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Southern Baptist leaders will decide the fate of congregations with women pastors​

June 11, 20238:00 AM ET
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Southern Baptist leaders are in New Orleans for their annual meeting. On the agenda this year, whether to uphold the expulsion of congregations that have women pastors.
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AYESHA RASCOE, HOST:
Southern Baptists are gathering in New Orleans for their annual meeting. The largest Protestant denomination in the U.S. faces disputes over women serving as pastors and fallout from sexual abuse within its ranks. Joining us is NPR religion correspondent Jason DeRose. Thank you for being with us.
JASON DEROSE, BYLINE: Good morning.
RASCOE: Let's start with women pastors. What's driving that issue?
DEROSE: Well, earlier this year, the Southern Baptist Convention expelled several congregations in which women serve as pastors. Now, the denomination has a strict rule - women cannot be senior or lead pastors. And that's because they believe that the Bible prohibits women from teaching men and having authority over them. And a few of the churches expelled do have senior pastors who are women, in violation of church rules. And at least one of those congregations is appealing its removal. And that appeal is being considered during the meeting.
RASCOE: What about women who are pastors but not the head of the congregation? Is that allowed?
DEROSE: Well, a number of Southern Baptist congregations, in fact, employ women who perform all sorts of ministry, but they're not senior pastors. For instance, they could be the education pastor who oversees Sunday school - lots of women in that position. They may teach boys and girls and other women, but they may not teach men. And those congregations say that this work is all done under the leadership and authority of a senior male pastor. So they argue it's permissible. That's the situation at a well-known church, Saddleback Church in Southern California. That megachurch has a woman who serves as a teaching pastor, and it was also expelled from the Southern Baptist Convention earlier this year. And it's also appealing that decision.
RASCOE: There's also the issue of sexual abuse that has been uncovered in the Southern Baptist Convention. What's the latest on how it's being addressed?
DEROSE: Well, you'll remember that last year the church's sexual abuse task force released a very strongly worded report that detailed how Southern Baptists had mishandled sex abuse claims and mistreated victims. During this meeting, the church will hear a report about what it's done since then. It's developing a database of abusive clergy, so if a congregation wants to hire someone, it would be able to see if there were allegations of misconduct elsewhere. The task force is also creating a toolkit for how to handle abuse - say, how best to report it to the civil authorities, how to conduct an internal investigation, how best to care for the victims. And keep in mind, Ayesha, that parts of this church are under investigation by the U.S. Justice Department because of the way it handled earlier sexual misconduct. And all of this is happening at the same time as an election to decide the next president of the Southern Baptist Convention. The incumbent is facing a challenger for the office.

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SBC to Take up Issue of Women Pastors at 2023 Annual Conference​

More than 12,000 local church representatives, known as messengers, will gather in New Orleans, ready to do their denomination's business.​



Bob Smietana June 13, 2023




(RNS) — Membership in the Southern Baptist Convention’s constituent churches has been plummeting, its national leaders are feuding or quitting, and any good work the denomination could boast about has been largely overshadowed by a sex abuse crisis.
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Messengers vote during the SBC annual meeting in Anaheim, California, in June 2022 / RNS photo by Justin L. Stewart
Just this week, one of the SBC’s major seminaries announced that its leaders had run up $140 million in deficits over the past two decades, depleting the school’s reserve and leaving it in an ongoing financial crisis.
Alongside these existential challenges, Southern Baptists, like other Americans, have indulged in the nation’s ongoing “woke wars,” in which discussion of policy governing race, education and other issues quickly devolves into a shouting match, especially on social media.
All these factors threaten to erode the SBC’s so-called “rope of sand” — bonds of trust, rather than official hierarchy or legal ownership, that bind together the 40,000 churches and 13 million members of the nation’s largest Protestant denomination.
Yet most of the denomination’s adversity will be overshadowed during the SBC’s annual meeting in New Orleans this week by a slow-simmering debate that has heated up among Baptists over the past few years: What should be done about the handful of women who serve as pastors at SBC churches?
During the opening day of the SBC’s annual meeting, which runs June 13-14, thousands of local church delegates, known as messengers, will consider appeals from a pair of congregations that have been expelled for employing women as pastors, which conflicts with the denomination’s statement of faith. The messengers are also expected to debate a proposed constitutional amendment that would make it clear that churches with women pastors cannot be part of the SBC.
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The SBC Executive Committee voted Monday (June 12) to approve placing the amendment before the messengers, or delegates, during this year’s meeting. But they also noted their opposition to changing the constitution to address the debate, with some members saying during the meeting that the faith statement is the place for such doctrinal issues.
“While the messengers to the 2022 SBC Annual Meeting entrusted the Executive Committee with this motion, we recognize the significance of the matter, at this given time, and therefore believe it is prudent to place the referred motion before the entire body of messengers,” the committee stated, “while also expressing our opposition to the suggested amendment to SBC Constitution Article III.”
FernAt stake at the meeting is not only the role of women in the church, but a broader question about how closely a church needs to identify overall with the Baptist Faith & Message to remain “in friendly cooperation” with the convention.
Southern Baptists have long argued over the role of women in the church. In 1885, a group of Virginia women showed up at the annual meeting as messengers. Baptist leaders admitted that no rule barred their presence but barred them anyway, then changed the rules so that only “brethren” were allowed. The rules were later changed back.
In 2000, the statement of faith was updated to hold that men and women are “gifted for service in the church” but restricts the office of pastor to men alone. Some believe that means women cannot do any of the things that male pastors do — lead a church, preach during worship services or oversee both men and women. Others say that only the office of senior pastor of a church is limited to men.
Yet for decades, women served as missionaries, teaching and sometimes preaching. In the 1960s, women began to serve as SBC pastors, with their number growing to at least several hundred by the 1980s. That changed after the so-called Conservative Resurgence took over the convention and drove off more moderate Baptists who supported women pastors. Other women pastors left on their own.
 
No women priests in the Catholic church, however, the RCC doesn't allow men to become nuns either.

So it all evens out.

The SBC should maybe consider establishing a nunhood for the gals to give them an option too.
 
Faith in only men can lead you?
Making changes in the church to appeal to a wider constituency. Believing in equal opportunity. The Bible says the way is narrow. Changes in doctrine should be seldom made, if at all. Religion is not a popularity contest nor should it be. Personally, whether or not to allow women as church leaders should be up to each denomination. Those that disagree are free to leave and maintain a more traditional branch.
 
Making changes in the church to appeal to a wider constituency. Believing in equal opportunity. The Bible says the way is narrow. Changes in doctrine should be seldom made, if at all. Religion is not a popularity contest nor should it be. Personally, whether or not to allow women as church leaders should be up to each denomination. Those that disagree are free to leave and maintain a more traditional branch.

The purpose of religion is to get the word of god to the people
Doesnt matter who the messenger is
 
The purpose of religion is to get the word of god to the people
Doesnt matter who the messenger is
That's where the controversy is. What's the Word of God? Is it equality? Is it changing to be more popular? Is the Word an admonishing to be modern. If a denomination believes this is the Word of God they have an obligation to change and adapt. Those that find this self serving nonsense must follow a more traditional form of practice.
 

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