Son wins US lawsuit against parents who threw out his porn collection

[Turtlesoup]

People are getting too hung up on it being porn. If it would have been his coin collection, would you still feel they had a right to throw it out?

If they told him to get it out of their home? YEP..........

 

[JoeB131]

If he was doing something illegal, that's what happens to you. You "met" a guy, and like all criminals, he was innocent too, huh.

No, he just didn't do anything that was that serious, other than look at pictures the government put out on the internet.

 

[Rigby5]

People are getting too hung up on it being porn. If it would have been his coin collection, would you still feel they had a right to throw it out?

If they told him to get it out of their home? YEP..........

Would you let landlords have that authority over renters?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

No, he just didn't do anything that was that serious, other than look at pictures the government put out on the internet.

Funny, I never ran across such pictures. Do you know why? Because I'm not looking for them. Could you find child porn on the internet? I couldn't. I'm sure Google couldn't find it. These people know where to go and how to find these filthy sites. It's kind of like a private club or something where this information is exchanged.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

People are getting too hung up on it being porn. If it would have been his coin collection, would you still feel they had a right to throw it out?

If they told him to get it out of their home? YEP..........

Now that I seen that video, I'm more convinced than ever the parents had the right to throw it out. I thought they threw it out while he was living there. He moved out, they told him to take his trash collection with him and he didn't, so they got rid of it. How hard is it to move a dozen boxes, especially if you know they are upsetting your parents; the people who took you in when you needed them the most? You go to Penske, rent a truck large enough to take your belongings, and you move everything to your new location. This guy brought this on himself.

 

[airplanemechanic]

People are getting too hung up on it being porn. If it would have been his coin collection, would you still feel they had a right to throw it out?

If they told him to get it out of their home? YEP..........

Nope. Judge agrees with me.

You wrong bro.

 

[JoeB131]

Funny, I never ran across such pictures. Do you know why? Because I'm not looking for them. Could you find child porn on the internet? I couldn't. I'm sure Google couldn't find it. These people know where to go and how to find these filthy sites. It's kind of like a private club or something where this information is exchanged.

Actually, the site Pornhub had to just clear itself of a lot of this kind of material that someone downloaded. They had to put in a whole new policy of only getting content from "verified" users. The problem is Pornhub has millions of videos and only a few dozen people screening it all... when they actually care.

Now that I seen that video, I'm more convinced than ever the parents had the right to throw it out. I thought they threw it out while he was living there. He moved out, they told him to take his trash collection with him and he didn't, so they got rid of it. How hard is it to move a dozen boxes, especially if you know they are upsetting your parents; the people who took you in when you needed them the most? You go to Penske, rent a truck large enough to take your belongings, and you move everything to your new location. This guy brought this on himself.

Morally, I don't have a problem, but legally, his parents were in the wrong. He paid them rent. That makes them responsible for his property while he is the process of moving.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Actually, the site Pornhub had to just clear itself of a lot of this kind of material that someone downloaded. They had to put in a whole new policy of only getting content from "verified" users. The problem is Pornhub has millions of videos and only a few dozen people screening it all... when they actually care.

Then were are the charges against the company? They had videos of young women; no proof any of them were underage.

Morally, I don't have a problem, but legally, his parents were in the wrong. He paid them rent. That makes them responsible for his property while he is the process of moving.

No they don't. The law is that when the rent is exhausted, that property is yours to do with. You don't even know if he was paying rent. But as a landlord for nearly 30 years, trust me, that case will get overturned by an appeal judge. This judge was completely wrong. Probably a liberal judge I'd bet too. When my tenants move out and they left stuff behind, I have every legal right to discard it.

 

[JoeB131]

Then were are the charges against the company? They had videos of young women; no proof any of them were underage.

Actually, they had proof that not only were some of these women underage, some of them were victims of sexual abuse... Pornhub ignored this for years until Mastercard and Visa stopped processing payment until they cleaned up their act.

Backpage was allowed to operate for years, until it was finally cracked down on. (Not that this was a good thing, it actually needed to be better regulated, not shut down.)

No they don't. The law is that when the rent is exhausted, that property is yours to do with. You don't even know if he was paying rent. But as a landlord for nearly 30 years, trust me, that case will get overturned by an appeal judge. This judge was completely wrong. Probably a liberal judge I'd bet too. When my tenants move out and they left stuff behind, I have every legal right to discard it.

They didn't throw it away because it was in the way, they threw it away because they disapproved of it. They willfully destroyed what they knew was his property.

That's why they got a judgement against them. Now, yeah, frankly, suing your own parents is kind of sleezy...but you know what, they raised him. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would need $29,000 worth of porn and sex toys....

 

[Rigby5]

Actually, the site Pornhub had to just clear itself of a lot of this kind of material that someone downloaded. They had to put in a whole new policy of only getting content from "verified" users. The problem is Pornhub has millions of videos and only a few dozen people screening it all... when they actually care.

Then were are the charges against the company? They had videos of young women; no proof any of them were underage.

Morally, I don't have a problem, but legally, his parents were in the wrong. He paid them rent. That makes them responsible for his property while he is the process of moving.

No they don't. The law is that when the rent is exhausted, that property is yours to do with. You don't even know if he was paying rent. But as a landlord for nearly 30 years, trust me, that case will get overturned by an appeal judge. This judge was completely wrong. Probably a liberal judge I'd bet too. When my tenants move out and they left stuff behind, I have every legal right to discard it.

I am a land lord, and I can assure you that when the rent is exhausted and way past due, the renters property is not at all yours to do with.
You have to go to court, and then you have to hire the government to move the property for you, depending on the state.
And even then it can take over 6 months to get a tenant's property out of your rental property, depending on the state.
You can clean up trash after a renter has moved out, but you can't touch property you know the renters want, without a court order.

 

[Pogo]

Then were are the charges against the company? They had videos of young women; no proof any of them were underage.

Actually, they had proof that not only were some of these women underage, some of them were victims of sexual abuse... Pornhub ignored this for years until Mastercard and Visa stopped processing payment until they cleaned up their act.

Backpage was allowed to operate for years, until it was finally cracked down on. (Not that this was a good thing, it actually needed to be better regulated, not shut down.)

No they don't. The law is that when the rent is exhausted, that property is yours to do with. You don't even know if he was paying rent. But as a landlord for nearly 30 years, trust me, that case will get overturned by an appeal judge. This judge was completely wrong. Probably a liberal judge I'd bet too. When my tenants move out and they left stuff behind, I have every legal right to discard it.

They didn't throw it away because it was in the way, they threw it away because they disapproved of it. They willfully destroyed what they knew was his property.

That's why they got a judgement against them. Now, yeah, frankly, suing your own parents is kind of sleezy...but you know what, they raised him. Frankly, I don't know why anyone would need $29,000 worth of porn and sex toys....

Nothing in the little info we have indicates whether they "disapproved", OR that they knew he wanted it. Considering how old it must have been, judging from the media form it was in, it smells more like something that had been sitting there for decades. More likely is that he learned that it had been discarded and used that as an opportunity to gouge his parents, the antique porn itself being secondary.

 

[Canon Shooter]

When I was a little kid, I used to spend every dine I had on baseball cards. One day, Mom got sick of it and, one day, the cards were just gone.

There were some valuable ones in there, including a Tom Seaver All Star Rookie card and a Thurman Munson All Star Rookie card. I still give Mom shit about it from time to time, but in a good natured way.

I'd never dream of suing her over it...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I am a land lord, and I can assure you that when the rent is exhausted and way past due, the renters property is not at all yours to do with.
You have to go to court, and then you have to hire the government to move the property for you, depending on the state.
And even then it can take over 6 months to get a tenant's property out of your rental property, depending on the state.
You can clean up trash after a renter has moved out, but you can't touch property you know the renters want, without a court order.

Correct, it depends on the state. Somebody already posted a link on this that has a map in it. My state of Ohio and Michigan have no landlord obligations to preserve leftover property. By the advice of my attorney, if they are no longer paying rent on that unit, they have no case against you when you throw their stuff out. As for states that do have laws against that, then I imagine landlords have the right to sue their previous tenants if they keep stuff there past the last rental date. I can't keep a unit unoccupied until they get rid of their stuff. Empty units are a big expense for me and most landlords. That unit needs to be empty, I usually have to do work in their like paint, maintenance, and I have no place to store stuff.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I am happy to see that we are now having long serious discussions about matters of real civic importance!

I look forward to more such normal discussions ... now that Trump is leaving the Whitehouse and will hopefully no longer dominate our thoughts....

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When I was a little kid, I used to spend every dine I had on baseball cards. One day, Mom got sick of it and, one day, the cards were just gone.

There were some valuable ones in there, including a Tom Seaver All Star Rookie card and a Thurman Munson All Star Rookie card. I still give Mom shit about it from time to time, but in a good natured way.

I'd never dream of suing her over it...

You are probably correct. My nephew buys and sells baseball cards on the side for a hobby and extra money. He said last year he made over $30,000.

When I was a child I used to buy Archie and Jughead comic books. A few years after I got my first apartment, my mother asked me if I wanted those boxes of comic books. Young and not thinking ahead, I told her to throw them away. What was I going to do with them? When I got older, I went on E-bay, and vintage Archie and Jughead comic books in mint condition (which mine were) were selling for $75.00. I kicked myself.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nothing in the little info we have indicates whether they "disapproved", OR that they knew he wanted it. Considering how old it must have been, judging from the media form it was in, it smells more like something that had been sitting there for decades. More likely is that he learned that it had been discarded and used that as an opportunity to gouge his parents, the antique porn itself being secondary.

Pogo, Progressive Hunter posted a video on this story that gives much more information. It's post #151. It's pretty good.

 

[Pogo]

I appreciate that video because it answers a lot of unanswered questions we had. It also tells me I'm not the only person with weird sense of humor to post a story like this.

The statute he stated has nothing to do with this case and he won't owe three times the value, attorneys fees or anything like that. His claim is that the judge viewed it from a legal perspective as a landlord/ tenant situation. Now I've been a landlord going on 30 years. Mind you I'm a few states away from Michigan, but our law here in Ohio is that if any of my tenants vacate a rental unit, that unit is turned back to my possession. It's my property, and anything in it is my property unless I worked out some sort of deal with my former tenant, or he pays me rent for the amount of time his property is in that unit. I am under no legal obligation to store belongings of my past tenants by law. You don't take it with you, you're not paying rent to have it stored here, it's up to me what I wish to do with it. I can throw it out. I can sell it. I can give it to the Salvation Army or various other charitable organization, and even get a tax credit depending on it's value.

If this judge orders the parents to pay this goof for his stupid porn collection, I would appeal that immediately.

Actually your state borders Michigan, either that or I know some roads you don't....

I've just watched the video, considerably more detail filled in. I guess my question at this point is why are the parents considered "landlords"... rather than parents? It's quite a stretch to imagine they would have done the same thing with the property of an actual unrelated tenant. Unless the case can be made that they would, seems to me they were acting as parents, not landlords. That's how I would argue it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I appreciate that video because it answers a lot of unanswered questions we had. It also tells me I'm not the only person with weird sense of humor to post a story like this.

The statute he stated has nothing to do with this case and he won't owe three times the value, attorneys fees or anything like that. His claim is that the judge viewed it from a legal perspective as a landlord/ tenant situation. Now I've been a landlord going on 30 years. Mind you I'm a few states away from Michigan, but our law here in Ohio is that if any of my tenants vacate a rental unit, that unit is turned back to my possession. It's my property, and anything in it is my property unless I worked out some sort of deal with my former tenant, or he pays me rent for the amount of time his property is in that unit. I am under no legal obligation to store belongings of my past tenants by law. You don't take it with you, you're not paying rent to have it stored here, it's up to me what I wish to do with it. I can throw it out. I can sell it. I can give it to the Salvation Army or various other charitable organization, and even get a tax credit depending on it's value.

If this judge orders the parents to pay this goof for his stupid porn collection, I would appeal that immediately.

Actually your state borders Michigan, either that or I know some roads you don't....

I've just watched the video, considerably more detail filled in. I guess my question at this point is why are the parents considered "landlords"... rather than parents? It's quite a stretch to imagine they would have done the same thing with the property of an actual unrelated tenant. Unless the case can be made that they would, seems to me they were acting as parents, not landlords. That's how I would argue it.

I think this judge is just a goofball. To be considered a landlord you really need a rental agreement which I'm sure they didn't have. The parents asked him to take this stuff with him when he moved, and he didn't. Why is he asking his father to help him move the porn? This guy was in his early 40's so his parents are likely in their 60's or later. It was 12 boxes of this stuff. When I was in my early 40's, I could move a few hundred boxes of stuff.

 

[Pogo]

I appreciate that video because it answers a lot of unanswered questions we had. It also tells me I'm not the only person with weird sense of humor to post a story like this.

The statute he stated has nothing to do with this case and he won't owe three times the value, attorneys fees or anything like that. His claim is that the judge viewed it from a legal perspective as a landlord/ tenant situation. Now I've been a landlord going on 30 years. Mind you I'm a few states away from Michigan, but our law here in Ohio is that if any of my tenants vacate a rental unit, that unit is turned back to my possession. It's my property, and anything in it is my property unless I worked out some sort of deal with my former tenant, or he pays me rent for the amount of time his property is in that unit. I am under no legal obligation to store belongings of my past tenants by law. You don't take it with you, you're not paying rent to have it stored here, it's up to me what I wish to do with it. I can throw it out. I can sell it. I can give it to the Salvation Army or various other charitable organization, and even get a tax credit depending on it's value.

If this judge orders the parents to pay this goof for his stupid porn collection, I would appeal that immediately.

Actually your state borders Michigan, either that or I know some roads you don't....

I've just watched the video, considerably more detail filled in. I guess my question at this point is why are the parents considered "landlords"... rather than parents? It's quite a stretch to imagine they would have done the same thing with the property of an actual unrelated tenant. Unless the case can be made that they would, seems to me they were acting as parents, not landlords. That's how I would argue it.

I think this judge is just a goofball. To be considered a landlord you really need a rental agreement which I'm sure they didn't have. The parents asked him to take this stuff with him when he moved, and he didn't. Why is he asking his father to help him move the porn? This guy was in his early 40's so his parents are likely in their 60's or later. It was 12 boxes of this stuff. When I was in my early 40's, I could move a few hundred boxes of stuff.

Yeah that doesn't add up --- he could move everything else but "needed help" with the pornboxes? Why?

FFS I move a whole piano into a house by myself, including unloading off the truck, and I was considerably older than 42. I get the sense there's all kinds of undercurrent power trips going on here which, again, would be typical of parent/child dynamics and not of landlord/tenant ones.

 

[JoeB131]

When I was a little kid, I used to spend every dine I had on baseball cards. One day, Mom got sick of it and, one day, the cards were just gone.

There were some valuable ones in there, including a Tom Seaver All Star Rookie card and a Thurman Munson All Star Rookie card. I still give Mom shit about it from time to time, but in a good natured way.

I'd never dream of suing her over it...

Sounds like you have a good relationship.

This guy obviously doesn't have a good relationship with his parents. This isn't throwing out a box of baseball cards, this is 14 boxes of personal property.