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[Hollybaere]

Er, is the "West Bank" mentioned in the Hebrew Bible? How about the Christian Bible?
How about the Quran?

No, No and No.

The correct historic geographical name of the land is Judea and Samaria, which Jordan changed to theWest Bank after they illegally seized the land in 1948.

Judea and Samaria is sovereign Israeli land under the terms of the binding Palestine Mandate establishing all of "Palestine" as the Jewish National Home.

Thus, Pallies are illegal aliens who must be deported back to Arabia or wherever.

So you are actually admitting that Palestine existed BEFORE this so-called "mandate". And that Palestinian's inhabited the land BEFORE the Jews arrived.

If the "correct historic geographical name of the land is Judea and Samaria", I am certain that you can show us some documentation to this "fact"? All the maps I've seen, show the land being called Palestine.

and here: THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY

Which ACTUALLY means that the Israeli's are illegal aliens and land grabbers, and should be deported back to where they came from.

 

[Marc39]

Er, is the "West Bank" mentioned in the Hebrew Bible? How about the Christian Bible?
How about the Quran?

No, No and No.

The correct historic geographical name of the land is Judea and Samaria, which Jordan changed to theWest Bank after they illegally seized the land in 1948.

Judea and Samaria is sovereign Israeli land under the terms of the binding Palestine Mandate establishing all of "Palestine" as the Jewish National Home.

Thus, Pallies are illegal aliens who must be deported back to Arabia or wherever.

So you are actually admitting that Palestine existed BEFORE this so-called "mandate". And that Palestinian's inhabited the land BEFORE the Jews arrived.

The correct historical geographic name of the land is Canaan and Judah, from which "Jewish" is derived.

Jews lived in Canaan/Judah at least 3200 years ago, verified by the archaeological record.

Arabs first began calling themselves Palestinians in 1967, hardly ancient history.

"Palestine" was a European invention created by the Romans [Palaestina] 1500 years after Jews lived there and 500 years before Muzzie intruders invaded

Palestine was based on the Philistines, ancient enemies of the Jews who were Aegean, not Semitic.

For this reason, there is not one reference to "Palestine" in the Hebrew Bible, Christian Bible, Quran or ANY ancient historical document or archaeolgical finding.

Read, learn....

Emiinent Middle East Historian Bernard Lewis...

Official Roman usage of the name Palestine to designate the area of the former Jewish kingdom seems to date from after the Jewish risings and their suppression. The Emperor Hadrian made a determined attempt to stamp out the embers not only of the revolt but of Jewish nationhood and statehood.


It would seem that the name Judaea was abolished at the same time as Jerusalem and the country renamed Palestina or Syria-Palestina with the same intention to obliterate its historic Jewish identity.

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[Marc39]

Which ACTUALLY means that the Israeli's are illegal aliens and land grabbers, and should be deported back to where they came from.

The facts say otherwise.

Jews lived in "Palestine" in at least 1300 BCE, corroborated by the archaeological record.

Muzzie intruders didn't invade "Palestine" until 636 CE.

Jews lived in "Palestine" 2000 years before Muzzies.

Jews ruled in "Palestine" for 500 years.

Pallies have NEVER ruled in "Palestine"

In fact, there has NEVER been a country of "Palestine" ruled by Pallies.

In fact, half of Jewish history had unfolded before the pedophile Mahomet was even hatched.

Thus, you're demolished.

 

[Marc39]

whatreallyhappened.com

By the way, your website is BOGUS.

I use scholarly sources, such as Bernard Lewis, the foremost Middle East historian.

You'll never even come close to being able to debate me by using discredited sources.

I'll just squish you like a bug.

 

[P F Tinmore]

whatreallyhappened.com

By the way, your website is BOGUS.

I use scholarly sources, such as Bernard Lewis, the foremost Middle East historian.

You'll never even come close to being able to debate me by using discredited sources.

I'll just squish you like a bug.

Discredited by whom?

 

[Marc39]

whatreallyhappened.com

By the way, your website is BOGUS.

I use scholarly sources, such as Bernard Lewis, the foremost Middle East historian.

You'll never even come close to being able to debate me by using discredited sources.

I'll just squish you like a bug.

Discredited by whom?

discredited by me'em.

Bernard Lewis is a scholarly source. Yours, not so much.

When it comes to Islamic studies, Bernard Lewis is the father of us all. With brilliance, integrity, and extraordinary mastery of languages and sources, he has led the way for Jewish and Christian investigators seeking to understand the Muslim world."--National Review

"No scholar of Islam in the Western world has more thoroughly earned the respect of generalists and academics alike than Bernard Lewis."--Baltimore Sun

Bernard Lewis is our greatest authority on the world of Islam and has followed his recent series of best-selling books with this gathering of fifty-one essays from the past fifty-one years. And an enjoyable, as well as an enlightening, collection it turns out to be.' -- Hazhir Tiemourian

Bernard Lewis's scholarship is prodigious....He avoids dogmatic positions himself and sees dogma as something to be analyzed. It is this sense of nuance, of historical setting, of honesty to texts, that informs the essays in Islam and the West."--The New York Review of Books

"Professor Lewis never fails in respect for the culture he has illuminated so brilliantly...this is a book for everyone interested in the contemporary evolution of the Islamic world"
Middle East International

"A compelling book. Bernard Lewis, one of our most distinguished historians throws a floodlight on that cruel divide between the West and the societies of Islam. Learned and urgent at the same time." --Fouad Ajami, The Johns Hopkins University

Bernard Lewis demonstrates breadth and depth of scholarship and an ability to communicate with both specialists and nonspecialists."--Journal of Ecumenical Studies

Bernard Lewis is arguably the West's most distinguished scholar on the Middle East."--Newsweek

Bernard Lewis's academic credentials are impeccable... the collection of essays, articles, reviews, lectures and contributions to encyclopaedias gives a glimpse of his towering scholarship.' -- Michael Binyon THE TIMES

There is probably no scholar alive today who can equal Bernard Lewis' breadth of knowledge of the Muslim past...a book that anyone who is interested in the Middle East will consult with profit"
F.H. Stewart, New Middle East

Bernard Lewis brings to this work not only his superb technical competence as a historian and mastery of the requisite Near Eastern and European languages but also an underlying humanism which raises his scholarship above a purely academic level. For this reason this book should be read by anyone who is interested in the Middle East, past and present"---CHOICE

 

[Marc39]

"Bernard Lewis has done us all--Muslim and non-Muslim alike--a remarkable service.... The book's great strength, and its claim upon our attention, [is that] it offers a long view in the midst of so much short-term and confusing punditry on television, in the op-ed pages, on campuses and in strategic studies think tanks." --Paul Kennedy, The New York Times Book Review

As this collection of writings and speeches from the last 40 years demonstrates once again, Bernard Lewis is probably the world's most erudite scholar of the Middle East. The pieces cover virtually all aspects of the region--from medieval Turkish history to the roots of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and everything in between. Food for thought abounds.... Reflects the thinking of a profound mind."--Publishers Weekly

The press of world events has transformed Bernard Lewis into the most public sort of intellectual, well into the emeritus phase of his scholarly career. Chris Lehmann, The Washington Post

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bernard Lewis discredited this site?

Got a link?

 

[Marc39]

Bernard Lewis discredited this site?

Got a link?

You need far more than a link. You need an education.

Too bad you dropped out of high school.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Bernard Lewis discredited this site?

Got a link?

You need far more than a link. You need an education. I went to Princeton Univ.

Too bad you dropped out of high school.

You should get a refund.

 

[Marc39]

Bernard Lewis discredited this site?

Got a link?

You need far more than a link. You need an education. I went to Princeton Univ.

Too bad you dropped out of high school.

You should get a refund.

Coming from an uneducated twit incapable of even accumulating one reputational point in an internet chat room.

Everyone must be so proud of you, Tin Head. Take a bow.

 

[docmauser1]

So you are actually admitting that Palestine existed BEFORE this so-called "mandate".

Why? Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Palaestina after defeating a jovish uprising of 132-135 AD.

And that Palestinian's inhabited the land BEFORE the Jews arrived.

That's a funny madrasa joke, indeed.

 

[Marc39]

So you are actually admitting that Palestine existed BEFORE this so-called "mandate".

Why? Roman Emperor Hadrian renamed Judea to Palaestina after defeating a jovish uprising of 132-135 AD.

And that Palestinian's inhabited the land BEFORE the Jews arrived.

That's a funny madrasa joke, indeed.

Although Hadrian changed the name of the land from Judah to "Palaestina," a Latin word, not an Arabic or Semitic word, Judah remained the official name of the land nevertheless.

Hadrian also changed Jerusalem to "Aelia Capitolina," another Latin name, and intended to make Jerusalem a Roman city.

 

[Intense]

Pallies are residents of...Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, etc.

Pallies are not residents of Israel. They have no rights.

Now, you know.

The OP is specifically referring to residents of the West Bank.

My biggest criticism concerning Islam as a Whole, is Reform. Specifically the recognition of Unalienable Rights of those They share the planet with. That includes Free Speech, Equal Protection, and Freedom of Religion. Conversion is not worthy of the death penalty. People are not Property, slavery should not be condoned anywhere on the Planet.

Marc, You can't both live your life in hate and in faith at the same time.

Islam is an inherently fascist ideology that does not permit free thought. Islam is Arabic for submit. Those "slaves of allah" voluntarily relinquish basic freedoms and rights and are ruled by shariah law that forbids such human rights and civil liberties.

For this reason, there is not one democracy in the Muslim world

We know that. We also that if reform is genuine, it will start with Muslim's living outside the Muslim Controlled World.

 

[Marc39]

The OP is specifically referring to residents of the West Bank.

My biggest criticism concerning Islam as a Whole, is Reform. Specifically the recognition of Unalienable Rights of those They share the planet with. That includes Free Speech, Equal Protection, and Freedom of Religion. Conversion is not worthy of the death penalty. People are not Property, slavery should not be condoned anywhere on the Planet.

Marc, You can't both live your life in hate and in faith at the same time.

Islam is an inherently fascist ideology that does not permit free thought. Islam is Arabic for submit. Those "slaves of allah" voluntarily relinquish basic freedoms and rights and are ruled by shariah law that forbids such human rights and civil liberties.

For this reason, there is not one democracy in the Muslim world

We know that. We also that if reform is genuine, it will start with Muslim's living outside the Muslim Controlled World.

Widespread reform in Islam is unlikely because most Muslims live in Islamic countries where there is no such concept as moderate Islam. There is only one flavor of Islam: Islam.

Moderate Islam is just a Westernized, secularized "feel good" version of Islam, but, such Muslims are not even Muslims in the eyes of Islam.

 

[Ropey]

All of my cousins have served in the Israeli army. I lost one at 19. One of my cousins accidentally drove a tank into an Arab woman's home, and she and her baby were terrified. Anyway, they were all leaders of men. My uncles served in the wars. Their solution for the problem is a demilitarized Palestine on the West Bank. (There was never a U.S.A. before 1776.)
Marc, what is your solution to the problem? We know who the Arabs are, and we know Mohammed was a pedophile. But what is your solution? Annexation? Should the Arabs on the West Bank be made citizens of Israel? Pretend you are Netanyahu and give an intelligent answer. Not a "shit-for-brains" type of thing. BTW, Ropey, who served in the wars, said Jerusalem should be negogiated. I would not go that far. What do you think? About the future, not the past.

One war only and that was enough. I did not say Jerusalem should be negotiated. I said it is on the table. Currently there is no one at any tables. Jerusalem will not be another bait to start negotiations. That's where the Arabians are as they want everything before negotiations and they can not even create a single voice for negotiations. Both Hamas and Fatah are not involved in anything but gaining money for speaking about negotiations.

I reiterate. Nothing is happening and there will be no negotiations when Hezbollah have twenty thousand troops in South Lebanon and bring Nejad to Israels border.

That's simply insanity. There is no solution with them there.

 

[Marc39]

All of my cousins have served in the Israeli army. I lost one at 19. One of my cousins accidentally drove a tank into an Arab woman's home, and she and her baby were terrified. Anyway, they were all leaders of men. My uncles served in the wars. Their solution for the problem is a demilitarized Palestine on the West Bank. (There was never a U.S.A. before 1776.)
Marc, what is your solution to the problem? We know who the Arabs are, and we know Mohammed was a pedophile. But what is your solution? Annexation? Should the Arabs on the West Bank be made citizens of Israel? Pretend you are Netanyahu and give an intelligent answer. Not a "shit-for-brains" type of thing. BTW, Ropey, who served in the wars, said Jerusalem should be negogiated. I would not go that far. What do you think? About the future, not the past.

One war only and that was enough. I did not say Jerusalem should be negotiated. I said it is on the table. Currently there is no one at any tables. Jerusalem will not be another bait to start negotiations. That's where the Arabians are as they want everything before negotiations and they can not even create a single voice for negotiations. Both Hamas and Fatah are not involved in anything but gaining money for speaking about negotiations.

I reiterate. Nothing is happening and there will be no negotiations when Hezbollah have twenty thousand troops in South Lebanon and bring Nejad to Israels border.

That's simply insanity. There is no solution with them there.

I heard Bibi said for the record Jerusalem is not on the table. As it should not be.

Let's divide Mecca and Medina.

 

[Intense]

Islam is an inherently fascist ideology that does not permit free thought. Islam is Arabic for submit. Those "slaves of allah" voluntarily relinquish basic freedoms and rights and are ruled by shariah law that forbids such human rights and civil liberties.

For this reason, there is not one democracy in the Muslim world

We know that. We also that if reform is genuine, it will start with Muslim's living outside the Muslim Controlled World.

Widespread reform in Islam is unlikely because most Muslims live in Islamic countries where there is no such concept as moderate Islam. There is only one flavor of Islam: Islam.

Moderate Islam is just a Westernized, secularized "feel good" version of Islam, but, such Muslims are not even Muslims in the eyes of Islam.

That may be true. It may also be true that we are fed what they think we want to hear. It may also be true that Reform is Real. It doesn't change much at this point. God is the Judge, not you, not I. We are all Human Beings first, created in His Image. It's too easy to forget that on all sides.

 

[Ropey]

All of my cousins have served in the Israeli army. I lost one at 19. One of my cousins accidentally drove a tank into an Arab woman's home, and she and her baby were terrified. Anyway, they were all leaders of men. My uncles served in the wars. Their solution for the problem is a demilitarized Palestine on the West Bank. (There was never a U.S.A. before 1776.)
Marc, what is your solution to the problem? We know who the Arabs are, and we know Mohammed was a pedophile. But what is your solution? Annexation? Should the Arabs on the West Bank be made citizens of Israel? Pretend you are Netanyahu and give an intelligent answer. Not a "shit-for-brains" type of thing. BTW, Ropey, who served in the wars, said Jerusalem should be negogiated. I would not go that far. What do you think? About the future, not the past.

One war only and that was enough. I did not say Jerusalem should be negotiated. I said it is on the table. Currently there is no one at any tables. Jerusalem will not be another bait to start negotiations. That's where the Arabians are as they want everything before negotiations and they can not even create a single voice for negotiations. Both Hamas and Fatah are not involved in anything but gaining money for speaking about negotiations.

I reiterate. Nothing is happening and there will be no negotiations when Hezbollah have twenty thousand troops in South Lebanon and bring Nejad to Israels border.

That's simply insanity. There is no solution with them there.

I heard Bibi said for the record Jerusalem is not on the table. As it should not be.

Let's divide Mecca and Medina.

Bibi says a lot of things. He's not going to be the one negotiating. We're years away from even getting to a table.

With Hezbollah there at the South Border, there is no Israeli that will even think of a table other than to speak of it.

We have our own three noes.

 

[Marc39]

One war only and that was enough. I did not say Jerusalem should be negotiated. I said it is on the table. Currently there is no one at any tables. Jerusalem will not be another bait to start negotiations. That's where the Arabians are as they want everything before negotiations and they can not even create a single voice for negotiations. Both Hamas and Fatah are not involved in anything but gaining money for speaking about negotiations.

I reiterate. Nothing is happening and there will be no negotiations when Hezbollah have twenty thousand troops in South Lebanon and bring Nejad to Israels border.

That's simply insanity. There is no solution with them there.

I heard Bibi said for the record Jerusalem is not on the table. As it should not be.

Let's divide Mecca and Medina.

Bibi says a lot of things. He's not going to be the one negotiating. We're years away from even getting to a table.

With Hezbollah there at the South Border, there is no Israeli that will even think of a table other than to speak of it.

We have our own three noes.

Bibi putting his foot down against dividing Jerusalem, rightfully so, will simply take the matter off the table.

End of story.

If Pallies don't like it, let them move back to Mecca