Soldiers have a "Duty to Refuse" illegal orders

[PeterPilot]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The Drug Cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and the Democrats are defending them.

 

[PeterPilot]

The Drug Cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and the Democrats are defending them.

So has Big Pharma and the Pentagon. What's your point?

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

So has Big Pharma and the Pentagon. What's your point?

The point is that the Democrat Party only has one real principle, power.

 

[PeterPilot]

The point is that the Democrat Party only has one real principle, power.

Judging by the historical record, the congressional record, what is the difference between Donkeys and Elephants?

Not very damn much. The Duopoly we are governed by is intellectually and morally bankrupt. For the last 50 years or more, we have been in perpetual war around the globe, with most of those wars being waged under the direction of our enemy, Israel.

 

[westwall]

Judging by the historical record, the congressional record, what is the difference between Donkeys and Elephants?

Not very damn much. The Duopoly we are governed by is intellectually and morally bankrupt. For the last 50 years or more, we have been in perpetual war around the globe, with most of those wars being waged under the direction of our enemy, Israel.

Judging by your posts, YOU are our enemy too.

 

[Care4all]

The Drug Cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and the Democrats are defending them.

The drug cartels are in Columbia, Peru and Bolivia.....these are mostly drug runners, lowest on the totem pole....Venezuela does not manufacture cocaine. Killing in cold blood the drug runners from Venezuela does not stop any drugs from reaching the USA. COLUMBIA has many other countries they are running drugs through, they won't skip a beat by any of this small stuff, and they haven't skipped a beat in getting cocaine in to the USA in 40 plus years.....no matter what we and others seem to do, to combat it.

Killing drug runners in the USA is not punishable by death. Killing drug producers and/or King pins in the USA or surrounding waters is not punishable by death, and not punishable in any manner without a trial and due process.

I'm obviously having a hard time with this...mainly because, Thou shall not kill.... And no due process...

 

[Manonthestreet]

NYT to WaPo: You Lied About Hegseth

NYT challenges WaPo's claims about Hegseth's missile strike orders. Read the investigation details.

pjmedia.com

 

[Rawley]

The drug cartels are in Columbia, Peru and Bolivia.....these are mostly drug runners, lowest on the totem pole....Venezuela does not manufacture cocaine. Killing in cold blood the drug runners from Venezuela does not stop any drugs from reaching the USA. COLUMBIA has many other countries they are running drugs through, they won't skip a beat by any of this small stuff, and they haven't skipped a beat in getting cocaine in to the USA in 40 plus years.....no matter what we and others seem to do, to combat it.

Killing drug runners in the USA is not punishable by death. Killing drug producers and/or King pins in the USA or surrounding waters is not punishable by death, and not punishable in any manner without a trial and due process.

I'm obviously having a hard time with this...mainly because, Thou shall not kill.... And no due process...

Again,

The 542 drone strikes that Obama authorized killed an estimated 3,797 people, including 324 civilians. As he reportedly told senior aides in 2011: “Turns out I’m really good at killing people. Didn’t know that was gonna be a strong suit of mine.”

Obama’s Final Drone Strike Data | Council on Foreign Relations

As Donald Trump assumes office today, he inherits a targeted killing program that has been the cornerstone of U.S. counterterrorism strategy over the past eight years. On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action: two...

www.cfr.org

 

[Manonthestreet]

 

[westwall]

The drug cartels are in Columbia, Peru and Bolivia.....these are mostly drug runners, lowest on the totem pole....Venezuela does not manufacture cocaine. Killing in cold blood the drug runners from Venezuela does not stop any drugs from reaching the USA. COLUMBIA has many other countries they are running drugs through, they won't skip a beat by any of this small stuff, and they haven't skipped a beat in getting cocaine in to the USA in 40 plus years.....no matter what we and others seem to do, to combat it.

Killing drug runners in the USA is not punishable by death. Killing drug producers and/or King pins in the USA or surrounding waters is not punishable by death, and not punishable in any manner without a trial and due process.

I'm obviously having a hard time with this...mainly because, Thou shall not kill.... And no due process...

Venezuela is the shipper, silly girl. All the drugs go to Venezuela, and are then shipped worldwide.

Try and keep up. You're remarkably ignorant about the drug trade. I suggest you read Swordfish, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, and if you wish to do a really deep dive The Underground Empire by James Mills.

 

[Eman623]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

Which orders are you referring to? Be specific.

 

[Care4all]

Venezuela is the shipper, silly girl. All the drugs go to Venezuela, and are then shipped worldwide.

Try and keep up. You're remarkably ignorant about the drug trade. I suggest you read Swordfish, The Politics of Heroin in Southeast Asia, and if you wish to do a really deep dive The Underground Empire by James Mills.

Venezuela is not alone, all the drugs don't go through them. A lot run through Venezuela to the Caribbean, go to Europe.

Again,

Obama’s Final Drone Strike Data | Council on Foreign Relations

As Donald Trump assumes office today, he inherits a targeted killing program that has been the cornerstone of U.S. counterterrorism strategy over the past eight years. On January 23, 2009, just three days into his presidency, President Obama authorized his first kinetic military action: two...

www.cfr.org

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths - BBC​

www.bbc.com › news › world-us-canada...
Mar 7, 2019 · There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, ...

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

An actual WAR vs. Not.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

Thank you for posting the link to that article.

Last week, a high-ranking Pentagon official who spoke to the Intercept on the condition of anonymity said that the strike in the Caribbean was a criminal attack on civilians and said that the Trump administration paved the way for it by firing the top legal authorities of the Army and the Air Force earlier this year.​

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“The U.S. is now directly targeting civilians. Drug traffickers may be criminals but they aren’t combatants,” the War Department official said. “When Trump fired the military’s top lawyers the rest saw the writing on the wall, and instead of being a critical firebreak they are now a rubber stamp complicit in this crime.”​

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

The Drug Cartels have killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and the Democrats are defending them.

And as IM2 pointed out just the other day, Trump et al has declared its latest war on drugs, allegedly to remove the scourge of drugs from our country after having just pardoned a Honduras drug trafficker, yet you all don't even blink at his duplicity.

They tell People that they must blow up the boats to stop drugs from coming into America, but pardon a drug trafficker.

 

[westwall]

Venezuela is not alone, all the drugs don't go through them. A lot run through Venezuela to the Caribbean, go to Europe.

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths - BBC​

www.bbc.com › news › world-us-canada...
Mar 7, 2019 · There have been 2,243 drone strikes in the first two years of the Trump presidency, compared with 1,878 in Mr Obama's eight years in office, ...

Fhttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47480207


An actual WAR vs. Not.

"Run through Venezuela to the Caribbean"

DURRRRRR

 

[Care4all]

"Run through Venezuela to the Caribbean"

DURRRRRR

Yeah, the Pacific Ocean is the main corridor route in to the USA by cocaine producing South American countries.... a lot in to Mexico first, then us. And a lot comes in through containers shipped to us...hidden with bananas and coffee and grapes and other South American produce....

Maybe spending more on Customs enforcement and newer detection technology at our port of entries would be money spent wiser than this daily reality tv show of killing peon people in small boats, 1500 miles away that are simply down on their luck ....looking to make a one time $500 bucks to save their family from starvation for a year.

This Venezuelan crap is fruitless, when it comes to affecting cocaine and fentanyl getting in to our country. And it hurts our Military, having to do this domestic type criminal enforcement crap, that they never signed up for....and get the bad rap for it.

The goal of this admin seems to be the Venezuelan Oil Reserves, the largest in the world!

 

[westwall]

Yeah, the Pacific Ocean is the main corridor route in to the USA by cocaine producing South American countries.... a lot in to Mexico first, then us. And a lot comes in through containers shipped to us...hidden with bananas and coffee and grapes and other South American produce....

Maybe spending more on Customs enforcement and newer detection technology at our port of entries would be money spent wiser than this daily reality tv show of killing peon people in small boats, 1500 miles away that are simply down on their luck ....looking to make a one time $500 bucks to save their family from starvation for a year.

This Venezuelan crap is fruitless, when it comes to affecting cocaine and fentanyl getting in to our country. And it hurts our Military, having to do this domestic type criminal enforcement crap, that they never signed up for....and get the bad rap for it.

The goal of this admin seems to be the Venezuelan Oil Reserves, the largest in the world!

A nice long winded screed that says nothing.

Your specialty.

 

[Conservative from Georgia]

This article contains references to US Military books regarding a duty to refuse illegal orders.

Soldiers Have ‘Duty To Refuse’ Hegseth’s Order To Commit War Crimes - LewRockwell

My post on Trump’s war on Venezuela two days ago mentioned a Washington Post report (archived) about a war crime directly ordered by U.S. Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: The longer the U.S. surveillance aircraft followed the boat, the more confident intelligence analysts watching from command...

www.lewrockwell.com

Will Hegseth and complicit sailors be charged?

My fellow conservatives think it’s a crime not to say which illegal orders have been issued.

 

[westwall]

My fellow conservatives think it’s a crime not to say which illegal orders have been issued.

You meant to say "your fellow marxists" because you fool no one.