Sodomy is still illegal in several states

[JGalt]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

 

[Skylar]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Those laws are constitutionally invalid. And any law that abrogates rights is invalid.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

And the premise of your thread fails as a consequence of your ignorance of the law.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[JGalt]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Those laws are constitutionally invalid. And any law that abrogates rights is invalid.

Then would you care to explain how it is that prostitution though federally illegal, is legal in certain states?

 

[JGalt]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

 

[HappyJoy]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Those laws are constitutionally invalid. And any law that abrogates rights is invalid.

Then would you care to explain how it is that prostitution though federally illegal, is legal in certain states?

Could you cite the specific federal laws?

 

[HappyJoy]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

 

[toxicmedia]

Any Judge, in almost any state would laugh a sodomy case out of court

 

[JGalt]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

 

[Skylar]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Those laws are constitutionally invalid. And any law that abrogates rights is invalid.

Then would you care to explain how it is that prostitution though federally illegal, is legal in certain states?

That's powers. Not rights. You're mixing them up. Rights trump powers. People have rights. States have powers.

States can extend freedoms beyond what is constitutionally recognized. But they can't restrict them below what is federally recognized. So a state can have its own bill of rights that recognizes far more rights than the federal constitution does. And many do with the Feds having nothing to say on the matter. But a state can't have a constitution that strips its citizens of rights below what the federal government recognizes as constitutionally guaranteed.

Whether or not a state criminalizes prostitution is a matter of state power. Not federally recognized right. As there is no federally recognized right to prostitution. So the States can make the choice themselves on whether or not its constitutional. Or even legal.

Lawerence v. Texas already overturned Sodomy laws, finding that such laws violate rights. Thus, any state sodomy law is constitutionally invalid. As rights trump powers.

 

[HappyJoy]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

Whether Texas removes sodomy laws or not, the highest court in the land ruled, Texas lost and that's why nobody in Texas is harassed or arrested over anal/oral sex. Sorry, bjs are legal.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

Wrong, the case voided all sodomy laws in every state and had you read the ruling you would know this. You are arguing about something you have no clue about.

 

[Skylar]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

Doesn't matter. Its unenforceable as its constitutionally invalid. Rights trump powers. And a law that abrogates rights isn't a law.

 

[HappyJoy]

This is neat, I didn't know Ayn Rand created a character that thought a little ass play should be illegal.

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

It does not matter if a state has a law on it books because the USSC has made those laws invalid when they ruled on the Texas case. Because Texas still has the law on the books does not make it legal, and would be tossed the moment it was brought into a court.

So as you attempt to argue about how a certain law may or may not be on the books the fact is the USSC ruling has made those laws invalid.

Now I am sure you will claim the USSC ruling is invalid and the state has the right to enforce those old and outdated laws, but the reality is against you...

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

And?

There are all manner of laws still on the books in scores of jurisdictions no longer enforced, some because they were invalidated by the courts.

Despite conservative rhetoric to the contrary, the courts have no authority to repeal laws, only render them invalid and unenforceable.

 

[JGalt]

We live in a country which guarantees us certain rights under a Constitution, every citizen of this country already has the same number of rights and is equally protected

However, when a person does something contrary to the laws of this country or the individual states, that person loses some of those rights. And sodomy is still illegal in some states.

So even though same-sex marriage advocates say they want the same rights everyone else, what they really want is a special government-protected privilege to break the law.

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

It does not matter if a state has a law on it books because the USSC has made those laws invalid when they ruled on the Texas case. Because Texas still has the law on the books does not make it legal, and would be tossed the moment it was brought into a court.

So as you attempt to argue about how a certain law may or may not be on the books the fact is the USSC ruling has made those laws invalid.

Now I am sure you will claim the USSC ruling is invalid and the state has the right to enforce those old and outdated laws, but the reality is against you...

What I'm saying here, if federal law takes precedence over state law, how is it states like Colorado can ignore the federal law against marijuana, Nevada can ignore the federal law against prostitution, and Arizona can ignore the current federal government's immigration policies?

 

[Skylar]

Sodomy laws were struck down by the Supreme Court already, and you should have known this.

It was a Texas case that made Sodomy laws invalid and if you need a link here it is:

Lawrence v. Texas - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

It does not matter if a state has a law on it books because the USSC has made those laws invalid when they ruled on the Texas case. Because Texas still has the law on the books does not make it legal, and would be tossed the moment it was brought into a court.

So as you attempt to argue about how a certain law may or may not be on the books the fact is the USSC ruling has made those laws invalid.

Now I am sure you will claim the USSC ruling is invalid and the state has the right to enforce those old and outdated laws, but the reality is against you...

What I'm saying here, if federal law takes precedence over state law, how is it states like Colorado can ignore the federal law against marijuana, Nevada can ignore the federal law against prostitution, and Arizona can ignore the current federal government's immigration policies?

This has already been explained to you. You're confusing powers and rights.

States can extend freedoms beyond what is constitutionally recognized. But they can't restrict them below what is federally recognized. So a state can have its own bill of rights that recognizes far more rights than the federal constitution does. And many do with the Feds having nothing to say on the matter. But a state can't have a constitution that strips its citizens of rights below what the federal government recognizes as constitutionally guaranteed.

Whether or not a state criminalizes prostitution is a matter of state power. Not federally recognized right. As there is no federally recognized right to prostitution. So the States can make the choice themselves on whether or not its constitutional. Or even legal.

Lawerence v. Texas already overturned Sodomy laws, finding that such laws violate rights. Thus, any state sodomy law is constitutionally invalid. As rights trump powers.

 

[JGalt]

That was Texas. There are still something like 13 states where it is illegal.

From the very top of the link:

"Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S.558 (2003) is a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court. In the 6–3 ruling the Court struck down the sodomy law in Texas and, by extension, invalidatedsodomy laws in 13 other states, making same-sex sexual activity legal in every U.S. state and territory. The Court overturned its previous ruling on the same issue "

Even though the SC ruled on it, Texas refused to remove the law from the books. There are a total of fourteen states where sodomy is a crime.

It does not matter if a state has a law on it books because the USSC has made those laws invalid when they ruled on the Texas case. Because Texas still has the law on the books does not make it legal, and would be tossed the moment it was brought into a court.

So as you attempt to argue about how a certain law may or may not be on the books the fact is the USSC ruling has made those laws invalid.

Now I am sure you will claim the USSC ruling is invalid and the state has the right to enforce those old and outdated laws, but the reality is against you...

What I'm saying here, if federal law takes precedence over state law, how is it states like Colorado can ignore the federal law against marijuana, Nevada can ignore the federal law against prostitution, and Arizona can ignore the current federal government's immigration policies?

This has already been explained to you. You're confusing powers and rights.

States can extend freedoms beyond what is constitutionally recognized. But they can't restrict them below what is federally recognized. So a state can have its own bill of rights that recognizes far more rights than the federal constitution does. And many do with the Feds having nothing to say on the matter. But a state can't have a constitution that strips its citizens of rights below what the federal government recognizes as constitutionally guaranteed.

Whether or not a state criminalizes prostitution is a matter of state power. Not federally recognized right. As there is no federally recognized right to prostitution. So the States can make the choice themselves on whether or not its constitutional. Or even legal.

Lawerence v. Texas already overturned Sodomy laws, finding that such laws violate rights. Thus, any state sodomy law is constitutionally invalid. As rights trump powers.

I'm pretty sure the state of Arizona would disagree with you, as they've taken it upon themselves to deport illegals, even though the DHS was directed to halt all deportations.

If you're saying Arizona is refusing to comply with federal statues, what's to stop those fourteen states where sodomy is a crime, from also ignoring federal law?

Whether those states enforce the sodomy laws or not, it is still a crime. So what the same-sex marriage advocates have won is not the same rights as everyone else, and not equality. They have won from the federal government, the permission to commit a crime.

I have no inclination to commit a crime, therefore you are not equal to me.