Socialized medicine does not work...

[Rustic]

The fact remains Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet, and that includes socialized medicine...

Neither has pure capitalism. Cuba tried that under Batista. Market forces were given free range (as were he and his cronies)...

And he was replaced by worse yet… Socialism/communism

 

[NYcarbineer]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

Where is socialized medicine not working?

 

[Rustic]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

Where is socialized medicine not working?

Everywhere it's been tried

 

[Andylusion]

The fact remains Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet, and that includes socialized medicine...

Neither has pure capitalism. Cuba tried that under Batista. Market forces were given free range (as were he and his cronies)...

The standard of living under Capitalist Cuba was on par with the US. Pure Capitalism, doesn't involve government giving monopoly powers and corruption. That is inherently socialism. The failures of the Batista government are socialist failures. Regardless the standard of living under country wide socialism, which replaced capitalism in Cuba, doomed them to a 3rd world standard of living, where most women used to work as prostitutes in order to have an income.

 

[Andylusion]

Your Knee hurts.

You could go to a local GP.
You could go to a local clinic.
You could go to an urgent care.
You could go to a hospital and make an appointment.
You could go to the ER.

Which do you do?

Well let's look at the incentives. Under a free health care system, the cost to you is equally nothing, no matter where you go.

Why would you go to a GP, when you could go to the ER, and get seen immediately, for no extra cost to you?

When Massachusetts enacted universal health care, the first thing that happened was wait times at the ER drastically increased. Nearly double the wait time of the national average.... of course the average include non-public hospitals that charge fees for usage.

This is unavoidable. This is why in many government run systems, you have no choice but to see a GP first, who must prescribe you going to a specialist, who must prescribe you going to a clinic, and so on.

It's a method of rationing the care.

Another example is, the doctor asks you how much it hurts, and you say.... 10 out of 10, so he gives you prescription for oxicodine. Does it really hurt that bad? Maybe you could deal with something less powerful?

But since the cost is the same to you, why not go for the best stuff you can?

I had a co-worker that said they made $500 a month off of selling extra oxicodine. When the doctor asked how much pain he was in... oh yeah massive pain. Of course medicaid was covering most of the cost. Great for the doctor, great for the druggies, and great for him. Bad for the country.

I'm not saying it doesn't have its problems. But nowhere near the problems the US system has. I've said this before, my wife got offered two jobs - one in Aust one in the US. It wasn't even close when we looked at the health premiums we'd have to pay. I wont' even go into how litigious your system is. I can think of 14 countries off the top of my head where I'd rather get sick than the US.

You are crazy. You have a better chance of being treated and healed in the US, than anywhere else in the world. There's a reason most of the world comes to the US for care. People from Canada come to the US for care. People from the UK come to the US for care. People from Australia come to the US for care.

Ironically, my parents just a few months ago, showed me pictures of a husband and wife who came to the US for care, for their child, because they were told Australia simply doesn't provide treatment for his illness. They flew all they way to the US, and spent tons of money they borrowed, to get care for their child.

How do I know this? MY parents church runs a ministry for hospitals, where they volunteer to meet with, hang out with, provide food for, and other services for people who fly to the US to get care, because often they have no one here to talk to, or have much money to live on.

If you fall down and break your arm, and need a splint... sure any health care system can do this. But if you need real life or death treatment, you have a better chance of survival here in the US, than anywhere else in the world.

Now don't get me wrong, Australia has very good care compared to the entire world... and it even has pretty good care compared to the US. Of course it's still very expensive compared to Europe, which is why it's that good.

But when you say there are dozens of places you would rather be than in the US health care system... crazy talk. You are comparing health care costs alone, without comparing how good the system actually is. They are not the same. They pay less, because they get less.

And the UK system specifically is in a critical nightmare state. If you think you get the same care, there, that you do here, then you are simply ignorant. I've been there. It's not the same. Not even close.

 

[Care4all]

We have the best healthcare money can buy...our cure rates would be even higher, if everyone could afford the country's best care or any care at all...those who can't, end up with stage 3 or 4 cancer before even diagnosed, and have less chances of survival.

 

[Dr Grump]

The fact remains Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet, and that includes socialized medicine...

Neither has pure capitalism. Cuba tried that under Batista. Market forces were given free range (as were he and his cronies)...

And he was replaced by worse yet… Socialism/communism

I disagree. The Cubans were dirty poor and continued to be so thanks to US sanctions. If the US hadn't done that it would be interesting to see where they would be now. In saying that, Castro wasn't a very nice guy.

 

[Dr Grump]

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You are crazy. You have a better chance of being treated and healed in the US, than anywhere else in the world. There's a reason most of the world comes to the US for care. People from Canada come to the US for care. People from the UK come to the US for care. People from Australia come to the US for care.

Ironically, my parents just a few months ago, showed me pictures of a husband and wife who came to the US for care, for their child, because they were told Australia simply doesn't provide treatment for his illness. They flew all they way to the US, and spent tons of money they borrowed, to get care for their child.

How do I know this? MY parents church runs a ministry for hospitals, where they volunteer to meet with, hang out with, provide food for, and other services for people who fly to the US to get care, because often they have no one here to talk to, or have much money to live on.

If you fall down and break your arm, and need a splint... sure any health care system can do this. But if you need real life or death treatment, you have a better chance of survival here in the US, than anywhere else in the world.

Now don't get me wrong, Australia has very good care compared to the entire world... and it even has pretty good care compared to the US. Of course it's still very expensive compared to Europe, which is why it's that good.

But when you say there are dozens of places you would rather be than in the US health care system... crazy talk. You are comparing health care costs alone, without comparing how good the system actually is. They are not the same. They pay less, because they get less.

And the UK system specifically is in a critical nightmare state. If you think you get the same care, there, that you do here, then you are simply ignorant. I've been there. It's not the same. Not even close.

Those survival rates are negligible at are always increasing. Yes, for very rare and specific diseases the US does have some very good outcomes. The UK care is not bad at all. I note that US citizens are always complaining about their system as we all are. However, the costs associated with your system are ridiculous. Give me ours any day...

 

[pwjohn]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

Single payer healthcare is an assurance that even deadbeats like you will have access to healthcare. When needed.

 

[Dr Grump]

The standard of living under Capitalist Cuba was on par with the US. Pure Capitalism, doesn't involve government giving monopoly powers and corruption. That is inherently socialism. The failures of the Batista government are socialist failures. Regardless the standard of living under country wide socialism, which replaced capitalism in Cuba, doomed them to a 3rd world standard of living, where most women used to work as prostitutes in order to have an income.

Total BS. For Batista and his cronies may be.
The rest of your post is supposition.

 

[Dr Grump]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

Where is socialized medicine not working?

Everywhere it's been tried

Tried and works in UK, NZ, Australia, Canada, Finland, Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Iceland....

 

[Rustic]

The fact remains Socialism has never worked long term in the history of the planet, and that includes socialized medicine...

Neither has pure capitalism. Cuba tried that under Batista. Market forces were given free range (as were he and his cronies)...

And he was replaced by worse yet… Socialism/communism

I disagree. The Cubans were dirty poor and continued to be so thanks to US sanctions. If the US hadn't done that it would be interesting to see where they would be now. In saying that, Castro wasn't a very nice guy.

He was an evil piece of shit... and socialism/communism was/is a joke

 

[Rustic]

It can't work, because the deadbeats will always abuse the system every time…

Single payer healthcare is an assurance that even deadbeats like you will have access to healthcare. When needed.

I pay for my own shit I don't expect anyone else to least of all the federal government…

 

[kiwiman127]

Millions that live in urban areas expecting something for nothing

Depends if they work or not...

The fact remains any sort of socialism socialist medicine happens to be dozens of people taking out as compared to only one to a few paying in. No socialist entitlement program has worked in the history of the United States… Long-term

Based on how many times you posted in only 16 months, you obviously don't have a job. Are you one of those parasites?

 

[Rustic]

Millions that live in urban areas expecting something for nothing

Depends if they work or not...

The fact remains any sort of socialism socialist medicine happens to be dozens of people taking out as compared to only one to a few paying in. No socialist entitlement program has worked in the history of the United States… Long-term

Based on how many times you posted in only 16 months, you obviously don't have a job. Are you one of those parasites?

Nope, self employed 20+ years...

 

[Norman]

Millions that live in urban areas expecting something for nothing

Depends if they work or not...

The fact remains any sort of socialism socialist medicine happens to be dozens of people taking out as compared to only one to a few paying in. No socialist entitlement program has worked in the history of the United States… Long-term

Wrong, the socialist programs have worked perfectly to generate non-ending stream of votes at the expense of everything else.

And that's the purpose, working as intended!

 

[Jantje_Smit]

The fact remains any sort of socialism socialist medicine happens to be dozens of people taking out as compared to only one to a few paying in. No socialist entitlement program has worked in the history of the United States… Long-term

Come on, the socialist entitlement program for too big too fail banks has been a great success for decades now

The real problem is that socialism for the common peasants won't do anything for wall street and their paid puppets in congress so why bother with it

 

[Toro]

There is no way It can work in the US... there are too many parasites in society

What do you call parasites?

Me? The insurance companies are the parasites...

These are the real parasites

A drug to treat muscular dystrophy will hit the U.S. market with a price tag of $89,000 a year despite being available for decades in Europe at a fraction of that cost.

Marathon Pharmaceuticals LLC’s pricing of the drug, which has been available in Europe, is the latest example of a business model that has drawn ire from doctors, patients and legislators in recent years: cheaply acquiring older drugs and then drastically raising their prices. ...

The price set by Marathon, based in Northbrook, Ill., is 50 to 70 times what most U.S. patients now pay to buy deflazacort from an online pharmacy in the United Kingdom, according to advocates for patients with Duchenne muscular dystrophy.​

Marathon Pharmaceuticals to Charge $89,000 for Muscular Dystrophy Drug After 70-Fold Increase

 

[2aguy]

And yet is does work in countries that have a mixture of both....hhhmmm...

No...it doesn't ....all of those countries...their healthcare systems are collapsing...Britain, France...all of the healthcare paradises....are on the verge of collapse as they spend more and more and get less and less....

 

[2aguy]

There is no way It can work in the US... there are too many parasites in society

What do you call parasites?

Me? The insurance companies are the parasites...

These are the real parasites

A drug to treat muscular dystrophy will hit the U.S. market with a price tag of $89,000 a year despite being available for decades in Europe at a fraction of that cost.

Marathon Pharmaceuticals LLC’s pricing of the drug, which has been available in Europe, is the latest example of a business model that has drawn ire from doctors, patients and legislators in recent years: cheaply acquiring older drugs and then drastically raising their prices. ...

The price set by Marathon, based in Northbrook, Ill., is 50 to 70 times what most U.S. patients now pay to buy deflazacort from an online pharmacy in the United Kingdom, according to advocates for patients with Duchenne muscular dystrophy.​

Marathon Pharmaceuticals to Charge $89,000 for Muscular Dystrophy Drug After 70-Fold Increase

Then you must be Trump supporter...since he has stated he wants to change that..right?