Yup. Look at what LBJ said about having the _______s voting Democrat for 200 years.
Socialism is more popular than Project 2025
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Even more. Where does the government get the MONEY to build the roads? Ultimately from people who either own businesses or employed by them - which is about 80% of all taxpayers.
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August West
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Marxist crap is not illegal in this country. Our Constitution does not dictate one system over another. Am I a Marxist for being a union member for 35 years?
SeaMajor7
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If you want Marxism as a fundamental form of governance to live under, SWIM TO CUBA, Wharf RAT!!!!!!!!!
Are we to believe you’re cutting and pasting from leftist addled NBC while you’re wearing a trendy Che Guevara tee shirt?
It’s always people like you, self-loathing leftists with no conception of the Marxist ideology you flail your Pom Poms for who are the first to praise your retrograde politico-religious ideology.
Marxism has never been prominent in the United States. During the War in Vietnam it was a minority persuasion among the peace movement.Not even remotely true.
SeaMajor7
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What is a Marxist? I believe that Karl Marx had two valid insights, and that he was mistaken about everything else. I see no value in the philosophy of Vladimir Lenin at all. Does that make me a Marxist.
As a cause and a philosophy socialism existed previous to Marxism. In the Communist Manifesto Marx criticized socialism.
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Preface to 1888 English Edition of the Communist Manifesto
Thus, in 1847, socialism was a middle-class movement, communism a working-class movement. Socialism was, on the Continent at least, ―respectable‖; communism was the very opposite...
In this way arose feudal Socialism: half lamentation, half lampoon; half an echo of the past...always ludicrous in its effect, through total incapacity to comprehend the march of modern history...
As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has Clerical Socialism with Feudal Socialism...
Christian Socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat...
Petty-Bourgeois Socialism...this form of Socialism...is both reactionary and Utopian...
German or “True” Socialism...While this ―True‖ Socialism thus served the government as a weapon for fighting the German bourgeoisie, it, at the same time, directly represented...a reactionary interest, the interest of German Philistines. I
Conservative or Bourgeois Socialism...It is summed up in the phrase: the bourgeois is a bourgeois – for the benefit of the working class...
Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism...
The significance of Critical-Utopian Socialism and Communism bears an inverse relation to historical development. In proportion as the modern class struggle develops and takes definite shape, this fantastic standing apart from the contest, these fantastic attacks on it, lose all practical value and all theoretical justification.
https://www.marxists.org/admin/book...unist Manifesto Marxists Internet Archive The
Those conflate socialism with Marxism know little about either.
SeaMajor7
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CrazyTrader55
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Bingo. NOT FAKE NEWS either leftists. LBJ said it, and it's on the record!
wamose
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You got it backwards, Qdog. Establishment elitists contribute money to Democrats and neocons. Why? Because that's what establishment elitists are, Democrats and neocons. They're like England was to the colonies. They are the warmongers, the deep state, the outsourcers, the open border freaks, the middle class tax raisers, the rights confiscators, the election fraudsters, the crooked media, the crooked education system, the insider traders and the deficit spenders who operate behind closed doors. They are the rotten part of our country that only a great man like Trump will be able to identify and irradicate. We're in trouble and Trump is the only fix. MAGATrump is the only one preaching Marist Ideas...
Trump has been pushing Elite Theory for months now...
Elite theory - Wikipedia
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"The theory posits that a small minority, consisting of members of the economic elite and policymaking networks, holds the most power—and that this power is independent of democratic elections.
Through positions in corporations and influence over policymaking networks, through the financial support of foundations or positions with think tanks, or policy-discussion groups, members of the "elite" exert significant power over corporate and government decisions. The basic characteristics of this theory are that power is concentrated, the elites are unified, the non-elites are diverse and powerless, elites' interests are unified due to common backgrounds, and positions and the defining characteristic of power is institutional position.[2] Elite theory opposes pluralism, a tradition that emphasizes how multiple major social groups and interests have an influence upon and various forms of representation within more powerful sets of rulers, contributing to representative political outcomes that reflect the collective needs of society."
So who do we think is pushing that this exists... This is the premise of Marxism... This is pushed by Trump & Co...
This is straight out of 'Animal Farm', Trump and Co are the Pigs and we are Boxer (the Horse)...
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This what happened to Boxer.
Marxism is “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs” - and it’s a sure-fire way to disincentive EVERYONE: the more capable and harder-working will figure, “why work so hard when it is taken from me?” and the less capable and minimally working will figure “why put forth the effort if I’m going to be given it anyway?”
Kamala has made remarks that she leans in this direction. She has said that some people need more, so you give it to them….and others have more, so they are able to provide it.
Fastest way to destroy a once-great country.
CrazyTrader55
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Marxism is a slow growing cancer. It's always been around, but in the shadows -- in Hollywood for sure - read Ronald Reagan's biography -- but now, it's out in the open. Hell, you have parades of Marxists in places like Philadelphia, and recently. It's not so slow growing any longer. A lot of people want it.
DGS49
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The World has lost its greatest and best proof of the folly of Socialism: the Soviet Union.
Socialism has always been an attractive concept for those with no life experience, mainly college students and people in The Arts. But a generation ago, when people started spouting that nonsense, you could say, "Look at the Soviet Union," which was an obvious, massive shit-show for all the world to see.
Today's generation does not have that illustration of socialism, and they are not much aware of how Communism/Socialism destroyed Cuba, North Korea, and a few other places, so they are vulnerable to socialist indoctrination, which mainly comes today from our college campuses. Also, they think that the prosperous European countries are thriving because of their socialist institutions, but this would be news to the people actually living there. My view is that they have been thriving up to now because they have no "diversity," a condition which is mightily threatened right now.
As for Project 2025, it is a 900+ page document that NOBODY has ever taken the time to read, but some brave soul should publish a "Cliff's Notes" on it, because it is GREAT. It explains why the Federal Government is fucked up, and what needs to happen to "right the ship," so to speak. It's logic is so compelling that even a Leftist would have to concede that most of it makes sense - if they were forced to read the fucking thing.
Top of the list, of course, is the elimination or neutering of the Federal Department of Education, whose very existence is unconstitutional.
Polling people on what they think about Project 2025 is absurd. All anyone knows about it is Leftist propaganda that they might have seen in a political ad - not paid for by any political candidate of campaign........riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Socialism has always been an attractive concept for those with no life experience, mainly college students and people in The Arts. But a generation ago, when people started spouting that nonsense, you could say, "Look at the Soviet Union," which was an obvious, massive shit-show for all the world to see.
Today's generation does not have that illustration of socialism, and they are not much aware of how Communism/Socialism destroyed Cuba, North Korea, and a few other places, so they are vulnerable to socialist indoctrination, which mainly comes today from our college campuses. Also, they think that the prosperous European countries are thriving because of their socialist institutions, but this would be news to the people actually living there. My view is that they have been thriving up to now because they have no "diversity," a condition which is mightily threatened right now.
As for Project 2025, it is a 900+ page document that NOBODY has ever taken the time to read, but some brave soul should publish a "Cliff's Notes" on it, because it is GREAT. It explains why the Federal Government is fucked up, and what needs to happen to "right the ship," so to speak. It's logic is so compelling that even a Leftist would have to concede that most of it makes sense - if they were forced to read the fucking thing.
Top of the list, of course, is the elimination or neutering of the Federal Department of Education, whose very existence is unconstitutional.
Polling people on what they think about Project 2025 is absurd. All anyone knows about it is Leftist propaganda that they might have seen in a political ad - not paid for by any political candidate of campaign........riiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Because capitalism is not working for most Americans, especially young Americans, socialism is becoming more important. I doubt that most Americans who like socialism have read Marx or know anything about Marxism.
CrazyTrader55
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It's not capitalism that failed - it's the government!
Perhaps if we hadn't opened up that border....perhaps if we hadn't stifled the free market -- perhaps if we hadn't run up 35 trillion of debt.... things would be different!
Socialism is a recipe for failure. When you try to “equitize” everyone, nobody has any incentive to make the most of their abilities, or to exercise discipline.
Lisa558, have you read anything by Karl Marx? I read some of his writings in college. I have read The Communist Manifesto several times. After college I took a fascinating seminar given by the American Communist Party on Das Kapital. I already owned all three volumes of Das Kapital printed in Moscow by Progress Publishers.
I know enough about Marxism to know that I am not a Marxist.
SeaMajor7
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