Socialism Always Leaves Things Worse Than It Found

[WaitingFor2020]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

And libraries! Trump has cut funding to libraries. He wants to keep his peeps stoooopid.

 

[Weatherman2020]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

And libraries! Trump has cut funding to libraries. He wants to keep his peeps stoooopid.

See, the left prove how stupid they are once again. It's like they try to outstupid themselves. They think local libraries should be funded by the Federal government.

Michael Moore can fund several hundred.

 

[Weatherman2020]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

Like a typical uneducated leftist, you think socialism is about funding police and fire departments.
Thanks for validating how ignorant the left are.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

They took farms away from white people to give them to blacks that weren't farmers. Where was the capitalism in that?

It was a different government.

Are you referring to post apartheid or something else?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

So from the socialists view point the US is 19th. That's way too high. We should be down around 100th.

 

[Timmy]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

Like a typical uneducated leftist, you think socialism is about funding police and fire departments.
Thanks for validating how ignorant the left are.

People have many definitions of what "socialism " is . Maybe these threads should start with the definition the op is thinking of .

 

[Weatherman2020]

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

Like a typical uneducated leftist, you think socialism is about funding police and fire departments.
Thanks for validating how ignorant the left are.

People have many definitions of what "socialism " is . Maybe these threads should start with the definition the op is thinking of .

That's because leftist universities teach bullshit definitions of what socialism is.
Like saying socialism is providing police and fire services.

 

[Weatherman2020]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

More leftard fake news bullshit.

Denmark's prime minister says Bernie Sanders is wrong to call his country socialist

Denmark's prime minister says Bernie Sanders is wrong to call his country socialist

 

[idb]

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

However, clearly not socialist countries, wouldn't you agree?

Socialism today has evolved into what I call "quasi-communism". This is an apt description for Ontario for instance. The new communism is borrow on the backs of future generations for todays trough.

The trough consists of massive swaths of sectors, industries and segments of the economy in which government has partial or outright control. This control can be exercized by ownership (classic definition) or, via barriers to free market competition. Regulations, covert police operations against foreign businesses, cronyism and handouts to friends and associates.

The countries I listed believe first and foremost that individual creativity and innovation best drive the economy. Maximum freedoms for citizen and little government intervention. In Canada's case, we violate human rights and business rights for state purposes, to hell with free markets because that would weaken the influence of the government. Something loyalists cannot allow to happen. There are many nations around the world doing the same, Canada has been riding their undeserved reputation as a capitalist nation for far too long, it is a fallacy which is quickly being exposed, especially in Toronto and Ontario more broadly.

You're right to a degree, but, any system is situated somewhere along a spectrum.
Total Socialism is just as damaging as total Capitalism (whatever those terms would look like).

 

[idb]

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

Like a typical uneducated leftist, you think socialism is about funding police and fire departments.
Thanks for validating how ignorant the left are.

People have many definitions of what "socialism " is . Maybe these threads should start with the definition the op is thinking of .

That's because leftist universities teach bullshit definitions of what socialism is.
Like saying socialism is providing police and fire services.

If you make up your own definitions you're bound to win your argument.
Congratulations winner!

 

[idb]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

They took farms away from white people to give them to blacks that weren't farmers. Where was the capitalism in that?

It was a different government.

Are you referring to post apartheid or something else?

Aren't you referring to Zimbabwe?

 

[imawhosure]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Do you consider Canada "socialist"?
If so, then you believe most EU countries are socialist?
In general, Canada & EU are countries that appear relatively successful in terms of their citizens' overall "happiness".

Overall happiness, or blissfully ignorant? Canadians are conditioned to accept their plight, to not be ambition or independent because the Nanny State will take care of them. In return, their individual rights have no meaning, you are beholden to the government for their benevolence...

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. You should just be happy you have a warm bowl of soup for dinner and your flu shots are paid for.

Furthermore there is no accountability or recourse, which is why I had to blow the whistle as I did. In America you can be born poor and succeed, you can immigrate to America with $5 in your pocket and become an independently wealthy and successful individual all based on your talents. This ideology runs contrary to socialists.

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

I'll agree that socialism in its pure form that destroys capitalism and stops people from going for their dreams is bad....

Now if you're comparing it to a mixed economy in which every society on earth that is first world has....Well, you're once again a fool.

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

"Socialism" is now as broad a term as "racism". It means almost anything.

That's what happens when too many people use hyperbole to describe things.
.

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

I challenge all you people who think SOCIALISM or a MIXED economy good to answer 1 question, with a caveat!

QUESTION----------> I see Sweden, Denmark, Canada, etc........all named here. So answer me this----------> Name ALL of us a country that STARTED out with SOCIALISM or BIG government that is now wealthy! Is it NOT TRUE that they turned towards these hybrids BECAUSE of wealth, and NOT because they wanted to become wealthy!

I urge ALL Capitalists to drive that question! Name a country of any size, that BECAME wealthy while using Socialism, or big government; one, just one! What REALLY happened was, they turned that way as they became wealthy, and are now in DECLINE; and as that happens, fight internally to return to what made them wealthy in the 1st place!

Really, this should be its own thread, but I know the leftists will let it fall because they won't be able to find one, lol. They NEED YOU to feed their socialist machine, and when you flee to greener pastures, they try and erect a financial wall to hold you hostage. They are so phony, so PRESS them, and watch them run, or ignore you-)

 

[Mac1958]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Do you consider Canada "socialist"?
If so, then you believe most EU countries are socialist?
In general, Canada & EU are countries that appear relatively successful in terms of their citizens' overall "happiness".

Overall happiness, or blissfully ignorant? Canadians are conditioned to accept their plight, to not be ambition or independent because the Nanny State will take care of them. In return, their individual rights have no meaning, you are beholden to the government for their benevolence...

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. You should just be happy you have a warm bowl of soup for dinner and your flu shots are paid for.

Furthermore there is no accountability or recourse, which is why I had to blow the whistle as I did. In America you can be born poor and succeed, you can immigrate to America with $5 in your pocket and become an independently wealthy and successful individual all based on your talents. This ideology runs contrary to socialists.

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

I'll agree that socialism in its pure form that destroys capitalism and stops people from going for their dreams is bad....

Now if you're comparing it to a mixed economy in which every society on earth that is first world has....Well, you're once again a fool.

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

"Socialism" is now as broad a term as "racism". It means almost anything.

That's what happens when too many people use hyperbole to describe things.
.

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

I challenge all you people who think SOCIALISM or a MIXED economy good to answer 1 question, with a caveat!

QUESTION----------> I see Sweden, Denmark, Canada, etc........all named here. So answer me this----------> Name ALL of us a country that STARTED out with SOCIALISM or BIG government that is now wealthy! Is it NOT TRUE that they turned towards these hybrids BECAUSE of wealth, and NOT because they wanted to become wealthy!

I urge ALL Capitalists to drive that question! Name a country of any size, that BECAME wealthy while using Socialism, or big government; one, just one! What REALLY happened was, they turned that way as they became wealthy, and are now in DECLINE; and as that happens, fight internally to return to what made them wealthy in the 1st place!

Really, this should be its own thread, but I know the leftists will let it fall because they won't be able to find one, lol. They NEED YOU to feed their socialist machine, and when you flee to greener pastures, they try and erect a financial wall to hold you hostage. They are so phony, so PRESS them, and watch them run, or ignore you-)

There will never be 100% capitalism. The government will always have a presence in the economy.

And as long as government does not have 100% control of all production and distribution, it's not pure socialism.

This is all a matter of degree, of finding the proper equilibrium.
.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

It's the perfect example of what not to do.

 

[Norman]

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Oil tankers?

Dude, these people haven't even got toilet paper. That makes socialism literally shit...

 

[imawhosure]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Do you consider Canada "socialist"?
If so, then you believe most EU countries are socialist?
In general, Canada & EU are countries that appear relatively successful in terms of their citizens' overall "happiness".

Overall happiness, or blissfully ignorant? Canadians are conditioned to accept their plight, to not be ambition or independent because the Nanny State will take care of them. In return, their individual rights have no meaning, you are beholden to the government for their benevolence...

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. You should just be happy you have a warm bowl of soup for dinner and your flu shots are paid for.

Furthermore there is no accountability or recourse, which is why I had to blow the whistle as I did. In America you can be born poor and succeed, you can immigrate to America with $5 in your pocket and become an independently wealthy and successful individual all based on your talents. This ideology runs contrary to socialists.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

I'll agree that socialism in its pure form that destroys capitalism and stops people from going for their dreams is bad....

Now if you're comparing it to a mixed economy in which every society on earth that is first world has....Well, you're once again a fool.

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

"Socialism" is now as broad a term as "racism". It means almost anything.

That's what happens when too many people use hyperbole to describe things.
.

There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

I challenge all you people who think SOCIALISM or a MIXED economy good to answer 1 question, with a caveat!

QUESTION----------> I see Sweden, Denmark, Canada, etc........all named here. So answer me this----------> Name ALL of us a country that STARTED out with SOCIALISM or BIG government that is now wealthy! Is it NOT TRUE that they turned towards these hybrids BECAUSE of wealth, and NOT because they wanted to become wealthy!

I urge ALL Capitalists to drive that question! Name a country of any size, that BECAME wealthy while using Socialism, or big government; one, just one! What REALLY happened was, they turned that way as they became wealthy, and are now in DECLINE; and as that happens, fight internally to return to what made them wealthy in the 1st place!

Really, this should be its own thread, but I know the leftists will let it fall because they won't be able to find one, lol. They NEED YOU to feed their socialist machine, and when you flee to greener pastures, they try and erect a financial wall to hold you hostage. They are so phony, so PRESS them, and watch them run, or ignore you-)

There will never be 100% capitalism. The government will always have a presence in the economy.

And as long as government does not have 100% control of all production and distribution, it's not pure socialism.

This is all a matter of degree, of finding the proper equilibrium.
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That does not answer the question Mac, of which wealthy country started out with Socialism or a huge government, and became wealthy by using those governmental edicts. The only countries that come even close if you consider them big governments or socialists, are the oil producing nations of the Middle East, and they are monarchy's.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

Like a typical uneducated leftist, you think socialism is about funding police and fire departments.
Thanks for validating how ignorant the left are.

People have many definitions of what "socialism " is . Maybe these threads should start with the definition the op is thinking of .

That's because leftist universities teach bullshit definitions of what socialism is.
Like saying socialism is providing police and fire services.

If you make up your own definitions you're bound to win your argument.
Congratulations winner!

You defending thinking socialism is about providing police and fire departments too!?

 

[idb]

Take it from a Canadian who has experienced the ugliest, abusive element of socialism, where the security apparatus cares little about a paper thin Charter of Rights and far more focused on centralized state powers and organization protection...it's an indefensible system. Thoroughly indefensible and an insult to the very soul of human existence.

To me a socialist is the person who was their entire life a low performer looking for an angle to exploit so they can live the high life while someone else does the heavy lifting. None worse than leaders who feel entitled to their bounty simply because of their station in life.

Do you consider Canada "socialist"?
If so, then you believe most EU countries are socialist?
In general, Canada & EU are countries that appear relatively successful in terms of their citizens' overall "happiness".

Overall happiness, or blissfully ignorant? Canadians are conditioned to accept their plight, to not be ambition or independent because the Nanny State will take care of them. In return, their individual rights have no meaning, you are beholden to the government for their benevolence...

I was born poor, graduated top of my class, was a top performer at a major corporation was and am as ambitious as anyone, a high performer my entire life in sports and academics. The security apparatus ruined my pursuits.

In Canada it's a caste system, you are born poor you will die poor the state assures this. You should just be happy you have a warm bowl of soup for dinner and your flu shots are paid for.

Furthermore there is no accountability or recourse, which is why I had to blow the whistle as I did. In America you can be born poor and succeed, you can immigrate to America with $5 in your pocket and become an independently wealthy and successful individual all based on your talents. This ideology runs contrary to socialists.

For the OP or anyone else, outside of the U.S. what countries do you consider to be the most successful and prosperous today? You can define success in any way you want. Just want to see who you consider to be running their country the right way.

America, Germany, Japan, South Korea off the top of my head, among others.

It comes down to individual rights, innovation, economic ambition and minimal intervention in the lives of citizens.

Are you aware of the level of "socialism" that is a part of those countries?

You are confusing social nets with socialism. Vast difference between a hand up and a hand out.

Of course, in all nations that practice socialism, those getting the largest handouts are state patsies and government "leaders".

I am not confusing anything, hence why I put socialism in quotes. What people call socialism in this country is far more abundant in those countries that you site as successful.

I'll agree that socialism in its pure form that destroys capitalism and stops people from going for their dreams is bad....

Now if you're comparing it to a mixed economy in which every society on earth that is first world has....Well, you're once again a fool.

What is it with the right's obsession with Venezuela?

Flashback: All Those People Who Praised Chavez’s Socialism

And?

Socialism is always fun to talk about, just to make you idiots dance for us.

I prefer pointing out your socialistic benefits like: infustructure, snow plows, police depts, firefighters etc. Then watching you dance.

"Socialism" is now as broad a term as "racism". It means almost anything.

That's what happens when too many people use hyperbole to describe things.
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There is absolutely nothing socialism doesn’t leave worse than it found, including the very oil tankers which (barely) keep Venezuela’s socialist regime afloat.

Venezuela’s crude-stained oil tankers.

In the scorching heat of the Caribbean Sea, workers in scuba suits scrub crude oil by hand from the hull of the Caspian Galaxy, a tanker so filthy it can’t set sail in international waters.

The vessel is among many that are constantly contaminated at two major export terminals where they load crude from Venezuela’s state-run oil company, PDVSA. The water here has an oily sheen from leaks in the rusty pipelines under the surface.

That means the tankers have to be cleaned before traveling to many foreign ports, which won’t admit crude-stained ships for fear of environmental damage to their harbors, port facilities or other vessels.

The laborious hand-cleaning operation is one of many causes of chronic delays for dozens of tankers that deliver Venezuela’s principle export to customers worldwide, according to three executives of the state-run firm, eight employees of maritime firms that contract with PDVSA and Thomson Reuters vessel-tracking data. Other reasons include delayed repairs and impoundments by service providers that are owed money by cash-strapped PDVSA.

Sad what has happened in Venezuela, but you are over-simplifying things in order to support your bias. These are the top socialist countries in the world:

• Denmark
• Finland
• Netherlands
• Canada
• Sweden
• Norway
• Ireland
• New Zealand
• Belgium

And these countries have the highest standard of living in the world.
The "Social Progress Index" collates the scores of three main indexes:

• Basic Human Needs, which includes medical care, sanitation, and shelter.
• Foundations of Wellbeing, which covers education, access to technology, and life expectancy.
• Opportunity, which looks at personal rights, freedom of choice, and general tolerance.

• Netherlands — 88.65. ...
• Norway — 88.70. ...
• Sweden — 88.80. " ...
• Switzerland — 88.87. ...
• Australia — 89.13. ...
• Denmark — 89.39. ...
• Canada — 89.49. ...
• Finland — 90.09. Everyone says Nordic nations have the highest standard of living, and now Finland has made it official.
• (The 19 countries with the highest standard of life)
• The U.S. came in 19th. And Trump will put us down somewhere to 25th.

So you see, you're just flat out wrong....again.

I challenge all you people who think SOCIALISM or a MIXED economy good to answer 1 question, with a caveat!

QUESTION----------> I see Sweden, Denmark, Canada, etc........all named here. So answer me this----------> Name ALL of us a country that STARTED out with SOCIALISM or BIG government that is now wealthy! Is it NOT TRUE that they turned towards these hybrids BECAUSE of wealth, and NOT because they wanted to become wealthy!

I urge ALL Capitalists to drive that question! Name a country of any size, that BECAME wealthy while using Socialism, or big government; one, just one! What REALLY happened was, they turned that way as they became wealthy, and are now in DECLINE; and as that happens, fight internally to return to what made them wealthy in the 1st place!

Really, this should be its own thread, but I know the leftists will let it fall because they won't be able to find one, lol. They NEED YOU to feed their socialist machine, and when you flee to greener pastures, they try and erect a financial wall to hold you hostage. They are so phony, so PRESS them, and watch them run, or ignore you-)

Many countries started out as monarchies.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

It's the end of the Progressive rainbow

Just special pleading. Capitalist South Africa fell in about three years under capitalism. Cuba is now re-enjoying trade relations.

They took farms away from white people to give them to blacks that weren't farmers. Where was the capitalism in that?

It was a different government.

Are you referring to post apartheid or something else?

Aren't you referring to Zimbabwe?

He said South Africa. Looking for some clarification here. Unless he found out he was talking out of his ass which means we will not get a reply.

 

[ScienceRocks]

South Korea
Japan
Germany
Britain
France
and the list goes on for about 100 plus more...

What you want is to remove government from everything as you're a anarchist and your world is a fantasy.