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Social Justice vs Equal justice

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Do we want a society based on the idea that all men are created equal and have the right to advance themselves under a set of rules and standards that create equal opportunity for all?

Equal justice:
This requires all individuals to have the capability to reason and apply their knowledge, ideas and skills to society in a manner that creates, for themselves, a satisfying environment.

Social justice:
This requires a society based on the idea that those who can reason and apply his knowledge, ideas and skills in a manner that creates a satisfying environment, for themselves, may do so but must yield the returns of their efforts to those who cannot or will not do the same; or must refrain from their endeavors if there is a perceived threat that it prevents others from applying their own knowledge, ideas and skills.

Please include comments as to what part and to what extent the federal government shoud involve itself in the process.

I realize that these statement are not universally applicable or not completely bulletproof. The basic ideas are there and I encourage posters to extrapolate.
 

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Do we want a society based on the idea that all men are created equal and have the right to advance themselves under a set of rules and standards that create equal opportunity for all?

Equal justice:
This requires all individuals to have the capability to reason and apply their knowledge, ideas and skills to society in a manner that creates, for themselves, a satisfying environment.

Social justice:
This requires a society based on the idea that those who can reason and apply his knowledge, ideas and skills in a manner that creates a satisfying environment, for themselves, may do so but must yield the returns of their efforts to those who cannot or will not do the same; or must refrain from their endeavors if there is a perceived threat that it prevents others from applying their own knowledge, ideas and skills.

Please include comments as to what part and to what extent the federal government shoud involve itself in the process.

I realize that these statement are not universally applicable or not completely bulletproof. The basic ideas are there and I encourage posters to extrapolate.

True justice is color blind. Unless you are a democrat.
 
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Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government. Thomas Jefferson called these inalienable rights: "...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."[21] For classical liberalism, rights are of a negative nature—rights that require that other individuals (and governments) refrain from interfering with individual liberty, whereas social liberalism (also called modern liberalism or welfare liberalism) holds that individuals have a right to be provided with certain benefits or services by others.[22] Unlike social liberals, classical liberals are "hostile to the welfare state."[17] They do not have an interest in material equality but only in "equality before the law".[23] Classical liberalism is critical of social liberalism and takes offense at group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights.[24]
 

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Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government. Thomas Jefferson called these inalienable rights: "...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."[21] For classical liberalism, rights are of a negative nature—rights that require that other individuals (and governments) refrain from interfering with individual liberty, whereas social liberalism (also called modern liberalism or welfare liberalism) holds that individuals have a right to be provided with certain benefits or services by others.[22] Unlike social liberals, classical liberals are "hostile to the welfare state."[17] They do not have an interest in material equality but only in "equality before the law".[23] Classical liberalism is critical of social liberalism and takes offense at group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights.[24]
The liberals of today are not classical liberals of Thomas Jefferson's day. They have been taken over by socialists.
 
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Classical liberalism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exist independently of government. Thomas Jefferson called these inalienable rights: "...rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add 'within the limits of the law', because law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual."[21] For classical liberalism, rights are of a negative nature—rights that require that other individuals (and governments) refrain from interfering with individual liberty, whereas social liberalism (also called modern liberalism or welfare liberalism) holds that individuals have a right to be provided with certain benefits or services by others.[22] Unlike social liberals, classical liberals are "hostile to the welfare state."[17] They do not have an interest in material equality but only in "equality before the law".[23] Classical liberalism is critical of social liberalism and takes offense at group rights being pursued at the expense of individual rights.[24]
The liberals of today are not classical liberals of Thomas Jefferson's day. They have been taken over by socialists.

Tell a Tea Partier that he is a classical liberal and see what reaction you get. <:^}
 

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Social justice is a moving target and if you poll 1000 people you're likely to get 100 different ideas about what it looks like.

Equal justice under the law is fairly easy to understand even though it can be terribly difficult to produce in a society like ours.

FWIW, I doubt we or any other society can ever achieve either kind of Justice, but I think its a damned good idea to keep BOTH as a goal.
 
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Social justice is a moving target and if you poll 1000 people you're likely to get 100 different ideas about what it looks like.

Equal justice under the law is fairly easy to understand even though it can be terribly difficult to produce in a society like ours.

FWIW, I doubt we or any other society can ever achieve either kind of Justice, but I think its a damned good idea to keep BOTH as a goal.

Keeping both as a goal is what is keeping the country divided, indecisive, and stagnant. The champions of each goal shout foul of the other each time anything is done.
 

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