So why is Obama insulting 96.5% of Americans...

[JakeStarkey]

Heteros and homos are opposed to NAMBLA, righty so.

If Katzndogz is concerned with bestiality, then he should visit Denmark. Such will never happen here.

 

[NYcarbineer]

How long has sex been legal in the U.S.?
That didn't send us down the slippery slope of legalizing rape.

How long have we allowed 18-year-olds to vote?
That didn't sending us spiraling down the path to allowing five-year-olds to vote.

Drawing the line between what is criminal and what harms no one is what laws do. It is absurd to oppose or favor a law because of what MAY come next.

So can we just move past the absurdities? Please?

Actually, I know that open abortion brought about the "gay" movement. Abortion says, "I want sex for fun without being responcible for a baby." Homosexuality says, "I want sex for fun because there is not responcibility with sex."

Acceptance of abortion probably had nothing at all to do with acceptance and normalizing homosexuality. The acceptance of groundless and convenient divorce had more to do with acceptance of homosexuality than abortion, even though both happened at about the same time. Had we not first devalued marriage, we wouldn't be considering same sex marriage now. The argument is "See what you did to marriage! We couldn't do worse."

Once homosexual relationships became acceptable, even as limited as that acceptability is, we began having situations like Harvard celebrating Incest Fest; Yale with it's beastiality workshop and numerous colleges offering credit courses in pornography. Slippery slope indeed. It's not something to be considered in the abstract, it is certainly in the here and now. To liberals, this is decency. Objecting, that's bigotry. Morality is totally objectionable and is to be eliminated at all and any costs.

We are not moving towards depravity and degeneracy, we are racing toward it. Fortunately cultures that get this bad seldom survive for long.

This from the poster who thinks laws against child labor are immoral.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Conservatives might well pay a heavy price at the polls, but it would be because the nation as a whole is moving toward depravity and degeneracy. Decency is not tolerated in such a toxic atmosphere.

Decency is in tolerance rather than the depravity and degeneracy of those who bash gays.

If decency is tolerance should we be more tolerant of rapists? Or does your call for tolerance have limits based on your moral judgements?

If homosexuality was by definition only rape you might have a point.

 

[konradv]

while courting 3.5% of Americans???

According to a Williams Institute review conducted in April 2011, approximately 3.5% of American adults identify themselves as lesbian, gay or bisexual, while 0.3% are transgender—which would correspond to approximately 11.7 million Americans as of the 2010 Census.
LGBT demographics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If Obama is so smart why other then campaign donations payback is this attention to gay issues?

He's not insulting me. Speak for yourself.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You think abortion will win an election? My guess is that it would be a hard sell, even in California.

Polls indicate that most Americans favor acess to abortions.
Do you still think marriage comes with a tax penalty?

I indicate no such thing, most Americans actually approve of restrictions on abortion.

Let me google that for you

A restricted access to abortion is by definition access to abortion.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What percent of Americans own an assault rifle?

 

[Harry Dresden]

The problem for conservatives is that the "God hates fags" crowd is losing influence. More people meet gays in their daily lives and do not consider them to be evil
More and more Americans look at it as an issue of fairness

It has nothing to do with God. Liberals must say so because the argument allows them to avoid the truth. The nation is becoming more depraved and degenerate daily. Common decency is now overtly religious and must be rejected as just more church doctrine.

The only objection to gays comes from the religious right. That is where the moral judgements come from. Most Americans are looking at homosexuality as something that causes no harm and think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person they love

What I find interesting is that as Homosexuals are openly accepted in America, the God Hates Fags faction are becoming social outcasts

i used to have that "gay Attitude" 20 years ago.....until i had a slew of them on my route and got to know them....they treated me better than many of the heteros.....and they were real nice folks....

 

[Clementine]

Conservatives underestimate the impact of the gay vote.
Gays may be 3.5% of the population, but they have family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who look at them and say .......He or she is a good person....why can't they marry the person they love?

Conservatives are coming off as petty and cruel on this issue and they will pay a price at the polls

The reality is that he's not really siding with a small minority against a majority. He is pandering to a growing number of government dependents who will toe the line and ignore their own principles in favor of having their EBT cards refilled. There are great examples of liberals on these boards who automatically agree, without thought, to anything Obama does or says even if it means flip flopping from the stance they supported last year or last week. If Obama contradicts himself, which he does often, they rush in to applaud his evolution.

It's all a game. If you're a liberal, you will agree with whatever talking point come out of the Daily KO or HuffnPuff. And you won't question anything, nor debate the finer points of any of Obama's policies. Just call names. Then the liberals have a giggle fit when Republicans argue amongst themselves. They are told it means the party is falling apart. Of course, they believe it because they have never been encouraged to have an original thought. People on the right will debate anyone they disagree with. They don't follow like blind sheep. It's another concept, like mainting gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny that goes over some peoples' heads.

 

[Harry Dresden]

The only objection to gays comes from the religious right. That is where the moral judgements come from. Most Americans are looking at homosexuality as something that causes no harm and think that Homosexuals should be allowed to marry the person they love

What I find interesting is that as Homosexuals are openly accepted in America, the God Hates Fags faction are becoming social outcasts

So why do gays hate NAMBLA?

Everyone hates NAMBLA

It is because they advocate harmful and illegal activities

What does it have to do with gays?

one would hope.....

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives underestimate the impact of the gay vote.
Gays may be 3.5% of the population, but they have family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who look at them and say .......He or she is a good person....why can't they marry the person they love?

Conservatives are coming off as petty and cruel on this issue and they will pay a price at the polls

The reality is that he's not really siding with a small minority against a majority. He is pandering to a growing number of government dependents who will toe the line and ignore their own principles in favor of having their EBT cards refilled. There are great examples of liberals on these boards who automatically agree, without thought, to anything Obama does or says even if it means flip flopping from the stance they supported last year or last week. If Obama contradicts himself, which he does often, they rush in to applaud his evolution.

It's all a game. If you're a liberal, you will agree with whatever talking point come out of the Daily KO or HuffnPuff. And you won't question anything, nor debate the finer points of any of Obama's policies. Just call names. Then the liberals have a giggle fit when Republicans argue amongst themselves. They are told it means the party is falling apart. Of course, they believe it because they have never been encouraged to have an original thought. People on the right will debate anyone they disagree with. They don't follow like blind sheep. It's another concept, like mainting gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny that goes over some peoples' heads.

WTF are you rambling about?

 

[Harry Dresden]

Conservatives underestimate the impact of the gay vote.
Gays may be 3.5% of the population, but they have family, friends, neighbors and coworkers who look at them and say .......He or she is a good person....why can't they marry the person they love?

Conservatives are coming off as petty and cruel on this issue and they will pay a price at the polls

The reality is that he's not really siding with a small minority against a majority. He is pandering to a growing number of government dependents who will toe the line and ignore their own principles in favor of having their EBT cards refilled. There are great examples of liberals on these boards who automatically agree, without thought, to anything Obama does or says even if it means flip flopping from the stance they supported last year or last week. If Obama contradicts himself, which he does often, they rush in to applaud his evolution.

It's all a game. If you're a liberal, you will agree with whatever talking point come out of the Daily KO or HuffnPuff. And you won't question anything, nor debate the finer points of any of Obama's policies. Just call names. Then the liberals have a giggle fit when Republicans argue amongst themselves. They are told it means the party is falling apart. Of course, they believe it because they have never been encouraged to have an original thought. People on the right will debate anyone they disagree with. They don't follow like blind sheep. It's another concept, like mainting gun rights, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny that goes over some peoples' heads.

WTF are you rambling about?

there are only a few left.....better hurry.........

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[Quantum Windbag]

Because gay people deserve equal treatment....

Doesn't matter what % of the population a group is, if they are being mistreated then the issue deserves the attention. It's really just that simple.

This is where you keep losing me. The simple truth is that tax laws are written in such a way that getting married actually has a negative impact on your taxes. That means that married people are treated unfairly because they have to pay higher taxes than two people who are not married. Yet, for some obscure reason, you want me to believe that not allowing people to be legally discriminated against treats them unfairly.

Want to run that one by your logic center again?

There are a thousand cash and prizes in the federal law which benefit married people, not just married tax returns. That you are ignorant of this suggests you either have a very bizarre case of selective awareness, or are being deliberately obtuse.

A thousand cash prizes? Really?

You should be able to name at least 10% of them.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Decency is in tolerance rather than the depravity and degeneracy of those who bash gays.

If decency is tolerance should we be more tolerant of rapists? Or does your call for tolerance have limits based on your moral judgements?

If homosexuality was by definition only rape you might have a point.

If I had ever said anything remotely like that you might have a point. Since I didn't, and have never actually spoken against any type of consensual sexual behavior, you just look like an idiot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Polls indicate that most Americans favor acess to abortions.
Do you still think marriage comes with a tax penalty?

I indicate no such thing, most Americans actually approve of restrictions on abortion.

Let me google that for you

A restricted access to abortion is by definition access to abortion.

Not according to the pro abortion crowd.

Still believe there is not tax penalty for marriage?

 

[NYcarbineer]

I indicate no such thing, most Americans actually approve of restrictions on abortion.

Let me google that for you

A restricted access to abortion is by definition access to abortion.

Not according to the pro abortion crowd.

Still believe there is not tax penalty for marriage?

Most Americans do not want Roe v Wade overturned. You are an idiot.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

A restricted access to abortion is by definition access to abortion.

Not according to the pro abortion crowd.

Still believe there is not tax penalty for marriage?

Most Americans do not want Roe v Wade overturned. You are an idiot.

Funny how you always get things wrong.

 

[rightwinger]

I indicate no such thing, most Americans actually approve of restrictions on abortion.

Let me google that for you

A restricted access to abortion is by definition access to abortion.

Not according to the pro abortion crowd.

Still believe there is not tax penalty for marriage?

When you are married you have the option of filing as a married couple or two singles. I always found filing as married was much cheaper

What is the tax penalty?

 

[Seawytch]

This is where you keep losing me. The simple truth is that tax laws are written in such a way that getting married actually has a negative impact on your taxes. That means that married people are treated unfairly because they have to pay higher taxes than two people who are not married. Yet, for some obscure reason, you want me to believe that not allowing people to be legally discriminated against treats them unfairly.

Want to run that one by your logic center again?

There are a thousand cash and prizes in the federal law which benefit married people, not just married tax returns. That you are ignorant of this suggests you either have a very bizarre case of selective awareness, or are being deliberately obtuse.

A thousand cash prizes? Really?

You should be able to name at least 10% of them.

Here's the entire list from the GAO...you can view at your leisure.

GAO-04-353R Defense of Marriage Act

Among them are:

Tax Benefits

• Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
• Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

Estate Planning Benefits

• Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
• Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
• Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
• Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.

Government Benefits

• Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
• Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
• Receiving public assistance benefits.
• Employment Benefits
• Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
• Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
• Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
• Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.

Medical Benefits

• Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
• Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
• Death Benefits
• Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
• Making burial or other final arrangements.

Family Benefits

• Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
• Applying for joint foster care rights.
• Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
• Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
• Housing Benefits
• Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
• Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

More at: Marriage Rights and Benefits. NOLO

 

[NYcarbineer]

Not according to the pro abortion crowd.

Still believe there is not tax penalty for marriage?

Most Americans do not want Roe v Wade overturned. You are an idiot.

Funny how you always get things wrong.

It's a fact. Look it up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who decided that 96.5% of Americans are opposed to same sex marriage?