So Why Doesn't John Thune Just End The Senate Filibuster Once And For All?

[22lcidw]

They don't have to agree to vote yes. What you said would work. "under those conditions, we will commit to the votes," is what Thune is asking for. You don't know this, because your media doesn't tell you stuff.

But . . . Thune wants to know which Senators would vote yes on the clean CR, if conditions are met. "Show me the votes."

He won't take Schumer's word for it, and I don't blame him.

But, I hope the Dems don't take the deal, and I hope the Reps don't end the filibuster. This is fun for everyone except Democrats.

Did you see how tired and frustrated Hakeem the Dream looked today? He's not even in the Senate, just dealing with the fallout from being the bulldog for the old white man in the Senate.

Sadly, the Progressives will savage the changes when they come to power again. The Republicans have no choice as most of the nation's power is controlled by Progressive Socialists although cracks have formed in their armor.

 

[j-mac]

Since when is a clean CR open to wish lists of spending? Pass the CR dems, THEN negotiate your wishes in an actual budget.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's not because Thune cares about preserving the quaint, racist Senate tradition of the filibuster. Please.

Thune also knows that Trump will probably steal future elections, so he is not really concerned about the Democrats regaining control of the Senate in the future, either.

Secretly, Thune knows the Big Ugly Bill is a disaster for the country and that ending the Obamacare subsidies will also be a disaster. He is hoping that Trump and Mike Johnson finally give in and negotiate a compromise with the Democrats. This is the real reason that Thune won't end the filibuster.

Why should he, this is so much better!

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Since when is a clean CR open to wish lists of spending? Pass the CR dems, THEN negotiate your wishes in an actual budget.

Trump and the Nazi Republican Party won't honor any negotiations....they've already proven that.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Why should he, this is so much better!

Not according to Trump and the Republican Party.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Sadly, the Progressives will savage the changes when they come to power again. The Republicans have no choice as most of the nation's power is controlled by Progressive Socialists although cracks have formed in their armor.

LOL. The Republican Party controls all 3 branches of government....and you say the "Progressive Socialists" have all the power.

What a ******* simp.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

He's also scoring points with those who want to fire as many people as possible. Gotta keep them happy, or they'll say he's a commie.

Thune has been one the bigger disappointments in this. I had him figured as a normal Republican.

All the normal Republicans died with John McCain.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Agreed in part, disagree in part. The politicians are on the TV, so ya, it is in the media.

Yes, I have to agree - in large part, but not completely. What Thune said was a big change from what he was saying before which was "we gave you a clean CR, sign it!" The media was slow to recognize the change, or unwilling to report it. I wouldn't know about it, except for that one interview I happened to watch on Youtube, because I try to watch all such interviews.

Below you offer a better idea than I've seen so far on this board, or from politicians. Let me say that before I drill down on it.

GOP: We want ensure no federal dollars are used for illegal aliens to provide health care outside of emergency care REQUIRED under Emergency Medical Treatment & Labor Act (EMTALA).

Correct.

DEM: We want to extend the ACA subsidies for the period of the BBB so that American citizens don't see huge premium increases or lose coverage.

Yes.

So given those positions you negotiate a deal where for each dollar a state spends on providing non-EMTALA care to illegals, federal dollars are reduced by 1. That means the state will be spending TWICE the cost ($1 State + $1 Federal).

Here we reach the first sticking point.

What do Democrats mean by "illegal aliens?" It isn't what Republicans mean.

Republicans mean anyone who crossed the border illegally or overstayed a visa, or entered with a fraudulent visa. Democrats do not accept the term "illegal alien" at all.* They are adamant that the millions of border jumpers to whom the Biden administration automatically gave assylum or TPS or parole, a ride in-country, and a virtual gift bag full of benefits are NOT "illegal aliens," or even "undocumented." They have "a legal status."

So, who in the world is an illegal alien that would trigger this dollar for dollar reduction?

Also, would not reducing the federal dollars to a state cause hospitals to close and all of the other horrors Democrats are predicting?

Still though, you offer a well thought out idea for something Democrats could ask for, in their quest to give taxfunded benefits to people who entered the country illegally. What would they offer to the Republicans in return?

That's none of his business, knowing the votes will be their is * * ALL * * he needs. As Majority Leader he can of course get a head count of HIS OWN party, but he has no such business making such demands from the other party.

Not in a vacuum, no. But he is offering something and putting the condition on it, which Schumer can take or leave.

And given the way that DEMs were told "Sit down and shut up", "There is a new sherriff in down", "We won, you lost, suck it" and how the DEMs were ignored during passage of the BBB and it being passed by a simply majority under reconsiliation...

Shumer has no reason to trust the GOP and vote now for a clean CR and we'll negotiate later.

WW

Okay.

So the shutdown will continue. Overall, it hurts and will start to really hurt, Democrats much more than Republicans. In the long run, it may help the Dems though. There are a certain percent of MAGA voters who are low-income and rely on federal benefits. MTG Republicans, I call them.

Those people will be ripe for the Dems to win back, if they drop the woke/DEI/anti-America planks of their platform.

 

[Seymour Flops]

All the normal Republicans died with John McCain.

The arms industry still has its flags at half-staff.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

The arms industry still has its flags at half-staff.

Have you seen the latest Defense budget? The arms industry forgot about John McCain about 2 hours after he died.

 

[WorldWatcher]

So the shutdown will continue.

We're not in a shut down. We are in a slow down.

75% of the federal government is working. Their pay may be delayed, but they are working. 25% are furloughed and will get back pay for not working.

There is a lot of talk of "firings" but so far its about 4,000 out of 3,000,000. Meaning 99.86666666666667 remain.

WW

 

[Seymour Flops]

We're not in a shut down. We are in a slow down.

Yes, yes, of course. I'm not going to put shutdown in quotes every time. Obviously the executive branch is spending as much as Trump likes.

75% of the federal government is working. Their pay may be delayed, but they are working. 25% are furloughed and will get back pay for not working.

There is a lot of talk of "firings" but so far its about 4,000 out of 3,000,000. Meaning 99.86666666666667 remain.

WW

Yes, the permanent layoffs will be a relatively small part of the federal workforce. I hope Dems use that as their campaign slogan in 2026.

 

[Billiejeens]

So please present your theory on why Thune hasn't ended the filibuster? That's the easiest way to end this shutdown.

Explain the process that you want Thune to use.

 

[j-mac]

Trump and the Nazi Republican Party won't honor any negotiations....they've already proven that.

Then this Schumer shutdown will be hung around your neck until you decide to do things by regular order....The gravy train is over.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Then this Schumer shutdown will be hung around your neck until you decide to do things by regular order....The gravy train is over.

Sure, simp.

Your Nazi Repug Party controls all 3 branches of government. They can end this shutdown any time they are ready.

Thune doesn't want to....he knows the Big Ugly Bill is a ******* disaster and doubling the price of Obamacare is a ******* disaster. And he knows the Republican Party will be blamed for the ensuing damage to American families.

 

[j-mac]

Sure, simp.

Look, I'm not going down your corrosive path...I am being civil with you, and I would appreciate the same in return...Thank you.

Your Nazi Repug Party controls all 3 branches of government. They can end this shutdown any time they are ready.

Now, you know that's dishonest Doc...The Republicans do have majority in all three branches, however, you also know that these majorities are slim, and that while Schumer argued on several occasions to pass CR's exactly like this one to avoid pain to the American people, he is now blocking this one solely because he is under attack from his left, and needs to save face...This is NOT the way to do it...pass the CR and get on with negotiations...

Thune doesn't want to....he knows the Big Ugly Bill is a ******* disaster and doubling the price of Obamacare is a ******* disaster. And he knows the Republican Party will be blamed for the ensuing damage to American families.

If so then so be it...Them's the breaks of governing...I would think that playing the long game would dictate that if what you're saying is true, then let it blow up all over them, it can only help your case....But, that's not what you're doing....

Democrats only have one way to try and exert power, and that is through performance bs like this shutdown over a filibuster...But, I am here to tell you, American's see through this crap...Vote the CR, open the government, then negotiate, otherwise you will continue to be blamed for the pain.

 

[Unkotare]

Sure, simp.

Your Nazi Repug Party controls all 3 branches of government. They can end this shutdown any time they are ready.

Thune doesn't want to....he knows the Big Ugly Bill is a ******* disaster and doubling the price of Obamacare is a ******* disaster. And he knows the Republican Party will be blamed for the ensuing damage to American families.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Look, I'm not going down your corrosive path...I am being civil with you, and I would appreciate the same in return...Thank you.

You are not honest....and I have no more patience for it. My mouth is vulgar, but your MAGA mind is far more vulgar.

Now, you know that's dishonest Doc...The Republicans do have majority in all three branches, however, you also know that these majorities are slim, and that while Schumer argued on several occasions to pass CR's exactly like this one to avoid pain to the American people, he is now blocking this one solely because he is under attack from his left, and needs to save face...This is NOT the way to do it...pass the CR and get on with negotiations...

It's completely honest. If Trump and the Republican Party cannot get all of their members to agree, then that is on them and no one else.

They have the majorities they need. They just need to get Thune to end the Senate filibuster and pass it. Thune doesn't want to...he doesn't want the Republican Party to permanently own this disaster. Thune is hoping that Trump and Johnson finally wise up and negotiate with the Democrats.

If so then so be it...Them's the breaks of governing...I would think that playing the long game would dictate that if what you're saying is true, then let it blow up all over them, it can only help your case....But, that's not what you're doing....

Democrats only have one way to try and exert power, and that is through performance bs like this shutdown over a filibuster...But, I am here to tell you, American's see through this crap...Vote the CR, open the government, then negotiate, otherwise you will continue to be blamed for the pain.

It's not performative for the Democrats....the doubling of Obamacare prices is no laughing matter. Millions of MAGA voters will suffer, too....which is why 57% of MAGA voters agree with the Democrats on this.

 

[Unkotare]

Trump and the Nazi Republican Party won't honor any negotiations....they've already proven that.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

How is calling Obama a "stuttering half-breed Muslim" not a racist statement? Why would you disagree with me criticizing that?

As I have told you repeatedly....you are a racist.