So What Qualifies As A Service Dog?

[Kruska]

Again it depends how autistic they are. As I told you before I know and am friends with somebody who is severely autistic that I've known since elementary school and she never has tantrums and runs off.

Because she never had a guide-dog who commandeered and shoved her around?

 

[Road Runner]

Hmm.., okay let's agree that a Beagle looks cute and is a CANINE - a dog is something else

I guess to each their own lol

Because she never had a guide-dog who commandeered and shoved her around?

Fair enough as she's only had cats before so I don't know how she is around dogs. She moved out of state a long time ago but when we used to hang out together we always went out and did things so she was never around my dogs so I couldn't tell you how she would react. The guy I'm with has Asperger's and that's just a form of advanced autism and he loves both cats and dogs.

 

[Kruska]

No. I have no intention to discuss whether a small dog is a rat or a cat. I leave idiocy like that to you.

Take your pick

 

[Road Runner]

Take your pick

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Yikes!! Age wasn't good to Stitch.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I never mentioned "trained to attack" - however an e.g. guide-dog is specifically trained to object aka. shove or commandeer a blind person so as to avoid a danger/accident. And an autistic person will in general not accept this - but will throw a tantrum and/or will run off.

Therefore in general, an autistic person is not compatible with a guide-dog.

You just don't know shit about guide dogs, do you?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Because she never had a guide-dog who commandeered and shoved her around?

They don't do that, moron!

 

[Kruska]

You just don't know shit about guide dogs, do you?

I doubt that - since my aunt had one, for more then 8 years.

As for your "shit", like my dog is a killing machine who will rip off ones arms - No mentally healthy dog behaves in such a way - it's only humans - aka shitheads in civilized countries, who train their private/family dog to act in such a manner.

Rural South-Africans and Rhodesia's used to (still have) dogs that upon whispering the word "Kaffer" went berserk, so don't try and lecture me about Dogs, military dogs or as to how these "family" dogs where trained.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I doubt that - since my aunt had one, for more then 8 years.

As for your "shit", like my dog is a killing machine who will rip off ones arms - No mentally healthy dog behaves in such a way - it's only humans - aka shitheads in civilized countries, who train their private/family dog to act in such a manner.

Rural South-Africans and Rhodesia's used to (still have) dogs that upon whispering the word "Kaffer" went berserk, so don't try and lecture me about Dogs, military dogs or as to how these "family" dogs where trained.

My dog is not trained to attack. He will do so out of protecting the ones he loves.

A guide dog for the blind leads the person. If they do not hold the lead handle, the dog can do little or nothing. You are confused.

 

[Kruska]

My dog is not trained to attack. He will do so out of protecting the ones he loves.

I see - so one can only pray that this dog of yours is always kept on a short leash.

He learned by himself, that your house and garden is only permitted to your family and friends - right?
He also learned by himself to notice the difference between an outsider handing your kid an ice-cream or having evil thoughts, or a by-passer being nice or evil - right?
He also learned by himself - who to bark at and not ? - or is he one of those dogs that rants and barks at anything?

You are describing a one-man dog - ultimately dangerous to the own family. and anyone else. And a dog the size you described, needs to be trained incl. when and how to attack!!

But anyhow, keep digging yourself into more dumb replies - you are great at it.

A guide dog for the blind leads the person. If they do not hold the lead handle, the dog can do little or nothing. You are confused.

No you are - since this discussion wasn't about a blind person being led by a guide aka blind-dog - but an AUTISTIC person being unsuitable for a blind-dog - since e.g. a Blind dog is trained to e.g. stop his master from moving over a curb, hitting into obstacles or crossing the road without a Zebra marking, incl. using physical force to achieve this, (which however does not permit for biting or overly aggressive force).

That is why there are specially trained Autistic dogs for Autistic people - and they do not enforce anything onto an autistic person due to known reasons (well not to you).

They are NOT allowed to refrain an Autistic person with physical force from running away and are trained to leave the scene if an autistic person suffers a meltdown - but are supposed to bark in order to get the parents to stop the kid from running away, aka calling for HUMAN - PARENTAL assistance.

That is why parents of an autistic child need to sign for FULL responsibility towards an autistic trained dog (well maybe not in the USA) - and only one of the parents is allowed to work full time - due to the dog maybe barking/calling for parental assistance.

Except for showing off your killer mauling dog - you don't seem to know much to anything about dogs.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I see - so one can only pray that this dog of yours is always kept on a short leash.

He learned by himself, that your house and garden is only permitted to your family and friends - right?
He also learned by himself to notice the difference between an outsider handing your kid an ice-cream or having evil thoughts, or a by-passer being nice or evil - right?
He also learned by himself - who to bark at and not ? - or is he one of those dogs that rants and barks at anything?

You are describing a one-man dog - ultimately dangerous to the own family. and anyone else. And a dog the size you described, needs to be trained incl. when and how to attack!!

But anyhow, keep digging yourself into more dumb replies - you are great at it.

No you are - since this discussion wasn't about a blind person being led by a guide aka blind-dog - but an AUTISTIC person being unsuitable for a blind-dog - since e.g. a Blind dog is trained to e.g. stop his master from moving over a curb, hitting into obstacles or crossing the road without a Zebra marking, incl. using physical force to achieve this, (which however does not permit for biting or overly aggressive force).

That is why there are specially trained Autistic dogs for Autistic people - and they do not enforce anything onto an autistic person due to known reasons (well not to you).

They are NOT allowed to refrain an Autistic person with physical force from running away and are trained to leave the scene if an autistic person suffers a meltdown - but are supposed to bark in order to get the parents to stop the kid from running away, aka calling for HUMAN - PARENTAL assistance.

That is why parents of an autistic child need to sign for FULL responsibility towards an autistic trained dog (well maybe not in the USA) - and only one of the parents is allowed to work full time - due to the dog maybe barking/calling for parental assistance.

Except for showing off your killer mauling dog - you don't seem to know much to anything about dogs.

Congratulations on having totally ridiculous and unrealistic expectations for dogs both trained and untrained. My dog responds to force with force. My kids are all grown and have large dogs of their own. My youngest has a professionally trained dog that looks like a hell hound but is just a big puppy. The only difference in her dog and my dog is that mine can open tin cans with his teeth.

I taught autistic kids for 21-years and never saw any behavior as you described. Perhaps you are also confused about what autistic means.

Anyway, good look in your endeavors and as long as you show no ill intent around dogs, you should be safe from most of them.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

For I know two autistic people and they never needed a service animal and one of them is severely autistic. This service animal thing is just looking for an excuse to take your pet with you on outings. I'm not saying that's what's happening here but in my experience autistic people don't need service animals.

‘We weren’t welcome’: Family says B.C. restaurant denied them entry due to service dog | Globalnews.ca

"He basically stated, 'Well, what was the disability for the dog?'" dad John Wynn said. "So I'm like, okay, well, that's none of your business."

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REAL service animals are identified with special collars or vests given to them by the organizations that trained them to be service animals.

And there ARE LAWS governing said service animals, REQUIRING them to wear these identifying vests and collars AT ALL TIMES when in public places.

So......if the animal someone has is NOT a legitimate service animal, they will NOT be wearing these special vests or collars.
And these people are users and abusers of these laws, as well as CRIMINALS.........for as far as I know, all states have HEALTH LAWS preventing live animals being allowed into stores that carry unpackaged food stuffs for humans, restaurants, fast food places, pharmacies, and human healthcare centers.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

There are two types of service animals. One, usually a dog, is trained to perform particular functions. They may alert to an impending seizure, guide the blind. Identify and bring medication. Open doors, retrieve objects for those in a wheelchair. Endless tasks. These are service animals.

Other animals do nothing. Their presence is security and provides a calming effect. These can be any animal as they do nothing. These are emotional support animals. Too many people confused the two.

Actually, there are other service animals that are legit. Including cats.
Dogs are just the most popular, as they are more easily trainable, and can be trained for security issues, if need be.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

What if somebody shows up with an emotional support monkey or chicken? Where do people draw the line?

Emotinal support animals are NOT the same as service animals. And fall under the area of pets, so they are not governed by protection laws like service animals are.

 

[Road Runner]

Actually, there are other service animals that are legit. Including cats.

How could a cat be a service animal? It can't really help you with much except getting you out of your loneliness.

 

[Dr.Destructo]

How could a cat be a service animal? It can't really help you with much except getting you out of your loneliness.

Cats are more service animals for people with potential problems for diseases. Cats can smell a heart attack coming, or low blood sugar, or other various types of maladies.

Humans can't smell these things, but apparently animals can, and cats can be trained to meow at their humans and paw them, letting them know they need to take their meds or go see a Dr. Stuff like that.

There are also cats that are trained on leashes for the blind. But dogs are usually better at that.

Other animals have other abilities to be service animals as well.