So what do republicans actually stand for?

[Crepitus]

Democrats don't have a set of clear cut goals at all.

Building a stronger economy
Universal affordable healthcare
Reforming the criminal justice system
Combating climate change
Protecting and strengthening our democracy
World class education for all

There's a huge list.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Building a stronger economy
Universal affordable healthcare
Reforming the criminal justice system
Combating climate change
Protecting and strengthening our democracy
World class education for all

There's a huge list.

"Building a stronger economy".... who has a policy of "building a weaker economy"????

Literally every politician wants a stronger economy.

"Universal affordable healthcare"? If this were something Democrats stand for, then surely they'd have put it in place.

Vermont was the state with the largest vote for Biden (DC not being a state) and they implemented single payer healthcare in 2011.

Then they abandoned it in 2014 saying it was too expensive.

At that time the Democrats had a huge majority in the House, the Senate and the Governor was Democratic from 2011 to 2017....

Vermont health care reform - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"On December 17, 2014, Vermont abandoned its plan for universal health care, citing the taxes required of smaller businesses within the state."

"Reforming the criminal justice system"... so what reform has Biden done? What reform did Obama do? And "reform" just means change, change can happen in many, many ways, that's not a "policy"... it's just "we want to change something"

"Combating climate change"

I mean, the climate ALWAYS CHANGES. It's been changing on this planet for millions of years. We're currently in a cycle that see temperatures rise every 100,000 - 120,000 years or so. And it's not like they're doing much about it. Biden still has air force one. Produces a load of green house gases....

"Protecting and strengthening our democracy", the US has FPTP, the Democrats aren't pushing to change this. All the Democrat controlled states use FPTP. They don't talk about Proportional Representation, which is democracy, compared to the bullshit that is FPTP.

"World class education for all".... impossible, but anyway. You're never going to get mass education with enough teachers who are smart enough. Usually US education unions are pushing for nonsense that enables schools to be bad.

So... I disagree.

A) most of these are so vague they're not something they stand for
B) Some/many might say these things, but then they don't do anything about them anyway
C) Sometimes they're just living in a fantasy world.
D) I'm sure I could come up with this many points for the Republicans in such a vague manner.

 

[JOSweetHeart]

That would be amazing to hear!

If a lady as awesome as Alison were to sing the song, maybe more people would take notice of it but only in a much better way.

God bless you and the angel always!!!

Holly (a fan of her for 30 years)

 

[BULLDOG]

Democrats don't have a set of clear cut goals at all.

Again, you are repeating the bullshit that your MAGA cult tells you. Republicans don't even bother with a platform any more, instead relying on trump's whims. Fortunately, Democrats have a very specific platform, but you wont hear anything about it listening to all those batshit crazy conspiracy theory sites.

Party Platform - Democrats

Every four years, Democrats from across the country join together to craft our party’s platform. The platform is created to uplift working people and write out the values that will guide our party for years to come.

democrats.org

 

[Crepitus]

who has a policy of "building a weaker economy"????

Republicans apparently. They do it every time they hold the oval office.

 

[Mashmont]

I can't really find a party platform for you guys. I mean I know there's an official one, but you kids haven't bothered with the official stuff for decades.

So what is the party platform? What do you stand for?

No slogans, "MAGA"is not a platform.

Policies. tell us.

Lower taxes, less regulation, pro-business, low inflation, , border security, energy independence, decreased worldwide terrorism, pro-life. Same platform as 50 years ago. Trump did all those things fantastically well. The Alzheimer's patient has failed on all.

You people really need to review the talking points given you before getting embarrassed.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Again, you are repeating the bullshit that your MAGA cult tells you. Republicans don't even bother with a platform any more, instead relying on trump's whims. Fortunately, Democrats have a very specific platform, but you wont hear anything about it listening to all those batshit crazy conspiracy theory sites.

Party Platform - Democrats

Every four years, Democrats from across the country join together to craft our party’s platform. The platform is created to uplift working people and write out the values that will guide our party for years to come.

democrats.org

Fuck me, I'm part of the "MAGA cult" now am I?

Jesus, I'm a liberal for fuck's sake.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Republicans apparently. They do it every time they hold the oval office.

That doesn't mean that's the policy they tell people, which is the point here.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

We know what Republicans don’t stand for.

They don’t stand for ‘small government, less government.’

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose voter ID laws.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose book bans.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose laws that disadvantage gay and transgender Americans.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose abortion bans.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose laws forcing social media to accommodate hate speech.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose laws prohibiting the teaching of black history.

If Republicans stood for small government, less government, they’d oppose laws prohibiting private companies from offering diversity, equity, and inclusion programs.

Republicans need to understand that ‘small government, less government’ is far much more than just reckless, irresponsible tax cuts and deregulation.

 

[BULLDOG]

Fuck me, I'm part of the "MAGA cult" now am I?

Jesus, I'm a liberal for fuck's sake.

If you arent aware of the Democratic platform, you aren't paying much attention.

 

[frigidweirdo]

If you arent aware of the Democratic platform, you aren't paying much attention.

Wow, you've just done two utterly pointless posts in a row now.

One you just attack me because all you can think of is that if someone says the Democrats are full of shit, they must be a MAGA, and then the next one you've just shown why you shouldn't have written a post in the first place. If you're not interested in the topic, don't write a post. It's fucking simple.

 

[AtlasWept]

I can't really find a party platform for you guys. I mean I know there's an official one, but you kids haven't bothered with the official stuff for decades.

So what is the party platform? What do you stand for?

No slogans, "MAGA"is not a platform.

Policies. tell us.

Small federal government and personal accountability are two of the central tenets. There are others.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Small federal government and personal accountability are two of the central tenets. There are others.

Except they don't actually practice either....

 

[Foxfyre]

I can't really find a party platform for you guys. I mean I know there's an official one, but you kids haven't bothered with the official stuff for decades.

So what is the party platform? What do you stand for?

No slogans, "MAGA"is not a platform.

Policies. tell us.

The GOP has not finalized the 2024 platform as yet but they are working on it. The ideal will be to come up with a MAGA vision that most Republicans can support in unison with nominee Donald Trump. Trump has been pretty specific in what he wants to accomplish if elected.

And watching what those who are part of the process are saying it is pretty safe to say that it will include some or all:

--Economic growth, policy that frees up and encourages job creation, business expansion, entrepreneurship, and bringing prices down.
--National Security including defense, international relations, and first and foremost closing the border to illegals and sending home all who have no legal right to be here.
--Healthcare: offering affordable and improved alternatives to Obamacare.
--Tax policy - making the Trump tax reforms permanent and making them better.
--Social issues related to religious freedom, freedom of speech, support for families, parental rights, etc.

 

[AtlasWept]

Except they don't actually practice either....

It depends on the individual. Hypocrisy does not invalidate the tenets. From a government standpoint, both major political parties suffer from creeping socialism -- whose corruption is relentless and at times imperceptible. It's like a cancer, it starts slowly, corrupting one cell. In political terms, it begins with the exception. After a time, it becomes the norm -- and then someone else wants an exception. Eventually, standards are in name only.

 

[frigidweirdo]

It depends on the individual. Hypocrisy does not invalidate the tenets. From a government standpoint, both major political parties suffer from creeping socialism -- whose corruption is relentless and at times imperceptible. It's like a cancer, it starts slowly, corrupting one cell. In political terms, it begins with the exception. After a time, it becomes the norm -- and then someone else wants an exception. Eventually, standards are in name only.

Yes, it does depend on the individual. However if we look at Republicans in DC, and we see bigger government no matter who is in power.

Also they seem to want small government for themselves, and large government for other people, like when it comes to gay people, abortion, or many of the other "moral issues", they want the federal govt to impose itself on others.

If they come out and say "this is what we are" but they don't practice it, then this isn't what they are. It's just a sales tactic.

 

[AtlasWept]

Yes, it does depend on the individual. However if we look at Republicans in DC, and we see bigger government no matter who is in power.

Also they seem to want small government for themselves, and large government for other people, like when it comes to gay people, abortion, or many of the other "moral issues", they want the federal govt to impose itself on others.

If they come out and say "this is what we are" but they don't practice it, then this isn't what they are. It's just a sales tactic.

The problem is the "feeding trough" mentality. Once enough dulling of standards sets in, then everyone becomes concerned about getting their "fair share". Everyone wants fiscal responsibility, until their ox is gored. That's what happens when a government's priority becomes handing out money. It's as Benjamin Franklin said, "When the people are able to vote themselves money, the Republic is lost". That ship left port long ago. I will simply say the NO ONE has the right to be a taxpayer-funded parasite.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The problem is the "feeding trough" mentality. Once enough dulling of standards sets in, then everyone becomes concerned about getting their "fair share". Everyone wants fiscal responsibility, until their ox is gored. That's what happens when a government's priority becomes handing out money. It's as Benjamin Franklin said, "When the people are able to vote themselves money, the Republic is lost". That ship left port long ago. I will simply say the NO ONE has the right to be a taxpayer-funded parasite.

Oh definitely. The problem is the FPTP system has led to two political parties and all the politicians see is a cha ching of the dollar signs.

The US needs to change the electoral system, or it's going to die. But neither the Reps nor the Dems want to change, because.... they're wallowing in the corruption and wouldn't want to lose those free pay checks.

But then I come on here and talk about PR and most of the time it gets dismissed because a lot of voters and people on forums like this, just love the entertainment they get from the system.

 

[AtlasWept]

Oh definitely. The problem is the FPTP system has led to two political parties and all the politicians see is a cha ching of the dollar signs.

The US needs to change the electoral system, or it's going to die. But neither the Reps nor the Dems want to change, because.... they're wallowing in the corruption and wouldn't want to lose those free pay checks.

But then I come on here and talk about PR and most of the time it gets dismissed because a lot of voters and people on forums like this, just love the entertainment they get from the system.

The electoral system is irrelevant so long as the three branches turn a blind eye to our Constitution. A $33 trillion national debt rises to the level of treason and a crime against the American people. Characterization and blame assessment at this juncture are meaningless. We simply have a legislative system that has rejected our founding principals and is backed by a court system that focuses on social justice rather than the rule of law.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The electoral system is irrelevant so long as the three branches turn a blind eye to our Constitution. A $33 trillion national debt rises to the level of treason and a crime against the American people. Characterization and blame assessment at this juncture are meaningless. We simply have a legislative system that has rejected our founding principals and is backed by a court system that focuses on social justice rather than the rule of law.

I disagree. If you look at other electoral systems, you find different levels of oversight.
In Germany where they have Proportional Representation, they don't have the problems that the US does.

They have 6 political parties. Why? Because the system says a party only needs 5% of the national vote in order to get seats. In Denmark they have 10, because their system says 2% is required.

In the US, in every district in the House, the winner needs to get the majority of the votes. In Germany they have FPTP at the same time as PR, but PR trumps FPTP.

2017 German federal election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We can see that the CDU/CSU in 2017 gained 37.27% of the votes with FPTP but got 77% of the seats. Why? Because they were winning some constituencies with 28% of the vote (because there are more parties).

In the US people feel that only Reps and Dems can win, so they vote for one of these. Usually to stop the other party from winning.

With PR the CDU/CSU got just under 33% of the vote, they lost more than 4% of the vote, on the same day at the same time.

They got 246 seats out of 709, instead of 231 seat out of 299.

What's the difference?

People have a choice when they vote. Say you're right wing. You can vote CDU (or CSU if you're in Bavaria). You can vote for FDP, a center right party. You can vote AfD.

In the US is you vote third party, you essentially vote against your political leaning.

Say your constituency has a close Rep/Dem leaning. You vote third party, then your leaning loses one vote, because a Rep or Dem doesn't get that vote.

In Germany you vote third party, that third party can maybe join a government with the leading party.

In 2021 the SPD won (left wing party) formed a coalition with the Greens and the FDP.

This means that any left wingers who voted Green instead of SPD, still had a relevant vote. The FDP are a center right party and left wingers who are kind of center, can still vote for them and have a chance at getting a left wing-ish government.

Also, what the SPD want will be diluted by the FDP and Greens who want different things. So, the govt will be less extreme.

Also the CDU lost out because the AfD gained more votes in 2017 and while getting less votes in 2021, they still cost the CDU their power. This punishes the CDU, they know the right can be punished and still get in power (in 2017).

This means politicians need to be more in tune with the voters. The voters have way more oversight, politics becomes better. Also the coalitions mean that you can't have crazy politics, because crazy parties won't get into coalitions.