So it looks like we got a lot of pork anyway.

[Moonglow]

The problem with congress is that they have to make promises to the voters, to bring back something from Washington. And one man's local program is what another man would call pork.

And it takes a majority approving of each others pork, to get a bill passed.

I understand how backhanded assistance works and have no problem with it, because it helps the economy and society..

 

[meaner gene]

I understand how backhanded assistance works and have no problem with it, because it helps the economy and society..

It's also what drives pork barrel spending. Like crazy research grants to the local university.

Or subsidies to farmers NOT to grow crops.
Isn't that like paying a car maker not to make cars?
Or paying a bank not to make loans.

Everybodies view of pork is different.

 

[d0gbreath]

No president has in the history of the US.

The American founders, having loathed the King of England, set up a pretty good system of three branches with equal checks and balances, so that we would never get a King here. You have to walk a mile in their shoes.

 

[scruffy]

Yet it seems the majority of voters around you are.

Are what?

 

[Moonglow]

The American founders, having loathed the King of England, set up a pretty good system of three branches with equal checks and balances, so that we would never get a King here. You have to walk a mile in their shoes.

I have no problems with the organization they created after the Articles of Confederation failed.

 

[scruffy]

You have to walk a mile in their shoes.

Been there done that.

We'll never have communism here either.

 

[d0gbreath]

I have no problems with the organization they created after the Articles of Confederation failed.

They weren't Saints nor Saviors by any means. 248 years without a King is their claim to fame.

 

[meaner gene]

The American founders, having loathed the King of England, set up a pretty good system of three branches with equal checks and balances, so that we would never get a King here. You have to walk a mile in their shoes.

Except they never figured that the legislative branch would approve of the judges from the executive branch, that would propel the executive to near absolute power (immunity)

That their only weapon to get rid of crooks and scoundrels requires the approval, not of independent men, but men with sworn allegiance to a political party.

 

[meaner gene]

Are what?

Are voting for the people you hate.

 

[meaner gene]

I have no problems with the organization they created after the Articles of Confederation failed.

They weren't Saints nor Saviors by any means. 248 years without a King is their claim to fame.

Recalculate
We were still under a king 1776 to 1783

 

[d0gbreath]

Except they never figured that the legislative branch would approve of the judges from the executive branch, that would propel the executive to near absolute power (immunity)

That their only weapon to get rid of crooks and scoundrels requires the approval, not of independent men, but men with sworn allegiance to a political party.

The decision that the president has immunity from prosecution for acts performed as presidential duties, is really toothless when you think about it. Criminal shit seldom falls under the presidential duties heading, if ever.

 

[d0gbreath]

Recalculate
We were still under a king 1776 to 1783

Was Washington basically King during that period? Sorry, I'm not learned on the history of the articles.

 

[meaner gene]

The decision that the president has immunity from prosecution for acts performed as presidential duties, is really toothless when you think about it. Criminal shit seldom falls under the presidential duties heading, if ever.

This is where you're wrong.
The crime of "abuse of power" being the prime example.
The supreme court effectively made the president immune from that crime.

 

[meaner gene]

Was Washington basically King during that period? Sorry, I'm not learned on the history of the articles.

King George was still in charge.

 

[scruffy]

Are voting for the people you hate.

No one I know is voting for communists.

 

[initforme]

If the pork benefits the lower classes workersvthen it's a good thing.

 

[d0gbreath]

This is where you're wrong.
The crime of "abuse of power" being the prime example.
The supreme court effectively made the president immune from that crime.

How does an American president abuse power when the Congress won't let him?

 

[meaner gene]

How does an American president abuse power when the Congress won't let him?

Take the war powers act.
Any violation of it can't be enforced against a sitting president.

 

[john doe 101]

Been there done that.

We'll never have communism here either.

Nobody is proposing that, dumb fuck.

 

[d0gbreath]

Take the war powers act.
Any violation of it can't be enforced against a sitting president.

What would we he gain from that?