So....how many posters do we have who have heard of this INCEL Movement?

[WinterBorn]

Probably when they realized women aren't like they are portrayed in porn... they thought if you waved $5 around 50 gorgeous 18 year olds would strip off their clothes and beg for his .... unit.
When they climbed out of the basement and saw that women were intelligent beings they flipped out.

The easy availability of degenerate pornography definitely is a contributing factor. In this day and age is there a 13 year old boy who doesn't watch porn on a regular basis and if so what the fuck is wrong with him?

No doubt having a dramatic ill effect on young males.
And basically no one talks about it. The portrayal of women in porn is all they ever want is huge c_cks slamming them night and day. In every orifice. All you have to do is drive by, wave a few bucks and they can't wait to do anything you want them to.
Take that impression, and apply the #metoo saga and you have a one fucked up situation.
Consequently.... just how strange is it feminist and #metoo'ers pay no attention to porn?

The supposedly pro-woman left has had a disastrous effect on women and men's opinion of them. I know its easy to poke fun at guys mad because they can't get laid but a lot of them actually crave something more traditional. Maybe they're shy about sex and would like to take it slow, holding hands and going on dates. That's probably the main reason Anime is so popular with the so-called alt right, because of the (relatively) wholesome way romantic relationships and female behavior is depicted.

...in my case, it is more about equality. i really am quite bashful due to my low numbers and lack of practice. if women were more equal, entire gangs of them should enjoy, "breaking in the new guy."

LMAO!! YOur fantasies notwithstanding, that is not equality.

 

[Vastator]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

I think that you are the only person I've ever talked to, that mentioned it. So I looked it up, it's interesting I guess. I find it difficult to believe honestly.

So I had a roommate from Bangladesh. We were chatting, and he went over what he had to do, in order to get a women. She would not let him even touch her, until they were married. So he had to ask his parents, to talk to her parents. They arranged a meeting, where he flew there and they talked to him. Then her parents contacted the school he got his degree at and asked for proof. Then they contacted his employer, and verified his employment. They even contacted his friends and family in the US, to ask about his character. Then he had to fly to Bangladesh, and host a meal with both families, and after that they got married. Two round trip flights, several long meetings, a banquet, full background check, investigating his character, and a marriage party.

Sex on the first date? Survey breaks down the numbers : theCHIVE

More than 1/3rd of western woman will have sex on the very first date.

I myself, have had women offer themselves to me, on at least 2 occasions, and possibly a 3rd.

So, it might be true, I don't know. But it just seems unlikely based on how easy women are. I mean, isn't it 40% of children are born out of wedlock right now?

How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock

And you are telling me that with so many women putting out to guys all over the place that they are not married to, that we have involuntary celibates?

Could be true. Just seems unlikely.

I would wager, it's more that men are not taught how to be men, and/or don't have a man in the house to show them what a man looks like (see 40% of children born out of wedlock).

Worse, I think a ton of stupid people are getting their ideas of how life works, from movies. I can still remember seeing Highlander (old film), and having this guy saying my name is blaw blaw and I'm immortal, and then he runs himself through with a blade.... to prove he is immortal, and won't die from a blade. Same scene, him and this woman start making out. I skipped to the next scene.

How dumb is that? What woman is going to be turned on, after a guy who is barely more than a stranger, runs himself through with a knife? Then Highlander 2 came out, and he almost tosses this woman up against a wall, and starts making out with her pinned to the wall. What woman is going to be turned on by being manhandled?

And honestly a ton of women need to stop being stupid, and stop supporting this kind of stuff. How many millions of women watched 50 shades of grey? Then some guy sees that film, thinks that's what women want, does the same thing he saw in the movie in real life, and everyone is shocked?

'Fifty Shades of Grey': College Student Arrested for Sexual Assault Inspired by Film

So that's my opinion on it.

We need to stop having kids out of wedlock. We need fathers to stay in the home, and show boys what being a man looks like.

We need to bring back moral values, and stop getting our views on how relationships work, from stupid Hollywood movies.

What do you think?

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I agree but I think this same process would happen in men as well--the same brain process, I mean.

Also: I have two kids in college. Your numbers 5, 6, 7 are very low among their peers these days, which is discouraging to say the least. The feminists will scream but it's still true: most good men do not want to "settle down" with women who have been with 50+ men before them. Just not most guy's definition of wife material.

There’s a reason they say you can’t turn a whore into a housewife...

 

[WinterBorn]

this dilemma primarily exists due to capitalism and the capital inequality of our less efficient economy.

We could be increasing the efficiency of our economy through equal protection of the law for unemployment compensation for simply being unemployed on an at-will basis in our at-will employment States.

Unemployment compensation if you quit your job and don't look for another? No.

 

[WinterBorn]

I knew that an INCEL representative would join. Welcome.

Every poll says the happiest woman are married to conservative men.. sorry little buddy lol get a face lift haha get some braces

"Every poll".......ok, link a few of them.

Ummm ok
lol
NYT op-ed reports religious conservative women are 'happiest of all wives in America' — and the social media mob melts down

Pretty easy .. did you need a link lol have you seen your beasty lib girls that post on here? Wooof

some women are happy being told what to do. can't "blame them, now."

You will never know what a woman wants lol

I've had pretty good luck just asking them.

 

[Dick Foster]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

They sound like a bunch of jerk offs.

 

[SweetSue92]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

I think that you are the only person I've ever talked to, that mentioned it. So I looked it up, it's interesting I guess. I find it difficult to believe honestly.

So I had a roommate from Bangladesh. We were chatting, and he went over what he had to do, in order to get a women. She would not let him even touch her, until they were married. So he had to ask his parents, to talk to her parents. They arranged a meeting, where he flew there and they talked to him. Then her parents contacted the school he got his degree at and asked for proof. Then they contacted his employer, and verified his employment. They even contacted his friends and family in the US, to ask about his character. Then he had to fly to Bangladesh, and host a meal with both families, and after that they got married. Two round trip flights, several long meetings, a banquet, full background check, investigating his character, and a marriage party.

Sex on the first date? Survey breaks down the numbers : theCHIVE

More than 1/3rd of western woman will have sex on the very first date.

I myself, have had women offer themselves to me, on at least 2 occasions, and possibly a 3rd.

So, it might be true, I don't know. But it just seems unlikely based on how easy women are. I mean, isn't it 40% of children are born out of wedlock right now?

How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock

And you are telling me that with so many women putting out to guys all over the place that they are not married to, that we have involuntary celibates?

Could be true. Just seems unlikely.

I would wager, it's more that men are not taught how to be men, and/or don't have a man in the house to show them what a man looks like (see 40% of children born out of wedlock).

Worse, I think a ton of stupid people are getting their ideas of how life works, from movies. I can still remember seeing Highlander (old film), and having this guy saying my name is blaw blaw and I'm immortal, and then he runs himself through with a blade.... to prove he is immortal, and won't die from a blade. Same scene, him and this woman start making out. I skipped to the next scene.

How dumb is that? What woman is going to be turned on, after a guy who is barely more than a stranger, runs himself through with a knife? Then Highlander 2 came out, and he almost tosses this woman up against a wall, and starts making out with her pinned to the wall. What woman is going to be turned on by being manhandled?

And honestly a ton of women need to stop being stupid, and stop supporting this kind of stuff. How many millions of women watched 50 shades of grey? Then some guy sees that film, thinks that's what women want, does the same thing he saw in the movie in real life, and everyone is shocked?

'Fifty Shades of Grey': College Student Arrested for Sexual Assault Inspired by Film

So that's my opinion on it.

We need to stop having kids out of wedlock. We need fathers to stay in the home, and show boys what being a man looks like.

We need to bring back moral values, and stop getting our views on how relationships work, from stupid Hollywood movies.

What do you think?

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Genetically from a biological stand point? No. Since the dawn of mankind a woman’s best possible chance at successfully passing on her sequence relied on bonding with a male who could provide support, and protection while she was pregnant, birthing, and rearing children. Conversely a mans best chance at passing on his sequence has been to cast it far, and wide. Over millennia of successful breedings, the psychology that brought the current generation to where it is today is still with us. The modern conventions of sex without consequence, an at will support net from “society”, and the rampant proliferation of single mothers, fly contrary to the innate psychology were each born with.. From an evolutionary stand point this all occurred just a blink ago. Despite what many claim to “want”, the human psyche isn’t optimized for such conditions.

So if "biology" dictated the home, the woman would be having baby after baby for the man, the man would be supporting her but also, potentially, out impregnating other women. Oh, and when she reaches menopause, she's useless, so ditch her and get yourself a younger wife. What anyone does with the post-menopausal wives is their problem.

Gosh, that biological society sounds lovely. Set it up as a religion and see how many followers you get! You can call it the Order of DudeBros.

 

[WinterBorn]

Every poll says the happiest woman are married to conservative men.. sorry little buddy lol get a face lift haha get some braces

"Every poll".......ok, link a few of them.

Ummm ok
lol
NYT op-ed reports religious conservative women are 'happiest of all wives in America' — and the social media mob melts down

Pretty easy .. did you need a link lol have you seen your beasty lib girls that post on here? Wooof

some women are happy being told what to do. can't "blame them, now."

You will never know what a woman wants lol

I am not Mr. Fantastic. She can always tell me.

Would it matter? You don't seem concerned with whether or not she is attracted to you. You just think she should fuck you in the laughable name of equality.

 

[Vastator]

I think that you are the only person I've ever talked to, that mentioned it. So I looked it up, it's interesting I guess. I find it difficult to believe honestly.

So I had a roommate from Bangladesh. We were chatting, and he went over what he had to do, in order to get a women. She would not let him even touch her, until they were married. So he had to ask his parents, to talk to her parents. They arranged a meeting, where he flew there and they talked to him. Then her parents contacted the school he got his degree at and asked for proof. Then they contacted his employer, and verified his employment. They even contacted his friends and family in the US, to ask about his character. Then he had to fly to Bangladesh, and host a meal with both families, and after that they got married. Two round trip flights, several long meetings, a banquet, full background check, investigating his character, and a marriage party.

Sex on the first date? Survey breaks down the numbers : theCHIVE

More than 1/3rd of western woman will have sex on the very first date.

I myself, have had women offer themselves to me, on at least 2 occasions, and possibly a 3rd.

So, it might be true, I don't know. But it just seems unlikely based on how easy women are. I mean, isn't it 40% of children are born out of wedlock right now?

How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock

And you are telling me that with so many women putting out to guys all over the place that they are not married to, that we have involuntary celibates?

Could be true. Just seems unlikely.

I would wager, it's more that men are not taught how to be men, and/or don't have a man in the house to show them what a man looks like (see 40% of children born out of wedlock).

Worse, I think a ton of stupid people are getting their ideas of how life works, from movies. I can still remember seeing Highlander (old film), and having this guy saying my name is blaw blaw and I'm immortal, and then he runs himself through with a blade.... to prove he is immortal, and won't die from a blade. Same scene, him and this woman start making out. I skipped to the next scene.

How dumb is that? What woman is going to be turned on, after a guy who is barely more than a stranger, runs himself through with a knife? Then Highlander 2 came out, and he almost tosses this woman up against a wall, and starts making out with her pinned to the wall. What woman is going to be turned on by being manhandled?

And honestly a ton of women need to stop being stupid, and stop supporting this kind of stuff. How many millions of women watched 50 shades of grey? Then some guy sees that film, thinks that's what women want, does the same thing he saw in the movie in real life, and everyone is shocked?

'Fifty Shades of Grey': College Student Arrested for Sexual Assault Inspired by Film

So that's my opinion on it.

We need to stop having kids out of wedlock. We need fathers to stay in the home, and show boys what being a man looks like.

We need to bring back moral values, and stop getting our views on how relationships work, from stupid Hollywood movies.

What do you think?

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Genetically from a biological stand point? No. Since the dawn of mankind a woman’s best possible chance at successfully passing on her sequence relied on bonding with a male who could provide support, and protection while she was pregnant, birthing, and rearing children. Conversely a mans best chance at passing on his sequence has been to cast it far, and wide. Over millennia of successful breedings, the psychology that brought the current generation to where it is today is still with us. The modern conventions of sex without consequence, an at will support net from “society”, and the rampant proliferation of single mothers, fly contrary to the innate psychology were each born with.. From an evolutionary stand point this all occurred just a blink ago. Despite what many claim to “want”, the human psyche isn’t optimized for such conditions.

So if "biology" dictated the home, the woman would be having baby after baby for the man, the man would be supporting her but also, potentially, out impregnating other women. Oh, and when she reaches menopause, she's useless, so ditch her and get yourself a younger wife. What anyone does with the post-menopausal wives is their problem.

Gosh, that biological society sounds lovely. Set it up as a religion and see how many followers you get! You can call it the Order of DudeBros.

Something much like that is the only reason you exist today...

 

[SweetSue92]

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Genetically from a biological stand point? No. Since the dawn of mankind a woman’s best possible chance at successfully passing on her sequence relied on bonding with a male who could provide support, and protection while she was pregnant, birthing, and rearing children. Conversely a mans best chance at passing on his sequence has been to cast it far, and wide. Over millennia of successful breedings, the psychology that brought the current generation to where it is today is still with us. The modern conventions of sex without consequence, an at will support net from “society”, and the rampant proliferation of single mothers, fly contrary to the innate psychology were each born with.. From an evolutionary stand point this all occurred just a blink ago. Despite what many claim to “want”, the human psyche isn’t optimized for such conditions.

So if "biology" dictated the home, the woman would be having baby after baby for the man, the man would be supporting her but also, potentially, out impregnating other women. Oh, and when she reaches menopause, she's useless, so ditch her and get yourself a younger wife. What anyone does with the post-menopausal wives is their problem.

Gosh, that biological society sounds lovely. Set it up as a religion and see how many followers you get! You can call it the Order of DudeBros.

Something much like that is the only reason you exist today...

So, is biology your highest value?

 

[Vastator]

I think that you are the only person I've ever talked to, that mentioned it. So I looked it up, it's interesting I guess. I find it difficult to believe honestly.

So I had a roommate from Bangladesh. We were chatting, and he went over what he had to do, in order to get a women. She would not let him even touch her, until they were married. So he had to ask his parents, to talk to her parents. They arranged a meeting, where he flew there and they talked to him. Then her parents contacted the school he got his degree at and asked for proof. Then they contacted his employer, and verified his employment. They even contacted his friends and family in the US, to ask about his character. Then he had to fly to Bangladesh, and host a meal with both families, and after that they got married. Two round trip flights, several long meetings, a banquet, full background check, investigating his character, and a marriage party.

Sex on the first date? Survey breaks down the numbers : theCHIVE

More than 1/3rd of western woman will have sex on the very first date.

I myself, have had women offer themselves to me, on at least 2 occasions, and possibly a 3rd.

So, it might be true, I don't know. But it just seems unlikely based on how easy women are. I mean, isn't it 40% of children are born out of wedlock right now?

How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock

And you are telling me that with so many women putting out to guys all over the place that they are not married to, that we have involuntary celibates?

Could be true. Just seems unlikely.

I would wager, it's more that men are not taught how to be men, and/or don't have a man in the house to show them what a man looks like (see 40% of children born out of wedlock).

Worse, I think a ton of stupid people are getting their ideas of how life works, from movies. I can still remember seeing Highlander (old film), and having this guy saying my name is blaw blaw and I'm immortal, and then he runs himself through with a blade.... to prove he is immortal, and won't die from a blade. Same scene, him and this woman start making out. I skipped to the next scene.

How dumb is that? What woman is going to be turned on, after a guy who is barely more than a stranger, runs himself through with a knife? Then Highlander 2 came out, and he almost tosses this woman up against a wall, and starts making out with her pinned to the wall. What woman is going to be turned on by being manhandled?

And honestly a ton of women need to stop being stupid, and stop supporting this kind of stuff. How many millions of women watched 50 shades of grey? Then some guy sees that film, thinks that's what women want, does the same thing he saw in the movie in real life, and everyone is shocked?

'Fifty Shades of Grey': College Student Arrested for Sexual Assault Inspired by Film

So that's my opinion on it.

We need to stop having kids out of wedlock. We need fathers to stay in the home, and show boys what being a man looks like.

We need to bring back moral values, and stop getting our views on how relationships work, from stupid Hollywood movies.

What do you think?

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Genetically from a biological stand point? No. Since the dawn of mankind a woman’s best possible chance at successfully passing on her sequence relied on bonding with a male who could provide support, and protection while she was pregnant, birthing, and rearing children. Conversely a mans best chance at passing on his sequence has been to cast it far, and wide. Over millennia of successful breedings, the psychology that brought the current generation to where it is today is still with us. The modern conventions of sex without consequence, an at will support net from “society”, and the rampant proliferation of single mothers, fly contrary to the innate psychology were each born with.. From an evolutionary stand point this all occurred just a blink ago. Despite what many claim to “want”, the human psyche isn’t optimized for such conditions.

So if "biology" dictated the home, the woman would be having baby after baby for the man, the man would be supporting her but also, potentially, out impregnating other women. Oh, and when she reaches menopause, she's useless, so ditch her and get yourself a younger wife. What anyone does with the post-menopausal wives is their problem.

Gosh, that biological society sounds lovely. Set it up as a religion and see how many followers you get! You can call it the Order of DudeBros.

They already have a couple of religions that have operated this way for hundreds upon hundreds of years. They took from before them, the tactics that worked. Christianity, Judaism, and Islam come to mind.

 

[Vastator]

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Genetically from a biological stand point? No. Since the dawn of mankind a woman’s best possible chance at successfully passing on her sequence relied on bonding with a male who could provide support, and protection while she was pregnant, birthing, and rearing children. Conversely a mans best chance at passing on his sequence has been to cast it far, and wide. Over millennia of successful breedings, the psychology that brought the current generation to where it is today is still with us. The modern conventions of sex without consequence, an at will support net from “society”, and the rampant proliferation of single mothers, fly contrary to the innate psychology were each born with.. From an evolutionary stand point this all occurred just a blink ago. Despite what many claim to “want”, the human psyche isn’t optimized for such conditions.

So if "biology" dictated the home, the woman would be having baby after baby for the man, the man would be supporting her but also, potentially, out impregnating other women. Oh, and when she reaches menopause, she's useless, so ditch her and get yourself a younger wife. What anyone does with the post-menopausal wives is their problem.

Gosh, that biological society sounds lovely. Set it up as a religion and see how many followers you get! You can call it the Order of DudeBros.

Something much like that is the only reason you exist today...

So, is biology your highest value?

Highest? It’s up there. My values are in my sig line, and biology would fall squarely under “truth”. To kid ones self into thinking they can outsmart their biology, would be a mistake. It leads to confusion as to why what one had hoped would work doesn’t.

 

[Dragonlady]

Seems like guys being able to (or not being able to) get laid has become a national security issue.

...not for me. I simply refuse to get serious if women can "do all of the other ones and not me."

Who has the really really serious relationship twat?

Who harasses women for really really serious?

Why should guys have to try harder for twat than women do for dick, if we only want twat?

Because only wanting twat and nothing more is the reason you can’t get any.

 

[Meathead]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

Hey, who wants to boink fat chicks? It's more of a personal problem for you I guess.

 

[WinterBorn]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

Hey, who wants to boink fat chicks? It's more of a personal problem for you I guess.

Fat guys? I think a lot of this goes to these men wanting the model looks and having little to offer someone.

I am pretty sure there are homely or overweight women who are just as lonely.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

For the so afflicted who hide their pain behind funny...

Pair- bonding and the Brain | Medical Institute for Sexual Health
However, when an individual choses to engage in casual sex, breaking bond after bond with each new sexual partner, the brain forms a new synaptic map of one-night –stands. This pattern becomes the “new normal” for the individual. When and if the individual later desires to find a more permanent partner, the brain mapping will have to be overcome, making a permanent bond more difficult to achieve. Often the individual is not aware that the brain has adapted to the behavior pattern and he/she begins to think, “That’s just the way I am”,

For those who think “that’s just the way I am”; you did it to yourself.

Well that is certainly interesting and there is probobly something to it. However, I am living proof that not everyone who has "been around" succumbs to this problem. I met my wife when I was about 40 . Prior to that, I was quite active sexually, and so was she, but that did not prevent a strong bond from forming that is still working over 30 years later.

But as far as these INCEL creeps go, I doubt that too many partners were ever their problem. Most are probobly virgins or rely on prostitutes for their kicks. I would also guess that their attitudes towards woman are not the result of not being able to get laid. More likely the attitudes are the cause,

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Most or many people are involuntarily celibate. So what?

What sort of self centered morons would think they have a right
to sex? I don't know much about these creeps and don't want to find out more particularly.
It just seems like the selfish drivel we are inundated with these days.

A little wisdom....before you whine about the pool of partners out there have a good hard look at yourself.
Everyone seems to think they are worth much more than they actually are. Be a decent person.
Work on yourself. Don't think of sex as the be all and end all of any interaction.
Grow up.

 

[Vastator]

For the so afflicted who hide their pain behind funny...

Pair- bonding and the Brain | Medical Institute for Sexual Health
However, when an individual choses to engage in casual sex, breaking bond after bond with each new sexual partner, the brain forms a new synaptic map of one-night –stands. This pattern becomes the “new normal” for the individual. When and if the individual later desires to find a more permanent partner, the brain mapping will have to be overcome, making a permanent bond more difficult to achieve. Often the individual is not aware that the brain has adapted to the behavior pattern and he/she begins to think, “That’s just the way I am”,

For those who think “that’s just the way I am”; you did it to yourself.

Well that is certainly interesting and there is probobly something to it. However, I am living proof that not everyone who has "been around" succumbs to this problem. I met my wife when I was about 40 . Prior to that, I was quite active sexually, and so was she, but that did not prevent a strong bond from forming that is still working over 30 years later.

But as far as these INCEL creeps go, I doubt that too many partners were ever their problem. Most are probobly virgins or rely on prostitutes for their kicks. I would also guess that their attitudes towards woman are not the result of not being able to get laid. More likely the attitudes are the cause,

In this completely deregulated sexual market place, it seems inconceivable that virtually any person couldn’t get “laid”. For those for which this term genuinely applies, I can only infer that these folks likely have serious mental health issues that make them socially awkward across the board. The innate desire for all living things to procreate, is likely just the straw that breaks the camels back.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I stumbled across a thread on this board a few months ago wherein several posters were bitch whining about their inability to get laid. They blamed “feminist bitches” for this problem.

I suggested they join social groups of people with common interests, get to know some of the women, build friendship which would lead to relationships. It quickly became apparent why these asshats weren’t getting laid.

They had no interest in socializing with women, or getting to know them, or building relationships. They didn’t even like women. They just wanted them to lay down and spread their legs.

At the same time, they referred to women who are having sex with other men as “sluts” and “whores”. I don’t know of any women willing to have sex with misogynistic assholes like these guys either, except for hookers. But you know they don’t want to or can’t afford to pay for it.

A classic case of entitled assholes who refuse to see that the source of their problem is looking right at them every morning in their bathroom mirrors.

Always spot on Dragonlady!! Word up Sista!!

 

[Andylusion]

Involuntary Celibate males? The driver in Toronto was one....we had one kill many people in CA recently too. (no, I will not put out their names...they are just scum) What's up with this? Guys who can't get laid have a movement....cheer on violence against women....against "Chad" and "Stacy" (regular people with regular relationships)....what's up with that?

I think that you are the only person I've ever talked to, that mentioned it. So I looked it up, it's interesting I guess. I find it difficult to believe honestly.

So I had a roommate from Bangladesh. We were chatting, and he went over what he had to do, in order to get a women. She would not let him even touch her, until they were married. So he had to ask his parents, to talk to her parents. They arranged a meeting, where he flew there and they talked to him. Then her parents contacted the school he got his degree at and asked for proof. Then they contacted his employer, and verified his employment. They even contacted his friends and family in the US, to ask about his character. Then he had to fly to Bangladesh, and host a meal with both families, and after that they got married. Two round trip flights, several long meetings, a banquet, full background check, investigating his character, and a marriage party.

Sex on the first date? Survey breaks down the numbers : theCHIVE

More than 1/3rd of western woman will have sex on the very first date.

I myself, have had women offer themselves to me, on at least 2 occasions, and possibly a 3rd.

So, it might be true, I don't know. But it just seems unlikely based on how easy women are. I mean, isn't it 40% of children are born out of wedlock right now?

How We Ended Up With 40 Percent of Children Born Out of Wedlock

And you are telling me that with so many women putting out to guys all over the place that they are not married to, that we have involuntary celibates?

Could be true. Just seems unlikely.

I would wager, it's more that men are not taught how to be men, and/or don't have a man in the house to show them what a man looks like (see 40% of children born out of wedlock).

Worse, I think a ton of stupid people are getting their ideas of how life works, from movies. I can still remember seeing Highlander (old film), and having this guy saying my name is blaw blaw and I'm immortal, and then he runs himself through with a blade.... to prove he is immortal, and won't die from a blade. Same scene, him and this woman start making out. I skipped to the next scene.

How dumb is that? What woman is going to be turned on, after a guy who is barely more than a stranger, runs himself through with a knife? Then Highlander 2 came out, and he almost tosses this woman up against a wall, and starts making out with her pinned to the wall. What woman is going to be turned on by being manhandled?

And honestly a ton of women need to stop being stupid, and stop supporting this kind of stuff. How many millions of women watched 50 shades of grey? Then some guy sees that film, thinks that's what women want, does the same thing he saw in the movie in real life, and everyone is shocked?

'Fifty Shades of Grey': College Student Arrested for Sexual Assault Inspired by Film

So that's my opinion on it.

We need to stop having kids out of wedlock. We need fathers to stay in the home, and show boys what being a man looks like.

We need to bring back moral values, and stop getting our views on how relationships work, from stupid Hollywood movies.

What do you think?

Arranged marriages actually have a pretty good track record. Not only in terms of divorce rate, but happiness too. But then, the culture supports it. You marry and you're expected to stay married and make it work.

Our culture is completely messed up. Yes, fatherless boys is a big part of that mess up. It doesn't mean every boy without a father will be messed up of course, but it adds to the overall misery.

One of the reason arranged marriages work so well, much to the surprise of the promiscuous West, is biology. With each successive sexual partner a woman has, her ability to pair bond is diminished. So if a girl starts having sex at 15, or 16, and ends up having had 3 partners by 18, or 5,6,7, and in many cases, many more, by the time they are"ready to settle down"; they are so damaged that they can't keep a functioning relationship viable. Their biological ability to pair bond has been nearly completely destroyed. Which is in no small part why so many marriages fail.

I'm not sure that arranged marriages work well, although the two that I know of seem to have been successful, with one ending in the death of my friend and co-worker from the Punjab. Unfortunately, there is no study of whether people in arranged marriages cheat, but I have heard that one of the reasons for the spread of HIV in India was male truck drivers bringing the infection home to their wives.

The "west" has always been "promiscuous." Generals in the civil war were worried about STDs among their troops, and that was in the 1860's. Thomas Jefferson had children with at least one enslaved woman to whom he was not married.

I notice that you only speak of women and our ability to "pair bond." Are there no similar theories about men? It seems that we have a lot of married men who have a spare (or more) on the side. That is what Chris Watts did, and Scott Peterson did, and they both had babies on the way (Watts already had babies, as well, and he murdered them). Don't they represent an inability to "pair bond"? Did this have anything to do with their sexual experiences prior to marriage? Even the guy whom you call "president" has exhibited a lack of ability to "pair bond."

Men are generally not quite as affected as women, in pair bonding. This is one of the reasons that generally if the woman dies first in a marriage, many times the man will remarry. However if the man dies first, it is far more common for the woman to remain single.
My grandmother was like that. She lived out the last 20 years of her life alone.

Now it is true that men will imprint on their first sexual experience, but it is different than how a woman pairs.

A man will try and recreate that situation. So for example, a man whose first few sexual encounters, is meeting up at a dirty motel somewhere, will sometimes spend years trying to recreate that experience.

Or another situation would be girls that give their boyfriends a blow job. Then after they get married, the women (reasonably) do not want to do that again, but they fail to understand that these boys have now imprinted on that sexual experience, and they want to keep doing that.

I've seen this play out several times. The most recent example was my barber. So he's cutting hair and we're talking (a guy in a room full of guys) "My wife just isn't turning me on anymore". I dared to ask why, and the story comes up that she used to do (X activity) all the years they were dating, and now she says "I'm not a whore!" when I ask her for (x activity).

Now they are both unhappy, and both of them are at fault. He allowed that action to be his first sexual experiences, and thus imprinted on them. She did those actions when she found them repulsive, and now he wants those actions to continue.

This is why you need to keep children away from the media, and left-wing sexuality. It ruins both people.

 

[Andylusion]

For the so afflicted who hide their pain behind funny...

Pair- bonding and the Brain | Medical Institute for Sexual Health
However, when an individual choses to engage in casual sex, breaking bond after bond with each new sexual partner, the brain forms a new synaptic map of one-night –stands. This pattern becomes the “new normal” for the individual. When and if the individual later desires to find a more permanent partner, the brain mapping will have to be overcome, making a permanent bond more difficult to achieve. Often the individual is not aware that the brain has adapted to the behavior pattern and he/she begins to think, “That’s just the way I am”,

For those who think “that’s just the way I am”; you did it to yourself.

Well that is certainly interesting and there is probobly something to it. However, I am living proof that not everyone who has "been around" succumbs to this problem. I met my wife when I was about 40 . Prior to that, I was quite active sexually, and so was she, but that did not prevent a strong bond from forming that is still working over 30 years later.

But as far as these INCEL creeps go, I doubt that too many partners were ever their problem. Most are probobly virgins or rely on prostitutes for their kicks. I would also guess that their attitudes towards woman are not the result of not being able to get laid. More likely the attitudes are the cause,

In this completely deregulated sexual market place, it seems inconceivable that virtually any person couldn’t get “laid”. For those for which this term genuinely applies, I can only infer that these folks likely have serious mental health issues that make them socially awkward across the board. The innate desire for all living things to procreate, is likely just the straw that breaks the camels back.

Yeah, that's my take too. I've seen people that are worse off than me, still able to find a woman more than willing to spread her legs for him. In another country, I can see how INCEL will work. I was reading about some guy in India, whose wife before the marriage, started quizzing him on his math skills. When he couldn't answer her math problems, she broke off the wedding.

Over there, they have standards, and sometimes high standards, and if you can't meet them, you don't get the chick.

But in this country? We have dating sites for "hookups". Didn't Craigslist at one point have a forum specifically for hookups that was free? Isn't there a website for elderly hookups, and married hookups, and the list goes on?

So how anyone in this country could possibly be INCEL, suggests to me that it's more about them simply having a mental problem, rather than any real group of men that can't find 1 of the millions of desperate and easy women in this country.