Single-payer HC plan IS the answer......

[nat4900]

Plus there's the legality of the idea: There isn't a thing in the enumerated powers of the Constitution that grants the federal government the power to run healthcare. You'll need an amendment. Good luck with that.

here's a moron that claims that Medicare was passed with a federal amendment to the Constitution......

 

[Rustic]

Is the question, 'How most quickly to get the federal deficit to 20 Trillion?'

Here, mull this over:

United States

> Health expenditure per capita: $8,713
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 16.4%
> Obesity rate: 35.3%
> Life expectancy: 78.8

VERSUS

Sweden

> Health expenditure per capita: $4,904
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 11.0%
> Obesity rate: 11.7%
> Life expectancy: 82.0

Countries spending the most on health care

Here, mull this over

Population of USA - 321 Million
USA Debt as % of GDP - 106%
Debt per citizen of USA - US$61,000

Population of Sweden - 9 Million
Swedish Debt as % of GDP - 42%
Debt per citizen of Sweden - US$22,000

Bingo!
The debt is too large to ever be paid back, but yet the ******* morons want to include more socialist entitlement programs...
Lol

 

[RDD_1210]

What has always amazed me is that right wingers would rather send an ever increasing amount to pay for their HC premium to a private insurance company that ONLY cares about profits.......

........rather than choosing to send a much smaller payment to the federal government (a-la, Medicare) that is not in the "business" of making huge profits over the plan.

Only ******* morons trust the federal government... lol

Says the guy that doesn't have a plan for the day he gets sick.

Mr. Smarty Pants here.

 

[Rustic]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

Would you not opt in?

If you say no, how do you plan to pay for medical care should you get sick? And I'm talking cancer, etc...

I don't live life that way, worrying what might or might not happen… That's no way to live. By the way insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

What might or might not happen??

You do know that you will one day get sick right? Do you plan on not seeking medical treatment?

Well if it comes down to money I don't have to worry about it. But the fact remains insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

 

[Theowl32]

Is the question, 'How most quickly to get the federal deficit to 20 Trillion?'

Here, mull this over:

United States

> Health expenditure per capita: $8,713
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 16.4%
> Obesity rate: 35.3%
> Life expectancy: 78.8

VERSUS

Sweden

> Health expenditure per capita: $4,904
> Expenditure as a pct. of GDP: 11.0%
> Obesity rate: 11.7%
> Life expectancy: 82.0

Countries spending the most on health care

Huh, how many illegals live in Sweden? Ever consider all factors, or do you just go to the success of those countries like every left wing trained monkey?

I love too how you always bring up the lack of gun violence in those countries, and I wonder. How many MS13 gang members live there? Crips? Bloods? Latin Kings? Not many?

Oh, their rape rates went up exponentially over the last 2 years or so. I wonder why the pigs in the media don't report that. Any reason you think the world media does not hype that?

The bottom line is you may be right. Not that it is the best answer. Right now there is a real problem, and the single payer trojan horse better known as obamacare is the reason. The one to blame for that is John Roberts.

Here is the reality of the situation. Many people were kicked off of their health insurance (conservatives) cause their premiums went up sky high. No longer did companies or businesses offer health insurance, by keeping their employees under 30 hours a week.

Many conservatives (million of people) have preexisting conditions and they had no choice but to get on the obamacare. Regardless of its failure.

Now, there is really no way for the political move to kick ALL of those people off the insurance plans they have, cause it will be impossible for those millions with preexisting condition to get insurance. It will be a political disaster.

Imagine if any politician even hints at taking SS away from everyone.

Obamacare being passed has screwed pretty bad. The worst part is the republicans will get the blame for all of it, even though it is all about the democrat policies that caused all of it. Much like the housing bubble caused by democrat policies. Instead Bush got ALL of the blame.

This is the way politics is in this country. I blame the pravda media on the left and their agenda along with those pathetic John Lennon hippy marxist professors feeding pure shit into the minds of impressionable kids.

We are fucked.....

**** you Nat. There you go.

 

[nat4900]

Here, mull this over

Population of USA - 321 Million
USA Debt as % of GDP - 106%
Debt per citizen of USA - US$61,000

Population of Sweden - 9 Million
Swedish Debt as % of GDP - 42%
Debt per citizen of Sweden - US$22,000

Well, you really did not respond to MY post.....but, fine.....

Should we try MY suggestion then in a state like Delaware or Montana, or south Dakota where their respective population is the same or less than Sweden???

Mull THAT over......

 

[RDD_1210]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

Would you not opt in?

If you say no, how do you plan to pay for medical care should you get sick? And I'm talking cancer, etc...

I don't live life that way, worrying what might or might not happen… That's no way to live. By the way insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

What might or might not happen??

You do know that you will one day get sick right? Do you plan on not seeking medical treatment?

Well if it comes down to money I don't have to worry about it. But the fact remains insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

You have hundreds of thousands of dollars just sitting in the bank in case you get sick?

Why do I somehow doubt that.

 

[fncceo]

Should we try MY suggestion then in a state like Delaware or Montana, or south Dakota where their respective population is the same or less than Sweden???

Only with the consent of the voters of that state and only funded by state revenue ... knock yourself out.

 

[NLT]

Now that even the slow-witted Trump has admitted that "who knew that health care reform would be so hard"........it is time for democrats to use the single-payer option as the benchmark of what we must enact have a BETTER and CHEAPER health care insurance plan to cover EVERYBODY (remember that it was Trump who listed those 3 factors that I've place in caps as the reason for voting for him.)

The rest of the civilized planet has long adopted the single-payer system.....and the option has proven cheaper with other countries' citizens having longer lives and less morbidity.

Who would LOSE under such a single payer system???
Insurance companies' CEOs and their board members.

Who would WIN under such a single payer system???
ALL of us.....

the government cant even get vets health care right, Single payer would be a disaster

 

[nat4900]

I'm not interested in any company that doesn't care about profits ... because a company that doesn't care about profits can only stay in business by picking someone else's pockets.

Sure.....compare a car manufacturer's incentive, to the incentive of some HC insurer in denying cancer treatment to some poor slob.

 

[Rustic]

Single payer would be fine only if its 100% voluntary, an "opt in"...
no one should be forced into the cancer that is socialism.

Would you not opt in?

If you say no, how do you plan to pay for medical care should you get sick? And I'm talking cancer, etc...

I don't live life that way, worrying what might or might not happen… That's no way to live. By the way insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

What might or might not happen??

You do know that you will one day get sick right? Do you plan on not seeking medical treatment?

Well if it comes down to money I don't have to worry about it. But the fact remains insurance/single payer is not healthcare… LOL

You have hundreds of thousands of dollars just sitting in the bank in case you get sick?

Why do I somehow doubt that.

I have lots, lots of collectible firearms/antiques... and have been out of debt for 20+ years. Have you ever heard of preventive care? Lol

 

[MeBelle]

What has always amazed me is that right wingers would rather send an ever increasing amount to pay for their HC premium to a private insurance company that ONLY cares about profits.......

........rather than choosing to send a much smaller payment to the federal government (a-la, Medicare) that is not in the "business" of making huge profits over the plan.

Your premise is false. I invest in healthcare companies. Of course I want to make some $ to retire on.


If Medicare is so wonderful, WHY is there Managed Medicare?
Who do you think Managed Medicare benefits financially? The businesses that run managed Medicare.

You should do your research rather than spout off talking points.

 

[fncceo]

Sure.....compare a car manufacturer's incentive, to the incentive of some HC insurer in denying cancer treatment to some poor slob.

If the poor slob didn't purchase coverage ... who cares? What good is an insurance company who goes out of business and leaves millions without coverage?

 

[nat4900]

Who would lose? People would lose. Healthcare would become more scarce, providers would flee.

Yes, "true".....Most doctors and nurses would choose to work as WalMart greeters.......(Hannity would be proud of you parroting him.)

The whole ******* WORLD already has done this....and somehow some American morons "think" that they are better informed.

 

[MeBelle]

Well, you really did not respond to MY post.....but, fine.....

Should we try MY suggestion then in a state like Delaware or Montana, or south Dakota where their respective population is the same or less than Sweden???

Mull THAT over......

No. Sweden is going broke.

Vermont already tried one payer. Google it to see what happened.

 

[Rustic]

Who would lose? People would lose. Healthcare would become more scarce, providers would flee.

Yes, "true".....Most doctors and nurses would choose to work as WalMart greeters.......(Hannity would be proud of you parroting him.)

The whole ******* WORLD already has done this....and somehow some American morons "think" that they are better informed.

The federal government is not the answer to anything but A more fucked up society… ****

 

[JGalt]

Why do they call it "single payer" when everyone pays? If it truly was "single payer", each individual would pay for his or her own health care.

Just another example of how liberals like to distort the meaning of words. Just call it what it is: Communism or Socialism.

 

[MeBelle]

Who would lose? People would lose. Healthcare would become more scarce, providers would flee.

Yes, "true".....Most doctors and nurses would choose to work as WalMart greeters.......(Hannity would be proud of you parroting him.)

The whole ******* WORLD already has done this....and somehow some American morons "think" that they are better informed.

The whole F^cking world is turning away from one payer OR is going broke. Do your research!

 

[nat4900]

**** you Nat. There you go.

WOW........the Owlie really hurt my feelings......LOL

 

[Rustic]

Well, you really did not respond to MY post.....but, fine.....

Should we try MY suggestion then in a state like Delaware or Montana, or south Dakota where their respective population is the same or less than Sweden???

Mull THAT over......

No. Sweden is going broke.

Vermont already tried one payer. Google it to see what happened.

Yup, the "village" has already been tried... and proven to be a failure in every way. Lol