Since Parkland, MANY gun owners embrace reforms

[martybegan]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

 

[DrLove]

Same old lies, that have been refuted enough times before.

Did a little bell go off so you could present another of your size 6 bolded, fact free cut-n-past screeds?

Supreme Court upholds ban on assault rifles like those used in Las Vegas and Texas shootings
The Supreme Court Ruling on the 2nd Amendment Did NOT Grant an Unlimited Right to Own Guns

 

[DrLove]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

What a goofball - such legislation would never in a million years pass.

 

[martybegan]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

What a goofball - such legislation would never in a million years pass.

It's actually the law in NYC...

So is it infringement or not?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Ooooh

Before Parkland, her organization in Georgia had five local groups. Now there are 12. Around 1,800 people showed up to the organization’s annual advocacy day in Atlanta in late February, up from 150 last year. And local chapter meetings used to draw around 30 people on any given night. Now it’s often more than 100 showing up.

Out of 60-70 million gun owners....in about a century you might hit 5% LOL

Sucks to be oblivious to facts I'll bet

Most Gun Owners Support Stricter Laws—Even NRA Members

you'll notice that article does not say gun owners want gun bans or magazine restrictions and the only thing mentioned is more background checks

 

[DrLove]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

What a goofball - such legislation would never in a million years pass.

It's actually the law in NYC...

So is it infringement or not?

Well, if that is the case, it may explain why gun deaths in NYC are at historic lows.

How does NY compare to other states in gun-caused deaths?
New York Has 3rd Fewest Gun Deaths In Nation, Report Shows
NYC saw historically low number of shootings in 2016; murders also down
New York City on pace to record lowest murder tally in decades - CNN

No, it is not an infringement and their laws have been upheld.

 

[martybegan]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

What a goofball - such legislation would never in a million years pass.

It's actually the law in NYC...

So is it infringement or not?

Well, if that is the case, it may explain why gun deaths in NYC are at historic lows.

How does NY compare to other states in gun-caused deaths?
New York Has 3rd Fewest Gun Deaths In Nation, Report Shows
NYC saw historically low number of shootings in 2016; murders also down
New York City on pace to record lowest murder tally in decades - CNN

No, it is not an infringement and their laws have been upheld.

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's. Correlation is not causation.

and by your logic since plessey was upheld it was OK while it was being upheld?

And if Roe gets overturned you are just going to accept that?

It is still an infringement, and when people like you play stupid and try to say it's not, you get the reason why people don't trust gun controllers.

 

[DrLove]

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's..

Wrong again Barrel Breath

NY SAFE Act. In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster, New York shooting, New York became the first U.S. state to enact stricter gun control laws when it passed the NY SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

 

[2aguy]

Same old lies, that have been refuted enough times before.

Did a little bell go off so you could present another of your size 6 bolded, fact free cut-n-past screeds?

Supreme Court upholds ban on assault rifles like those used in Las Vegas and Texas shootings
The Supreme Court Ruling on the 2nd Amendment Did NOT Grant an Unlimited Right to Own Guns

Wrong.....they didn't uphold the ban they didn't decide to hear the case...big difference......you need 4 Justices to vote to hear a case at the Supreme Court, they often wait as long as possible to hear an issue because they want to deal with all of the topics in one go, since they have limited cases they hear each year....you doofus.

I Quoted Scalia, directly on the case of AR-15 civilian rifles.....and you still use those links......

D.C. v Heller,
Caetano v. Massachusetts
Miller v United States
Friedman v Highland Park


They all say you don't know what you are talking about and they all defend all bearable arms as protected by the 2nd Amendment, you doofus....

 

[2aguy]

Is a 6 month waiting period and $500 in fees just to keep a revolver in your apartment infringement or not?

This additional silliness ^ has been brought to you by Marty!

Answer the question. Yes or No.

What a goofball - such legislation would never in a million years pass.

It's actually the law in NYC...

So is it infringement or not?

Well, if that is the case, it may explain why gun deaths in NYC are at historic lows.

How does NY compare to other states in gun-caused deaths?
New York Has 3rd Fewest Gun Deaths In Nation, Report Shows
NYC saw historically low number of shootings in 2016; murders also down
New York City on pace to record lowest murder tally in decades - CNN

No, it is not an infringement and their laws have been upheld.

Because Rudy Giuliani enacted new police techniques in the 1990s that reduced criminal numbers running loose in the city....that's why.....considering that Baltimore, with a tiny population compared to New York, but with even more extreme gun control laws than New York had more gun murders than New York.. And Chicago has the same gun laws as New York and has a higher gun murder rate than L.A. and New York Combined....

You don't know what you are talking about....and when you post things you lie....

2016:
Baltimore population ....614,000, gun murders 318
New York Population...8.6 million, gun murders 335

Don’t Take the Wrong Lessons from NYC’s Murder Drop

New York City’s formerly high-crime neighborhoods have experienced a stunning degree of gentrification over the last 15 years, thanks to the proactive-policing-induced conquest of crime. It is that gentrification which is now helping fuel the ongoing crime drop. Urban hipsters are flocking to areas that once were the purview of drug dealers and pimps, trailing in their wake legitimate commerce and street life, which further attracts law-abiding activity and residents in a virtuous cycle of increasing public safety.

The degree of demographic change is startling.

In Brooklyn’s Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood, for example, the number of white residents rose 1,235 percent from 2000 to 2015, while the black population decreased by 17 percent, reports City Lab.

In Bushwick, Brooklyn, the number of whites rose 610 percent over that same decade and a half; the black population was down 22 percent. Central Harlem’s white population rose 846 percent; the black share dropped 10 percent. In 2000, whites were about three-quarters of the black population in Brownsville-Ocean Hill; by 2015, there were twice as many whites as blacks.

In 2000, whites were one-third of the black population in Crown Heights North and Prospect Heights; now they exceed the black population by 20,000. The Brooklyn Navy Yards has now been declared the next cool place to be by the tech industry. Business owners are moving their residences as well as their enterprises to the area.


This demographic transformation has enormous implications for crime.

A black New Yorker is 50 times more likely to commit a shooting than a white New Yorker, according to perpetrator identifications provided to the police by witnesses to, and victims of, those shootings.

Those victims are overwhelmingly minority themselves.

When the racial balance of a neighborhood changes radically, given those crime disparities, its violent-crime rate will as well. (This racial crime disparity reflects the breakdown of the black family and the high percentage of black males — upwards of 80 percent in some neighborhoods — being raised by single mothers.)

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The high-crime areas of Baltimore and Chicago have not been gentrified. Baltimore is experiencing its highest per capita murder rate for the third year in a row. While Chicago’s homicide numbers are down somewhat this year, thanks to the aggressive use of shot-spotter technology, they remain at a level far higher than in the past decade.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

A majority of gun owners favor the NRA. Membership has skyrocketed andit's money has flowed.

Democrats lie, it's what they do.

 

[2aguy]

Pointless emotional bullshit. The second amendment is law. Period. End of discussion.

In order to have a well-regulated militia. Define that, please

Here...from D.C. v Heller...

2. Prefatory Clause.

The prefatory clause reads: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State . . . .”

a. “Well-Regulated Militia.” In United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, 179 (1939), we explained that “the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense.” That definition comports with founding-era sources. See, e.g., Webster (“The militia of a country are the able bodied men organized into com panies, regiments and brigades . . . and required by law to attend military exercises on certain days only, but at other times left to pursue their usual occupations”); The Feder alist No. 46, pp. 329, 334 (B. Wright ed. 1961) (J. Madison) (“near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands”); Letter to Destutt de Tracy (Jan. 26, 1811), in The Portable Thomas Jefferson 520, 524 (M. Peterson ed. 1975) (“[T]he militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms”).

Petitioners take a seemingly narrower view of the mili tia, stating that “[m]ilitias are the state- and congression ally-regulated military forces described in the Militia Clauses (art. I, §8, cls. 15–16).” Brief for Petitioners 12.


Although we agree with petitioners’ interpretive assump tion that “militia” means the same thing in Article I and the Second Amendment, we believe that petitioners iden tify the wrong thing, namely, the organized militia. Unlike armies and navies, which Congress is given the power to create (“to raise . . . Armies”; “to provide . . . a Navy,” Art. I, §8, cls. 12–13), the militia is assumed by Article I already to be in existence. Congress is given the power to “provide for calling forth the militia,” §8, cl. 15; and the power not to create, but to “organiz[e]” it—and not to organize “a” militia, which is what one would expect if the militia were to be a federal creation, but to organize “the” militia, connoting a body already in existence, ibid., cl. 16. This is fully consistent with the ordinary definition of the militia as all able-bodied men. From that pool, Congress has plenary power to organize the units that will make up an effective fighting force. That is what Con gress did in the first militia Act, which specified that “each and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the re spective states, resident therein, who is or shall be of the age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia.” Act of May 8, 1792, 1 Stat. 271. To be sure, Congress need not conscript every able-bodied man into the militia, because nothing in Article I suggests that in exercising its power to organize, discipline, and arm the militia, Congress must focus upon the entire body. Although the militia consists of all able- bodied men, the federally organized militia may consist of a subset of them.

Finally, the adjective “well-regulated” implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training. See Johnson 1619 (“Regulate”: “To adjust by rule or method”); Rawle 121–122; cf. Va. Declaration of Rights §13 (1776), in 7 Thorpe 3812, 3814 (referring to “a well- regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms”).

 

[martybegan]

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's..

Wrong again Barrel Breath

NY SAFE Act. In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster, New York shooting, New York became the first U.S. state to enact stricter gun control laws when it passed the NY SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

The SAFE act didn't include the stuff I am talking about with regards to revolvers, which flow from the Sullivan Act in the 1930's.

Try actually reading what you reference.

Prove me wrong, **********.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Americans want more pointless gun control about like the world wants more Venezuelan Dictators

The actual number of Americans who actively crave more gun controls is actually VERY small if not insignificant.

It's just that the Loons screaming for bigger government and open borders and spewing all the gun propaganda are hysterical emotional fruitcakes and like Kathy Griffin, have extraordinarily loud mouths.

 

[DrLove]

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's..

Wrong again Barrel Breath

NY SAFE Act. In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster, New York shooting, New York became the first U.S. state to enact stricter gun control laws when it passed the NY SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

The SAFE act didn't include the stuff I am talking about with regards to revolvers, which flow from the Sullivan Act in the 1930's.

Try actually reading what you reference.

Prove me wrong, **********.

The Sullivan Act from 1930s?

Here’s what states have done.

Eight states have enacted some kind of ban on assault weapons. Two other states regulate military-grade firearms. State gun laws are tracked, in detail, by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which lobbies for gun control.

According to the law center, states with the strictest gun control measures have the lowest rates of gun-related deaths. Those states include California, Connecticut, New Jersey and New York. Conversely, states that do not aggressively regulate guns — like Alabama, Alaska and Louisiana — have the highest.

Since then, however, the United States’ highest court has opted to not consider other Second Amendment cases, including in 2016, when it declined to hear challenges to bans on assault weapons in Connecticut and New York. Those state laws were passed after 20 first graders and six adults were killed in a mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

In choosing to not hear those cases, “the justices have given at least tacit approval to broad gun control laws in states and localities that choose to enact them,” wrote Adam Liptak, the legal affairs correspondent for The Times.​

And there is this:

Almost 74% of guns used in New York crimes come from states with weaker gun laws

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Yawn......

Such a NOISY insignificant group you are

Hey, get rid of those corrupt people Like Andrew Cuomo and I'll bet guns would stop rushing into NewYork.
With people like that in power....who can blame them?

And there it is

 

[martybegan]

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's..

Wrong again Barrel Breath

NY SAFE Act. In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster, New York shooting, New York became the first U.S. state to enact stricter gun control laws when it passed the NY SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

The SAFE act didn't include the stuff I am talking about with regards to revolvers, which flow from the Sullivan Act in the 1930's.

Try actually reading what you reference.

Prove me wrong, **********.

The Sullivan Act from 1930s?

Here’s what states have done.

Eight states have enacted some kind of ban on assault weapons. Two other states regulate military-grade firearms. State gun laws are tracked, in detail, by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which lobbies for gun control.

According to the law center, states with the strictest gun control measures have the lowest rates of gun-related deaths. Those states include California, Connecticut, New Jersey and New York. Conversely, states that do not aggressively regulate guns — like Alabama, Alaska and Louisiana — have the highest.

Since then, however, the United States’ highest court has opted to not consider other Second Amendment cases, including in 2016, when it declined to hear challenges to bans on assault weapons in Connecticut and New York. Those state laws were passed after 20 first graders and six adults were killed in a mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

In choosing to not hear those cases, “the justices have given at least tacit approval to broad gun control laws in states and localities that choose to enact them,” wrote Adam Liptak, the legal affairs correspondent for The Times.​

And there is this:

Almost 74% of guns used in New York crimes come from states with weaker gun laws

That isn't germaine to what I asked you. Again, is a 6 month waiting period and a $500 fee schedule just to keep a revolver in your home fair or not? infringement or not?

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Excessive infringement obviously.

But to gun grabbers.....still FAR too lax

The "prize" in their eyes is a totally helpless citizenry completely subject to their rule

 

[2aguy]

Those laws have been around even when the city was a shooting gallery in the 70's and 80's..

Wrong again Barrel Breath

NY SAFE Act. In the wake of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting and the 2012 Webster, New York shooting, New York became the first U.S. state to enact stricter gun control laws when it passed the NY SAFE Act on January 15, 2013.

The SAFE act didn't include the stuff I am talking about with regards to revolvers, which flow from the Sullivan Act in the 1930's.

Try actually reading what you reference.

Prove me wrong, **********.

The Sullivan Act from 1930s?

Here’s what states have done.

Eight states have enacted some kind of ban on assault weapons. Two other states regulate military-grade firearms. State gun laws are tracked, in detail, by the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, which lobbies for gun control.

According to the law center, states with the strictest gun control measures have the lowest rates of gun-related deaths. Those states include California, Connecticut, New Jersey and New York. Conversely, states that do not aggressively regulate guns — like Alabama, Alaska and Louisiana — have the highest.

Since then, however, the United States’ highest court has opted to not consider other Second Amendment cases, including in 2016, when it declined to hear challenges to bans on assault weapons in Connecticut and New York. Those state laws were passed after 20 first graders and six adults were killed in a mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

In choosing to not hear those cases, “the justices have given at least tacit approval to broad gun control laws in states and localities that choose to enact them,” wrote Adam Liptak, the legal affairs correspondent for The Times.​

And there is this:

Almost 74% of guns used in New York crimes come from states with weaker gun laws

You have nothing that supports your point..........


And yet New York has strict gun control...as does Baltimore...yet Baltimore with a tiny population, has a higher gun murder rate than New York, while Chicago, with the same gun laws has a higher gun murder rate than L.A. and New York Combined......

The law center is lying......they say gun related deaths...not murder, genius, because they have to hide they are using suicides to push up their numbers...you doofus....

And no...it doesn't give them tacit approval, it means the Court wants to deal with the issue when there is enough conflict to make it worth their time.....

You Know Less Than You Think About Guns

Do Gun Laws Stop Gun Crimes?

The same week Kristof's column came out, National Journal attracted major media attention with a showy piece of research and analysis headlined "The States With The Most Gun Laws See The Fewest Gun-Related Deaths." The subhead lamented: "But there's still little appetite to talk about more restrictions."

Critics quickly noted that the Journal's Libby Isenstein had included suicides among "gun-related deaths" and suicide-irrelevant policies such as stand-your-ground laws among its tally of "gun laws." That meant that high-suicide, low-homicide states such as Wyoming, Alaska, and Idaho were taken to task for their liberal carry-permit policies. Worse, several of the states with what the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considers terribly lax gun laws were dropped from Isenstein's data set because their murder rates were too low!

Another of National Journal's mistakes is a common one in gun science: The paper didn't look at gun statistics in the context of overall violent crime, a much more relevant measure to the policy debate. After all, if less gun crime doesn't mean less crime overall—if criminals simply substitute other weapons or means when guns are less available—the benefit of the relevant gun laws is thrown into doubt. When Thomas Firey of the Cato Institute ran regressions of Isenstein's study with slightly different specifications and considering all violent crime, each of her effects either disappeared or reversed.

Another recent well-publicized study trying to assert a positive connection between gun laws and public safety was a 2013 JAMA Internal Medicine article by the Harvard pediatrics professor Eric W. Fleegler and his colleagues, called "Firearm Legislation and Firearm-Related Fatalities in the United States." It offered a mostly static comparison of the toughness of state gun laws (as rated by the gun control lobbyists at the Brady Center) with gun deaths from 2007 to 2010.

"States with strictest firearm laws have lowest rates of gun deaths," a Boston Globeheadline then announced. But once again, if you take the simple, obvious step of separating out suicides from murders, the correlations that buttress the supposed causations disappear. As John Hinderaker headlined his reaction at the Power Line blog, "New Study Finds Firearm Laws Do Nothing to Prevent Homicides."

Among other anomalies in Fleegler's research, Hinderaker pointed out that it didn't include Washington, D.C., with its strict gun laws and frequent homicides. If just one weak-gun-law state, Louisiana, were taken out of the equation, "the remaining nine lowest-regulation states have an average gun homicide rate of 2.8 per 100,000, which is 12.5% less than the average of the ten states with the strictest gun control laws," he found.

October interview with Slate and found it wanting: "There have been studies that have essentially toted up the number of laws various states have on the books and examined the association between the number of laws and rates of firearm death," said Wintemute, who is a medical doctor and researcher at the University of California, Davis. "That's really bad science, and it shouldn't inform policymaking."

Wintemute thinks the factor such studies don't adequately consider is the number of people in a state who have guns to begin with, which is generally not known or even well-estimated on levels smaller than national, though researchers have used proxies from subscribers to certain gun-related magazines and percentages of suicides committed with guns to make educated guesses. "Perhaps these laws decrease mortality by decreasing firearm ownership, in which case firearm ownership mediates the association," Wintemute wrote in a 2013 JAMA Internal Medicine paper. "But perhaps, and more plausibly, these laws are more readily enacted in states where the prevalence of firearm ownership is low—there will be less opposition to them—and firearm ownership confounds the association."


Would Cracking Down on Guns in the U.S. Really Reduce Violence? , by Robert VerBruggen, National Review

There is actually no simple correlation between states’ homicide rates and their gun-ownership rates or gun laws.
This has been shown numerous times, by different people, using different data sets.

A year ago, I took state gun-ownership levels reported by the Washington Post (based on a Centers for Disease Control survey) and compared them with murder rates from the FBI: no correlation.

The legal scholar Eugene Volokh has compared states’ gun laws (as rated by the anti-gun Brady Campaign) with their murder rates: no correlation.

David Freddoso of the Washington Examiner, a former National Review reporter, failed to find a correlation even between gun ownership in a state and gun murders specifically, an approach that sets aside the issue of whether gun availability has an effect on non-gun crime. (Guns can deter unarmed criminals, for instance, and criminals without guns may simply switch to other weapons.)


, I recently redid my analysis with a few tweaks. Instead of relying on a single year of survey data, I averaged three years. (The CDC survey, the best available for state-level numbers, included data on gun ownership only in 2001, 2002, and 2004. Those were the years I looked at.)

And instead of comparing CDC data with murder rates from a different agency, I relied on the CDC’s own estimates of death by assault in those years. Again: no correlation.

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Left-leaning media outlets, from Mother Jones to National Journal, get around this absence of correlation by reporting numbers on “gun deaths” rather than gun homicides or homicides in general.
More than 60 percent of gun deaths nationally are suicides, and places with higher gun ownership typically see a higher percentage of their suicides committed with a gun.
Focusing on the number of gun deaths practically guarantees a finding that guns and violence go together. While it may be true that public policy should also seek to reduce suicide, it is homicide — often a dramatic mass killing — that usually prompts the media and politicians to call for gun control, and it is homicide that most influences people as they consider supporting measures to take away their fellow citizens’ access to guns.
There are large gaps among the states when it comes to homicide, with rates ranging all the way from about two to twelve per 100,000 in 2013, the most recent year of data available from the CDC. These disparities show that it’s not just guns that cause the United States to have, on average, a higher rate of homicide than other developed countries do. Not only is there no correlation between gun ownership and overall homicide within a state, but there is a strong correlation between gun homicide and non-gun homicide — suggesting that they spring from similar causes, and that some states are simply more violent than others. A closer look at demographic and geographic patterns provides some clues as to why this is.


Read more at: San Bernardino Shooting: Guns & Homicide Data | [site:name] | National Review

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Dude, that's just silly. SCOTUS has already ruled that states are free to create their own rules and they also upheld the nationwide ban on assault-style weapons. Scalia even agreed that the 2nd amendment is not without limits. Ditto on most amendments.

All that proves is how corrupt and lawless the courts have become. The Supreme Court has never legitimately had the authority to override the Constitution; this is a power that it has illegally usurped.

The Second Amendment is absolutely clear—the people have the right to keep and bear arms, and government is forbidden from infringing this right.