Sigh of Relief

[Flanders]

Is the "parasite class" composed of creditors or debtors?

To georgephillip: Here come the clever questions!

One time answer. Obviously creditors who use the power of government to force American taxpayers to borrow from foreign governments. Hence, foreign governments, the global government crowd, big government advocates, and rank & file parasites reap the financial and ideological rewards derived from excessive taxation. American taxpayers are the debtors.

At least it is voluntary with Mafia loan sharks.

 

[georgephillip]

Is the "parasite class" composed of creditors or debtors?

To georgephillip: Here come the clever questions!

One time answer. Obviously creditors who use the power of government to force American taxpayers to borrow from foreign governments. Hence, foreign governments, the global government crowd, big government advocates, and rank & file parasites reap the financial and ideological rewards derived from excessive taxation. American taxpayers are the debtors.

At least it is voluntary with Mafia loan sharks.

Wall Street tactics include loading the economy (families, governments, and companies) down with high levels of debt, siphon off their income with debt service and then foreclose when debtors lack the means to repay.

"Indebting government gives creditors a lever to pry away land, public infrastructure and other property in the public domain. Indebting companies enables creditors to seize employee pension savings. And Indebting labor means that it no longer is necessary to hire strikebreakers to attack union organizers and strikers."

Tax favoritism for the rich practiced by both wings of the Wall Street Party make mafia loan sharks look almost benign.

The Financial War Against the Economy at Large » Counterpunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Wall Street tactics include loading the economy (families, governments, and companies)

too stupid but perfectly liberal!! You pretend that Wall Street tactics
worked well even when many of the major firms just went bankrupt and many of the remaining are borderline and when the tactic were dictated by liberal government: Fan Fred Fed CRA FHA HUD etc!!

The idiotic liberal 19th Century Marxist babble that requires you to scapegoat Wall Street has the same logic as the Nazis scapegoating the Jews.

 

[Rshermr]

Yup. We should definately keep trying to cut taxes. let's see. We have had the lowest taxes since the 1950's. That worked, right??
Bush 2 cut taxes. Uh, well, yeah, it was the worst recession since the great depression. Probably bad luck.

Clinton raised taxes and spent on stimulative projects. Economy went nuts. Ah, hell, what does that prove??

Bush 1 got to live with the Reagan tax cuts at the end of Reagan's term. Uh, oh yeah. He had to raise taxes, and his economy was bad, real bad. Made Clinton happy, and he coined the phrase "It's the economy. stupid." So, bad example.

Ah, Reagan. He did a really, really major tax cut when he took office, early 1981. Cool, that must have helped. But damn, by late 1982, we had the highest unemployment rate since the great depression, to this date. And the deficit was going up like a rocket.
But Reagan, he knew what to do then, right. Supply side master, reagan. Except he did not decrease taxes this time. He RAISED them 11 times, and did not lower taxes again until the economy was good.

Ah, hell. Some of you really smart cons must have knowledge of when raising taxes did harm to a bad economy, as in when unemployment was high.



Is that crickets I here??? Cmon, cons, put your money where your mouth is.

 

[georgephillip]

Wall Street tactics include loading the economy (families, governments, and companies)

too stupid but perfectly liberal!! You pretend that Wall Street tactics
worked well even when many of the major firms just went bankrupt and many of the remaining are borderline and when the tactic were dictated by liberal government: Fan Fred Fed CRA FHA HUD etc!!

The idiotic liberal 19th Century Marxist babble that requires you to scapegoat Wall Street has the same logic as the Nazis scapegoating the Jews.

Wall Street (including a few rich Jews) backed the Nazis up to and beyond December 7, 1941 unless you think conservative elites like Rockefeller and Morgan, not to mention the Dulles brothers, played no part in the deal that brought your hero. Hitler, to power in January of 1933.

Current Wall Street tactics have worked extremely well since 93% of all economic gains since the "end" of the Great Recession have gone to the richest 1% of all Americans. Banks that were "Too Big to Fail" in 2008 are now "Too Big to Save." If a few small financial fish have to be sacrificed for the greater good of corporate capitalism, conservatives are always happy to let others pay the cost of their good fortunes.

Why are you supporting parasites like those who control Wall Street and the US Government?
Too stupid to know better?

 

[Flanders]

Yup. We should definately keep trying to cut taxes. let's see. We have had the lowest taxes since the 1950's. That worked, right??
Bush 2 cut taxes. Uh, well, yeah, it was the worst recession since the great depression. Probably bad luck.

Clinton raised taxes and spent on stimulative projects. Economy went nuts. Ah, hell, what does that prove??

Bush 1 got to live with the Reagan tax cuts at the end of Reagan's term. Uh, oh yeah. He had to raise taxes, and his economy was bad, real bad. Made Clinton happy, and he coined the phrase "It's the economy. stupid." So, bad example.

Ah, Reagan. He did a really, really major tax cut when he took office, early 1981. Cool, that must have helped. But damn, by late 1982, we had the highest unemployment rate since the great depression, to this date. And the deficit was going up like a rocket.
But Reagan, he knew what to do then, right. Supply side master, reagan. Except he did not decrease taxes this time. He RAISED them 11 times, and did not lower taxes again until the economy was good.

Ah, hell. Some of you really smart cons must have knowledge of when raising taxes did harm to a bad economy, as in when unemployment was high.

Is that crickets I here??? Cmon, cons, put your money where your mouth is.

To Rshermr: Your big government talking points are ludicrous. The other side of the coin is less attractive and infinitely more accurate.

1. A parasite class that continues to grow in leaps and bounds. Note that even the Great One used the word parasite:

I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. Thomas Jefferson

At least fifty percent of the labors performed by the private sector workforce is performed for the “common good” as determined by Socialists/Communists —— in plain English performed for domestic and foreign parasites —— not for themselves or their loved ones.

2. Coerced charity. The thing that annoys me the most about government-dictated charity is that nincompoops like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid truly believe they are more intelligent than America’s Founding Fathers:

Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. - James Madison

The Utopian schemes of re-distribution of the wealth...are as visionary and impractical as those which vest all property in the Crown. - Samuel Adams

3. Socialized medicine and death panels.

Dem braintrust: ‘The Case for Death Panels’
Argues 'elderly not going to live very long anyway'
Published: 14 hours ago
by AARON KLEIN

Dem braintrust:

And isn’t it odd that coerced charity stops short of the elderly?

4. Loss of individual liberties. The government now tells Americans what they must do rather than what they must not do. That includes FORCING Americans to purchase whatever the government orders them to purchase:

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that the individual health insurance mandates included in every health reform bill, which require Americans to have insurance, were “like paying taxes.” He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”

Hoyer Says Constitution

(See the Eric Hoffer quote following my signature.)

5. Open borders that allowed twelve to twenty million illegal immigrants into the country, and every one of them entitled to free education, free medical care, and access to every welfare state program.

6. There’s a lot more for the parasite class to be ashamed of, but I’ll close with your boy Clinton who openly worked to surrender America’s sovereignty to the International community. In this video Hussein’s minions take it further:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUhYX6Crsa4&feature=player_embedded]Def Secretary Panetta tells Senator Sessions U.S. military gets authority from UN or NATO.flv - YouTube[/ame]​

Wall Street (including a few rich Jews) backed the Nazis up to and beyond December 7, 1941 unless you think conservative elites like Rockefeller and Morgan, not to mention the Dulles brothers, played no part in the deal that brought your hero. Hitler, to power in January of 1933.

Current Wall Street tactics have worked extremely well since 93% of all economic gains since the "end" of the Great Recession have gone to the richest 1% of all Americans. Banks that were "Too Big to Fail" in 2008 are now "Too Big to Save." If a few small financial fish have to be sacrificed for the greater good of corporate capitalism, conservatives are always happy to let others pay the cost of their good fortunes.

Why are you supporting parasites like those who control Wall Street and the US Government?
Too stupid to know better?

To georgephillip: The alternative, Stalin & communism, was worse than Hitler & Nazism.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by attacking Wall Street without offering a solution to reining in the excesses of unbridled absentee ownership.

You obviously hate the wealthy, but once in a while I wish one of you big government advocates would address the root cause of your objections:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lu_VqX6J93k]The Creature From Jekyll Island (by G. Edward Griffin) - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Why are you supporting parasites like those who control Wall Street and the US Government?
Too stupid to know better?

please say who the parasites are that control Wall Street and the US Government. Obama is hardly a parasite, he is the most powerful man in the world and as such controls Wall Street and the government more than any human being alive? I don't support him.


See why we are positive a liberal will be 100% slow??

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Yup. We should definately keep trying to cut taxes. let's see. We have had the lowest taxes since the 1950's. That worked, right??

too stupid!! the current depression has nothing to do with taxes, it was due to a liberal housing collapse!! And, we now tax the top 1% for 40% of all federal income tax. Our taxes then are the highest ever, not the lowest. They are even higher than any other country on earth.!!! What planet have you been living on?? Oh and our corporate taxes are also the highest in the world. Ever wonder why libturds encourage them to move off shore that way???

Why not explain how taxing an economy can help it grow?? We all need a good laugh!

Would you choke a man to help him breath?????

 

[georgephillip]

Yup. We should definately keep trying to cut taxes. let's see. We have had the lowest taxes since the 1950's. That worked, right??
Bush 2 cut taxes. Uh, well, yeah, it was the worst recession since the great depression. Probably bad luck.

Clinton raised taxes and spent on stimulative projects. Economy went nuts. Ah, hell, what does that prove??

Bush 1 got to live with the Reagan tax cuts at the end of Reagan's term. Uh, oh yeah. He had to raise taxes, and his economy was bad, real bad. Made Clinton happy, and he coined the phrase "It's the economy. stupid." So, bad example.

Ah, Reagan. He did a really, really major tax cut when he took office, early 1981. Cool, that must have helped. But damn, by late 1982, we had the highest unemployment rate since the great depression, to this date. And the deficit was going up like a rocket.
But Reagan, he knew what to do then, right. Supply side master, reagan. Except he did not decrease taxes this time. He RAISED them 11 times, and did not lower taxes again until the economy was good.

Ah, hell. Some of you really smart cons must have knowledge of when raising taxes did harm to a bad economy, as in when unemployment was high.

Is that crickets I here??? Cmon, cons, put your money where your mouth is.

To Rshermr: Your big government talking points are ludicrous. The other side of the coin is less attractive and infinitely more accurate.

1. A parasite class that continues to grow in leaps and bounds. Note that even the Great One used the word parasite:

I think we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. Thomas Jefferson

At least fifty percent of the labors performed by the private sector workforce is performed for the “common good” as determined by Socialists/Communists —— in plain English performed for domestic and foreign parasites —— not for themselves or their loved ones.

2. Coerced charity. The thing that annoys me the most about government-dictated charity is that nincompoops like Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid truly believe they are more intelligent than America’s Founding Fathers:



3. Socialized medicine and death panels.



And isn’t it odd that coerced charity stops short of the elderly?

4. Loss of individual liberties. The government now tells Americans what they must do rather than what they must not do. That includes FORCING Americans to purchase whatever the government orders them to purchase:

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said that the individual health insurance mandates included in every health reform bill, which require Americans to have insurance, were “like paying taxes.” He added that Congress has “broad authority” to force Americans to purchase other things as well, so long as it was trying to promote “the general welfare.”

Hoyer Says Constitution

(See the Eric Hoffer quote following my signature.)

5. Open borders that allowed twelve to twenty million illegal immigrants into the country, and every one of them entitled to free education, free medical care, and access to every welfare state program.

6. There’s a lot more for the parasite class to be ashamed of, but I’ll close with your boy Clinton who openly worked to surrender America’s sovereignty to the International community. In this video Hussein’s minions take it further:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUhYX6Crsa4&feature=player_embedded]Def Secretary Panetta tells Senator Sessions U.S. military gets authority from UN or NATO.flv - YouTube[/ame]​

Wall Street (including a few rich Jews) backed the Nazis up to and beyond December 7, 1941 unless you think conservative elites like Rockefeller and Morgan, not to mention the Dulles brothers, played no part in the deal that brought your hero. Hitler, to power in January of 1933.

Current Wall Street tactics have worked extremely well since 93% of all economic gains since the "end" of the Great Recession have gone to the richest 1% of all Americans. Banks that were "Too Big to Fail" in 2008 are now "Too Big to Save." If a few small financial fish have to be sacrificed for the greater good of corporate capitalism, conservatives are always happy to let others pay the cost of their good fortunes.

Why are you supporting parasites like those who control Wall Street and the US Government?
Too stupid to know better?

To georgephillip: The alternative, Stalin & communism, was worse than Hitler & Nazism.

Don’t throw the baby out with the bath water by attacking Wall Street without offering a solution to reining in the excesses of unbridled absentee ownership.

You obviously hate the wealthy, but once in a while I wish one of you big government advocates would address the root cause of your objections:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=lu_VqX6J93k]The Creature From Jekyll Island (by G. Edward Griffin) - YouTube[/ame]​

Flanders...I think you're offering a false dichotomy when you imply we faced a choice between Hitler and Stalin when Pearl Harbor was attacked since the two dictators were on the same side at that point.

There is an authentic third way; however, it might well require "big" government to come into existence.

I don't really hate the wealthy as much as I hate their influence over every government that has ever existed. FWIW, I see the Federal Reserve as a primary instrument used by the rich to maintain control over the US government.

Finally, I don't see any way to dissolve the Fed's control as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I don't see any way to dissolve the Fed's control as long as US voters continue "choosing" between Republican OR Democrat in the voting booth.

1) do you want the Girl Scouts to control monetary policy? Do you even know what monetary policy is??

PS Republicans want a gold standard again and at worst they want a very hard money policy while Democrats have always wanted an easy money policy to help their unemployed and indebted constituencies.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I don't really hate the wealthy as much as I hate their influence over every government that has ever existed.

government is only worth controlling when it is a big powerful liberal government. Now you know your ABC's too. Sorry

 

[Flanders]

georgephillip;6597149

Flanders...I think you're offering a false dichotomy when you imply we faced a choice between Hitler and Stalin when Pearl Harbor was attacked since the two dictators were on the same side at that point.

To georgephillip: Which side was that? Hitler invaded Russia in June of 1941.

Then-Senator Harry Truman had it right when he said:

"If we see that Germany is winning we ought to help Russia and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way let them kill as many as possible, although I don't want to see Hitler victorious under any circumstances. Neither of them thinks anything of their pledged word."

georgephillip;6597149

There is an authentic third way; however, it might well require "big" government to come into existence.

To georgephillip: There is never any justification for permanent big government. Even during times of war temporary big government should be restricted to fighting the enemy, and it should be dissolved immediately after the war ends rather than be allowed to grow and make war on its own citizens —— which is what has been happening since the end of WWII.

 

[georgephillip]

Thanks for pointing out my error without beating me to death with it.

I would have to disagree about big government (democracy) as long as big corporations (fascists) continue to dominate the global economy.

"Then the courts and the corporate lawyers came along and created a whole new body of doctrine which gave corporations authority and power that they never had before. If you look at the background of it, it's the same background that led to fascism and Bolshevism..."

"Out of that same background came three major things: fascism, Bolshevism, and corporate tyranny.

"They all grew out of the same more or less Hegelian roots.

"It's fairly recent. We think of corporations as immutable, but they were designed. It was a conscious design which worked as Adam Smith said: the principal architects of policy consolidate state power and use it for their interests. It was certainly not popular will. It's basically court decisions and lawyers' decisions, which created a form of private tyranny which is now more massive in many ways than even state tyranny was."

Education is Ignorance, by Noam Chomsky (Excerpted from Class Warfare)

 

[georgephillip]

I don't really hate the wealthy as much as I hate their influence over every government that has ever existed.

government is only worth controlling when it is a big powerful liberal government. Now you know your ABC's too. Sorry

What role do corporations play in your economic universe?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I don't really hate the wealthy as much as I hate their influence over every government that has ever existed.

government is only worth controlling when it is a big powerful liberal government. Now you know your ABC's too. Sorry

What role do corporations play in your economic universe?

They provide our jobs, invent our health care, and generally developed the products that got us from the Stone Age to here. They are like modern Gods, only these are truly Gods that sustain our lives and hold incredible promise for an incredible future.

The 18th Century Marxist stuff turned out to be as stupid and deadly as anything conceived by human kind; yet common sense and the 100 million dead don't stop liberals from parroting it still. Go figure.

 

[georgephillip]

Human labor has lifted us from the stone age in spite of totalitarian parasites like gods.
Human demand creates jobs which provide health care and all other goods and services.
Corporations are private tyrannies which extract wealth for the benefit of Goldman Sachs.
And I'm sure Goldman Sachs is doing god's work in your world.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Human labor has lifted us from the stone age in spite of totalitarian parasites like gods.

too completely stupid and liberal !! There was plenty of human labor for a million years before Adam Smith invented capitalism and corporations 200 years ago. Guess what??? more progress in the last 200 than the previous 1 million despite all the human labor that was always available. You are the perfect idiot liberal! Brainwashed so completely you have no idea what happend to you!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Human demand creates jobs

OMG!! 100% brain dead. If so there would have been many jobs and much wealth and economic progress for the 1 million years before Adam Smith invented capitalism and corporations!!!

See why we are 100% positve a liberal will be slow?? What other conclusion is possible???

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Corporations are private tyrannies which extract wealth for the benefit of Goldman Sachs.

actually Apple invented the Iphone and I have one that Goldman Sachs apparently did not get??? It seems to me the wealth came to me. Similiarly, Henry Ford got only $1.49 per car for himself but enabled 10's of millions to acquire auto wealth valued at $2000 per car. Got it??? Under capitalism the the car sells for $2000 but only $1.49 of that goes to the owner, the rest goes to workers, suppliers, sales people etc. And not one single person participates unless they are sure they are better off from participation as workers buyer owner supplier. Now you can see how capitalism transformed earth in just 200 years!!

Econ 101 for you!

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

extract wealth for the benefit of Goldman Sachs.
And I'm sure Goldman Sachs is doing god's work in your world.

any examples?? Keep in mind Goldman is one of about 100 million corporations world wide . I can't imagine how its all for their benefit??
When you think about it I'm sure you cant either- right??