Should trans-gender nudity be forced on 13 year old females?

[JBG]

The majority opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the second highest court for the Pacific rim states, in OLYMPUS SPA; et al., Plaintiffs - Appellants, v. ANDRETA ARMSTRONG, Exec. Dir. of the Washington State Hum. Rts. Comm'n & MADISON IMIOLA, Defendants - Appellees., No. 23-4031, 2026 WL 700882, affirmed a Washington State statute that was enforced to require a nude, female-only spa to admit males who consider themselves females. I am highlighting the dissenting opinion, omitting certain language that appears in a published judicial decision that may violate TOS (complete language may be obtained by viewing decision or the blog discussion). I think, shorn of this language, the dissent by Judge Vandyke gets it right:

OWENS, Circuit Judge, joined by FORREST, Circuit Judge, respecting the denial of rehearing en banc:

Regarding the dissenting opinion of Judge VanDyke: We are better than this.
VANDYKE, Circuit Judge, dissenting from the denial of rehearing en banc:
This is a case about (omitted language). The Christian owners of Olympus Spa—a traditional Korean, women-only, nude spa—understandably don't want them in their spa. Their female employees and female clients don't want them in their spa either. But Washington State insists on them. And now so does the Ninth Circuit.
You may think that (omitted language) shouldn't appear in a judicial opinion. You're not wrong. But as much as you might understandably be shocked and displeased to merely encounter that phrase in this opinion, I hope we all can agree that it is far more jarring for the unsuspecting and exposed women at Olympus Spa—some as young as thirteen—to be visually assaulted by the real thing.
*22 Sometimes, it feels like the supposed adults in the room have collectively lost their minds. Woke regulators and complicit judges seem entirely willing, even eager, to ignore the consequences that their Frankenstein social experiments impose on real women and young girls. Yet if harmful and unfortunate consequences were all this case was about, we'd have to shrug and say: “That's what comes with living in a democracy.” Unless the Constitution is implicated, we get what we voted for “good and (omitted language).”1

OLYMPUS SPA; et al., Plaintiffs - Appellants, v. ANDRETA ARMSTRONG, Exec. Dir. of the Washington State Hum. Rts. Comm'n & MADISON IMIOLA, Defendants - Appellees., No. 23-4031, 2026 WL 700882, at *21–22 (9th Cir. Mar. 12, 2026)

Above the Law - A Legal Web Site writes in ‘We Are Better Than This,’ Say Ninth Circuit Judges Despite All Evidence To The Contrary :

Judge Lawrence VanDyke of the Ninth Circuit, is an unqualified hack. The ABA noted as much when it rated him “not qualified” upon his nomination, calling him “arrogant, lazy, an ideologue, and lacking in knowledge of the day-to-day practice including procedural rules.” In response, the second Trump administration banned the ABA’s input on judicial qualifications. He has since spent his tenure confirming their prescience with a string of unhinged and juvenile dissents that have compared his colleagues to criminals, insulted them as “possessed,” and prompted pointed rebukes from his own court.

I personally believe that SCOTUS’s decision in the case which held that the State of Colorado could not force a bakery to bake a cake celebrating a gay marriage excuses private businesses from having to allow patently offensive conduct on their premises. I do not believe that minor children should be exposed to cross-gender nudity either in furtherance of a “Frankenstein social experiment.”

 

[Hafar1014]

9th circuit is the most overturned court in the country

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I say YES!!!



As long as there is a box of Felco pruners next to the entrance made available for the women who are offended.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Any underage child and his/her parent must be protected from exposure to sexual deviancy.

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[Hafar1014]

Any underage child and his/her parent must be free from exposure to sexual deviancy.

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Thats a good point I didnt think of that

 

[Slade3200]

The majority opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the second highest court for the Pacific rim states, in OLYMPUS SPA; et al., Plaintiffs - Appellants, v. ANDRETA ARMSTRONG, Exec. Dir. of the Washington State Hum. Rts. Comm'n & MADISON IMIOLA, Defendants - Appellees., No. 23-4031, 2026 WL 700882, affirmed a Washington State statute that was enforced to require a nude, female-only spa to admit males who consider themselves females. I am highlighting the dissenting opinion, omitting certain language that appears in a published judicial decision that may violate TOS (complete language may be obtained by viewing decision or the blog discussion). I think, shorn of this language, the dissent by Judge Vandyke gets it right:


Above the Law - A Legal Web Sitewrites in ‘We Are Better Than This,’ Say Ninth Circuit Judges Despite All Evidence To The Contrary:

I personally believe that SCOTUS’s decision in the case which held that the State of Colorado could not force a bakery to bake a cake celebrating a gay marriage excuses private businesses from having to allow patently offensive conduct on their premises. I do not believe that minor children should be exposed to cross-gender nudity either in furtherance of a “Frankenstein social experiment.”

Is anybody actually trying to promote forced nude exposure to children? Or are you just making up another strawman ?

 

[buckeye]

Is anybody actually trying to promote forced nude exposure to children? Or are you just making up another strawman ?

Read the link. It's a Korean tradition for women and girls to go to these spas and be naked. It's their business.

Why do you want deviant naked men to be allowed in there and forced on them?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The majority opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the second highest court for the Pacific rim states, in OLYMPUS SPA; et al., Plaintiffs - Appellants, v. ANDRETA ARMSTRONG, Exec. Dir. of the Washington State Hum. Rts. Comm'n & MADISON IMIOLA, Defendants - Appellees., No. 23-4031, 2026 WL 700882, affirmed a Washington State statute that was enforced to require a nude, female-only spa to admit males who consider themselves females. I am highlighting the dissenting opinion, omitting certain language that appears in a published judicial decision that may violate TOS (complete language may be obtained by viewing decision or the blog discussion). I think, shorn of this language, the dissent by Judge Vandyke gets it right:


Above the Law - A Legal Web Sitewrites in ‘We Are Better Than This,’ Say Ninth Circuit Judges Despite All Evidence To The Contrary:

I personally believe that SCOTUS’s decision in the case which held that the State of Colorado could not force a bakery to bake a cake celebrating a gay marriage excuses private businesses from having to allow patently offensive conduct on their premises. I do not believe that minor children should be exposed to cross-gender nudity either in furtherance of a “Frankenstein social experiment.”

Trans women's penises should be allowed in women's locker rooms and bathrooms, obviously.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Is anybody actually trying to promote forced nude exposure to children?

Only the left.

 

[Anarchy666]

The left is infested with pedophiles and child rapists.

 

[BS Filter]

Is anybody actually trying to promote forced nude exposure to children? Or are you just making up another strawman ?

Yes, many people want children exposed to every imaginable deviance they can think of.

 

[Dragonlady]

The majority opinion of the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the second highest court for the Pacific rim states, in OLYMPUS SPA; et al., Plaintiffs - Appellants, v. ANDRETA ARMSTRONG, Exec. Dir. of the Washington State Hum. Rts. Comm'n & MADISON IMIOLA, Defendants - Appellees., No. 23-4031, 2026 WL 700882, affirmed a Washington State statute that was enforced to require a nude, female-only spa to admit males who consider themselves females. I am highlighting the dissenting opinion, omitting certain language that appears in a published judicial decision that may violate TOS (complete language may be obtained by viewing decision or the blog discussion). I think, shorn of this language, the dissent by Judge Vandyke gets it right:


Above the Law - A Legal Web Sitewrites in ‘We Are Better Than This,’ Say Ninth Circuit Judges Despite All Evidence To The Contrary:

I personally believe that SCOTUS’s decision in the case which held that the State of Colorado could not force a bakery to bake a cake celebrating a gay marriage excuses private businesses from having to allow patently offensive conduct on their premises. I do not believe that minor children should be exposed to cross-gender nudity either in furtherance of a “Frankenstein social experiment.”

That's not what the SC said about the baker and the cake. They referred the case back to the lower court on the grounds that the court was prejudiced against the baker and that a fairer hearing should be held.

Why are you so obsessed with trans people???? This is disgusting.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Yes, many people want children exposed to every imaginable deviance they can think of.

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many people

I guess you could call them that.

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[BS Filter]

That's not what the SC said about the baker and the cake. They referred the case back to the lower court on the grounds that the court was prejudiced against the baker and that a fairer hearing should be held.

Why are you so obsessed with trans people???? This is disgusting.

Trannies need psychological help, not surgery.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yes, many people want children exposed to every imaginable deviance they can think of.

Yes, Donald Trump was very keen to expose young women to his perversion.

 

[Dragonlady]

Trannies need psychological help, not surgery.

What did you get your medical degree, with a specialty in gender issues???

Unless you have this training, you're not qualified to make this assessment.

 

[BS Filter]

Yes, Donald Trump was very keen to expose young women to his perversion.

The President isn't the topic here. Get some psychological help for your TDS.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Trannies need psychological help, not surgery.

Exactly. They have mental issues.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Exactly. They have mental issues.

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That's what the facilities that currently hold the illegals awaiting deportation will be used for when they're all deported -- Make Asylums Great Again.

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[Eman623]

I'm saddened that the OP redacted "swinging dicks". This is part of the dissent, which is public record and should totally be part of the discussion.