Should The Government Cut Back On Welfare Benefits or Should They Be More Generous?

[danielpalos]

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

what if we have to compare apples and oranges?

 

[danielpalos]

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

No, nothing you work for is free. Free is something that you receive without paying for it.

How does that work under socialism for free?

 

[kaz]

It is EXACTLY the same thing
Why should you pay lower taxes than someone with no kids? Why should he pay to raise your kids
You are like a welfare mother with society paying to help raise your kids
Freeloader

Are you really that stupid or are you just being a left wing asshole (pardon the redundancy)? Probably both.

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

 

[kaz]

It is EXACTLY the same thing
Why should you pay lower taxes than someone with no kids? Why should he pay to raise your kids
You are like a welfare mother with society paying to help raise your kids
Freeloader

Are you really that stupid or are you just being a left wing asshole (pardon the redundancy)? Probably both.

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

That's a different point altogether and IMO a legitimate one. But it still doesn't make my deduction a hand out. That is absurd nonsense.

If I work next to you doing the same job and you get to keep more of your salary than I do......you bet your ass it's a handout

But if you get a bigger welfare check, it isn't, Comrade RW

 

[kaz]

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

Begging the question

 

[kaz]

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

If you are a Marxist. You are, Comrade RW, and that's fine, but you have to acknowledge that is your standard or no one knows what you are talking about

 

[rightwinger]

Are you really that stupid or are you just being a left wing asshole (pardon the redundancy)? Probably both.

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

Strawman

 

[rightwinger]

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

If you are a Marxist. You are, Comrade RW, and that's fine, but you have to acknowledge that is your standard or no one knows what you are talking about

More Strawman

 

[kaz]

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

Strawman

That makes no sense. I am telling you the fallacy you are committing, you are just making one up

 

[kaz]

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

If you are a Marxist. You are, Comrade RW, and that's fine, but you have to acknowledge that is your standard or no one knows what you are talking about

More Strawman

So that would be an obese strawman? Or is it muscle?

 

[danielpalos]

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

The only way you can compare the two is if you look it as all money is governments first, and anything they allow you to keep is a gift from them.

That's not the way it is. It's my money first--not governments. Until you accept the concept, then you will always have a hard time deciphering between a handout and a reduction. A reduction (or write-off) is where government takes less of what you have. A handout is when they don't take anything from you, but instead, give.

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

No, nothing you work for is free. Free is something that you receive without paying for it.

Under Any form of Capitalism, time is money.

 

[danielpalos]

Are you really that stupid or are you just being a left wing asshole (pardon the redundancy)? Probably both.

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

only if you are on your knees and just say, please.

 

[kaz]

It's always hard to tell with Comrade RW, isn't it? Post after post and he can't address the point made that government not taking our money is not giving us money. He just keeps spewing Marxist rhetoric

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

only if you are on your knees and just say, please.

Cucumber salad

 

[rightwinger]

You owe money to the government. That is the way it works in all societies.
If you get to pay less into the government than someone doing the same job, you are getting a freebie

In the end, you get more money in your pocket net

No, you don't GET more money, you get to keep more of your money.

Net result= more money in your pocket= freebie

If you are a Marxist. You are, Comrade RW, and that's fine, but you have to acknowledge that is your standard or no one knows what you are talking about

More Strawman

So that would be an obese strawman? Or is it muscle?

Please refrain from the strawmen and stay on topic

 

[danielpalos]

You have to contribute to society. If you and I both make $80 k a year, why do you keep more of your check because you have a house and kids

irrelevant to the point being discussed and doesn't contradict anything I said

Completely relevant

Your tax deductions are equivalent to handouts. You are no better than a welfare mother getting help to take care of her family

Begging the question, you are still not addressing the point

only if you are on your knees and just say, please.

Cucumber salad

Word salad until i meet my quota on a daily basis.

 

[quorthon]

You can't constitutionally do that, but what you can do is make sterilization a requirement to get government benefits.

You can't even think like that, prick. It's unhuman, doesn't matter how strong is your hatred of welfare recipients. They're people just like you. I wouldn't share a foxhole with you.

 

[kaz]

You can't constitutionally do that, but what you can do is make sterilization a requirement to get government benefits.

You can't even think like that, prick. It's unhuman, doesn't matter how strong is your hatred of welfare recipients. They're people just like you. I wouldn't share a foxhole with you.

Yes, you don't hate poor people, you love them. So you create as many of them as you can...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can't constitutionally do that, but what you can do is make sterilization a requirement to get government benefits.

You can't even think like that, prick. It's unhuman, doesn't matter how strong is your hatred of welfare recipients. They're people just like you. I wouldn't share a foxhole with you.

Inhuman?

Let me ask, what do working people do when they need to stop having children due to their limited income? That's right, they get fixed. So I'm not saying welfare people should do anything different than working people do, it's just that working people are responsible enough to do it on their own.

You said it yourself: they are people just like me, so they should be treated just as I treat myself.

 

[danielpalos]

You can't constitutionally do that, but what you can do is make sterilization a requirement to get government benefits.

You can't even think like that, prick. It's unhuman, doesn't matter how strong is your hatred of welfare recipients. They're people just like you. I wouldn't share a foxhole with you.

Yes, you don't hate poor people, you love them. So you create as many of them as you can...

Hammock

 

[quorthon]

You said it yourself: they are people just like me, so they should be treated just as I treat myself.

Have you castrated yourself? Or, if you lose your job, would you castrate yourself?