Zone1 Should Lives of Profoundly Disabled Children Be Sustained?

[Carl in Michigan]

You should get a job, you seem to have way too much time on your hands in retirement.

And here YOU are

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Hypocrite ghoul.

Why?

 

[The Duke]

I really struggle with this one.

Some profoundly disabled children can neither eat nor breathe on their own, but are on a trach (and sometimes a vent) and GI feeding tube. Many are also not mobile and have no means of communication. These are the children I'm talking about here, not those who, with supports, can lead meaningful lives (which includes most disabilities).

I struggle with how far we should take life-saving measures at a child's birth, and to what end. We have DNR for the end of life, because we recognize that many times, sustaining life artificially is cruel.

If a baby is born and it's clear this child will never breathe or eat on their own, will face multiple surgeries and a lifetime of treatment--for whose benefit are we prolonging life? I recognize parents' heartbreak, and the urge to cling to small hope of a miracle, no matter how small. But when I see these children, permanently attached to tubes and wheelchairs, I am morally conflicted.

What are your thoughts?

America is not the home of Aktion T-4. No.
We have Shriners and Ronald McDonald house here.
And they are good things.

 

[SweetSue92]

America is not the home of Aktion T-4. No.
We have Shriners and Ronald McDonald house here.
And they are good things.

I think many people are virtual signaling and missing the point here.

I'm not talking about kids with cancer, limb differences, blindness, CP, etc. Diseases that can be cured/treated/mitigated.

I'm talking children unable to move much, unable to breathe or eat on their own, hooked up to machines and undergoing endless surgeries. Kids who, left alone at birth, would die within minutes. Again, not premature babies who will outgrow their high needs. Children who will never NOT have high needs.

People don't want to think about this, so they just compare it to Nazi Germany.

Not even close.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I think many people are virtual signaling and missing the point here.

I'm not talking about kids with cancer, limb differences, blindness, CP, etc. Diseases that can be cured/treated/mitigated.

I'm talking children unable to move much, unable to breathe or eat on their own, hooked up to machines and undergoing endless surgeries. Kids who, left alone at birth, would die within minutes. Again, not premature babies who will outgrow their high needs. Children who will never NOT have high needs.

People don't want to think about this, so they just compare it to Nazi Germany.

Not even close.

What percentage are these kids? Any statistics?

 

[SweetSue92]

What percentage are these kids? Any statistics?

I have no idea, but it's strange to me that we recognize that adults who can be kept alive but have no quality of life whatsoever have DNRs. I'm not sure it's moral to subject babies in the same category to the very same fate, but years and years longer.

 

[Unkotare]

I have no idea, but it's strange to me that we recognize that adults who can be kept alive but have no quality of life whatsoever have DNRs. I'm not sure it's moral to subject babies in the same category to the very same fate, but years and years longer.

Scumbag.

 

[SweetSue92]

What percentage are these kids? Any statistics?

PS

There are a few notable cases on social media, and people are often leaving comments like "it's cruel to keep this child alive like this". I would never say that to a parent or family member which is why I'm not linking specific cases here, on the off chance they'd see it. But I do wonder the same thing.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Scumbag.

You should try providing your answers instead of attacking someone asking questions.

 

[SweetSue92]

You should try providing your answers instead of attacking someone asking questions.

He's still mad at me for calling him out when he was posting here all day rather than teaching...or should I say "teaching".

 

[LibertyWeeps]

I will just say this.............

People put down lame animals and animals they feel they cannot afford to keep alive.
Yet, humans that serve no purpose other than to waste billions of dollars in resources a year are kep alive by any means.
Does THAT make any sense?



What NEEDS to happen, is breeders being tagged and licensed, in order to be able TO breed.
This way, their DNA and everything else, can be tested to see what possibilities could result in that breeding.
And those who are not mentally able to cope with child rearing would be denied.
Same as those who cannot afford it would be denied.

And yes, there would have to be some harsh punishments for those who bred without a license.

 

[Unkotare]

I will just say this.............

People put down lame animals and animals they feel they cannot afford to keep alive.
Yet, humans that serve no purpose other than to waste billions of dollars in resources a year are kep alive by any means.
Does THAT make any sense?



What NEEDS to happen, is breeders being tagged and licensed, in order to be able TO breed.
This way, their DNA and everything else, can be tested to see what possibilities could result in that breeding.
And those who are not mentally able to cope with child rearing would be denied.
Same as those who cannot afford it would be denied.

And yes, there would have to be some harsh punishments for those who bred without a license.

 

[Unkotare]

He's still mad at me for calling him out when he was posting here all day rather than teaching...or should I say "teaching".

Good thing you finally quit.

 

[Unkotare]

I will just say this.............

People put down lame animals ...

...says the lame animal.

 

[LibertyWeeps]

...says the lame animal.

Oh there he goes...........projecting..........