Should Iran Be Allowed To Have Nuclear Weapons?

[kyzr]

Okay, I'm about to demonstrate why I don't do links.

Because they don't support your lie that the bombs were not needed?
There were "unofficial feelers" by Japan, but no true offers of unconditional surrender.

Japan Would Not Have Surrendered Without the Atomic Bombs - Providence

Despite seeming to be on the verge of defeat in August, 1945, the truth is that the Japanese military still had every intent to fanatically fight on against any Allied invasion

providencemag.com

Did the Japanese offer to surrender before Hiroshima? (Part 1)

Did the Japanese offer to surrender before Hiroshima? Short answer: no. Long answer: also no, but it's a bit complicated.

blog.nuclearsecrecy.com

 

[Mac-7]

If you think that nuclear weapons are magic wands, or demonic things - think one more time. There is nothing supernatural in nukes, and there is no moral difference between conventional and nuclear weapons.

World's majority (including some of yoir neighbours) wouldn't agree with

I don't believe in "lowest" and "highest" forms of humanity.

I don't believe in "lowest" and "highest" forms of humanity.

I do

Guess where I place muslim terrorist regimes and their apologists on my list?

 

[JoeB131]

You mean read the revisionist history written by America hating libs

I’ve heard it all many times before

Dropping the atomic bomb forced Japan to surrender and saved a million lives on both sides

Nope.

The bombs had little to do with Japan's surrender.

Japan surrendered because after the USSR entered the war, they had no chance of a peace agreement that let them keep some of their empire.

The best they could hope for was not being partitioned like Germany was.

 

[JoeB131]

Because they don't support your lie that the bombs were not needed?
There were "unofficial feelers" by Japan, but no true offers of unconditional surrender.

They were completely unnecessary.

The fact is, once the USSR entered the game, the US gave up on it's demands that Hirohito be held accountable. Funny how that worked.

You see, the real prize wasn't Japan. The real prize was China.

Japan's goal was to maintain her puppet states of Manchuko, Mengjiang, and the Reformed Republic of China.

When the Red Army swept into Manchuria, it was pretty clear they would take the whole board. We knew Chiang Kai-shek was as useless as tits on a bull. Six more months of the war to carry out Operation Downfall would have been six months of the USSR rampaging through China.

 

[MarathonMike]

They were completely unnecessary.

The fact is, once the USSR entered the game, the US gave up on it's demands that Hirohito be held accountable. Funny how that worked.

You see, the real prize wasn't Japan. The real prize was China.

Japan's goal was to maintain her puppet states of Manchuko, Mengjiang, and the Reformed Republic of China.

When the Red Army swept into Manchuria, it was pretty clear they would take the whole board. We knew Chiang Kai-shek was as useless as tits on a bull. Six more months of the war to carry out Operation Downfall would have been six months of the USSR rampaging through China.

Japan during WWII was led by a military dictatorship headed by Tojo. Hirohito was essentially a figurehead until he finally found his backbone and surrendered unconditionally after the saturation bombing campaigns and the two A-bombs dropping.

Tojo was a nut job very similar to Putin. He had a dream of Japan leading a new nation "Greater East Asia". It was the combined effect of the Soviet Union entering the war and the two atomic bombs that drove Hirohito to surrender. Tojo opposed the surrender but took no action against Hirohito.

 

[JoeB131]

Japan during WWII was led by a military dictatorship headed by Tojo. Hirohito was essentially a figurehead until he finally found his backbone and surrendered unconditionally after the saturation bombing campaigns and the two A-bombs dropping.

Tojo was a nut job very similar to Putin. He had a dream of Japan leading a new nation "Greater East Asia". It was the combined effect of the Soviet Union entering the war and the two atomic bombs that drove Hirohito to surrender. Tojo opposed the surrender but took no action against Hirohito.

Dude, that's not really accurate. Japan during WWII still had elections (albeit only men could vote) and a parliament called a Diet. Tojo wasn't a dictator. In fact, he was dismissed as Prime Minister by the Emperor in 1944 after Japan's defeat at the Battle of Saipan.

The notion that Hirohito wasn't an enthusiastic participant and instigator of the war is a polite fiction we came up with after the war to retain him in power, because it was easier to run the country with an Emperor.

 

[MarathonMike]

Dude, that's not really accurate. Japan during WWII still had elections (albeit only men could vote) and a parliament called a Diet. Tojo wasn't a dictator. In fact, he was dismissed as Prime Minister by the Emperor in 1944 after Japan's defeat at the Battle of Saipan.

The notion that Hirohito wasn't an enthusiastic participant and instigator of the war is a polite fiction we came up with after the war to retain him in power, because it was easier to run the country with an Emperor.

Dude my summation is quite accurate. Hirohito played along with Tojo and the military dictatorship until they were weakened, late into WW II. He finally waived the white flag much to the chagrin of Tojo and the military command.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Seems like some here are OK with Iran having nuclear weapons. So, I thought it would be interesting to see how many with a poll and how many are against. Pretty much every single country in the world (191 out of 195) has signed the nuclear weapons non proliferation treaty, including Iran.

Israel, one of the 4 non-signers

Also, who needs nukes when you can take out all of the GCC nations with well targeted ballistic missiles?

 

[JoeB131]

Dude my summation is quite accurate. Hirohito played along with Tojo and the military dictatorship until they were weakened, late into WW II. He finally waived the white flag much to the chagrin of Tojo and the military command.

Tojo had been gone for a year before the white flag got waved.

Hirohito was no puppet. He was an instigator.

 

[Mac-7]

Israel, one of the 4 non-signers

Also, who needs nukes when you can take out all of the GCC nations with well targeted ballistic missiles?

I agree that the missiles are a threat unto themselves

Thats why dont want a ceasefire till the jihadi government falls

 

[ChristisKing]

I'm 77. How old are you?

I'm guessing that he's below the double digits and to answer the thread question, HELL NO!!!!

 

[ChristisKing]

I'll let Trump speak for himself. His words ... not mine. You can believe him or not. No skin off my nose.

Yep, his own words say that he's going to stop wars which is exactly what he's doing now.

 

[kyzr]

The bombs were completely unnecessary.
The fact is, once the USSR entered the game, the US gave up on it's demands that Hirohito be held accountable. Funny how that worked.
You see, the real prize wasn't Japan. The real prize was China.

The US NEVER wanted Hirohito prosecuted, but Japan had to surrender "unconditionally". Copilot says:

Japan's goal was to maintain her puppet states of Manchuko, Mengjiang, and the Reformed Republic of China.
When the Red Army swept into Manchuria, it was pretty clear they would take the whole board. We knew Chiang Kai-shek was as useless as tits on a bull. Six more months of the war to carry out Operation Downfall would have been six months of the USSR rampaging through China.

The US demanded unconditional surrender, so your posit that Japan wanted to keep her "Chinese puppet states" was nonsense.
Russia knew Japan was done so just took Manchuria as a gift to itself, NFW Russia wanted to invade China, Copilot agrees:

The decision for Truman was simple, two or three A-bombs or a million US casualties, and millions more Japanese killed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I agree that the missiles are a threat unto themselves

Thats why dont want a ceasefire till the jihadi government falls

The falling governments might not be the ones you’re rooting to fall

Our vampire defense contractors are calling this disaster a “golden opportunity”

 

[JoeB131]

Guy, I didn't come here to argue with CoPilot.

Some of you think AI makes you look smarter, when it makes you look dumber.

The US NEVER wanted Hirohito prosecuted, but Japan had to surrender "unconditionally". Copilot says:

During the war, people absolutely wanted him prosecuted. The decision to keep him on the throne was made after the war ended. So in many ways, the Tokyo Trials of 1946 were a whitewash, to try to rehabilitate Hirohito's reputation.

The US demanded unconditional surrender, so your posit that Japan wanted to keep her "Chinese puppet states" was nonsense.
Russia knew Japan was done so just took Manchuria as a gift to itself, NFW Russia wanted to invade China, Copilot agrees:

The US demanded unconditional surrender for all the Axis Powers, because there was a belief that merely giving Germany an armistice after WWI led to the Nazis.

That said, before Japan surrendered, the US and USSR were jockeying for position. The British Empire was trying to save itself after it had to tap into its colonies to win the war. The Republic of China was exposed as a basket case. (Which is why it fell to the Communists four years after the war ended.)

Japan had hoped that a negotiated peace would leave it in a solid position within the "Co-Prosperity Sphere" of various puppet states and allies across Asia.

 

[kyzr]

Guy, I didn't come here to argue with CoPilot.
Some of you think AI makes you look smarter, when it makes you look dumber.

LOL. Facts are stubborn things.

During the war, people absolutely wanted him prosecuted. The decision to keep him on the throne was made after the war ended. So in many ways, the Tokyo Trials of 1946 were a whitewash, to try to rehabilitate Hirohito's reputation.

meh

The US demanded unconditional surrender for all the Axis Powers, because there was a belief that merely giving Germany an armistice after WWI led to the Nazis.

We were discussing Truman's correct decision to use the A-bomb.

That said, before Japan surrendered, the US and USSR were jockeying for position. The British Empire was trying to save itself after it had to tap into its colonies to win the war. The Republic of China was exposed as a basket case. (Which is why it fell to the Communists four years after the war ended.)

ok

Japan had hoped that a negotiated peace would leave it in a solid position within the "Co-Prosperity Sphere" of various puppet states and allies across Asia.

The US took control of Japan. The rest is history. The two A-bombs saved lives.

 

[Mac-7]

The falling governments might not be the ones you’re rooting to fall

Our vampire defense contractors are calling this disaster a “golden opportunity”

Well, keep your hopes up

They cost you nothing to make you feel better

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Well, keep your hopes up

They cost you nothing to make you feel better

Can you imagine if we actually had a POTUS who woke up every day thinking about how to make life better and more affordable for the American people?

 

[Mac-7]

Can you imagine if we actually had a POTUS who woke up every day thinking about how to make life better and more affordable for the American people?

Do you mean free bus service or government supermarkets?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Do you mean free bus service or government supermarkets?

How else can you process that Trump fucked up the economy even worse than Biden