Should Green-Cards be hired before citizens?

[Polk]

Preference does not equal a living for life.

The fact of the matter is, there should not be a legal requirement to hire less qualified applicants just because they served in the military. Veterans deserve something for their service, and if you want to talk about increasing funding for the VA and things like that, I'm going to be in your corner. Where I draw the line is the point at which we're saying that veterans should be enjoy a special and superior class of citizenship over their fellow citizens.

Where did I say anything about hiring those that are less qualified? Preference is if 2 equal candidates apply and one is a veteran the veteran gets preference.

Not really. At least in hiring for the federal government, veteran status is equal to be spotted ten points on the testing.

 

[Care4all]

For government jobs, disabled vets are spotted 10 points, I do not believe healthy vets are spotted 10 points, are they? Just wondering out loud....? I can try to look it up....

 

[Care4all]

If it is Disabled vets, I think they do deserve the 10 points and this is the least we can do in helping them adjust and get a job.....a government job. And since the government is their employer, it is the Government deciding such 10 point spotting.

 

[Polk]

For government jobs, disabled vets are spotted 10 points, I do not believe healthy vets are spotted 10 points, are they? Just wondering out loud....? I can try to look it up....

You're right. Health vets are spotted five.

 

[The T]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

Are you confusing certain Union Slobs with most hard working Americans whom aren't UNION? (and what is Union membership these days)?

And try firing a vetted Union worker...

Your point of an alien (non-vetted citizen on a VISA) is certainly a good one...but why don't we allow the employer make that determination?

 

[noose4]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

Are you confusing certain Union Slobs with most hard working Americans whom aren't UNION? (and what is Union membership these days)?

And try firing a vetted Union worker...

Your point of an alien (non-vetted citizen on a VISA) is certainly a good one...but why don't we allow the employer make that determination?

Someone is jealous that they have to work as a walmart greeter instead of having a good union job.

 

[rdean]

Oh good. I was wondering when you'd arrive to give us the benefit of your invaluable opinion.

"Heh! Heh-heh! Hey Beavis, Did you hear that? Field. Heh-heh! Wonder what they're growing in that 'field'. Heh-heh. Heh."

You're welcome. I'm glad I didn't disappoint.

It's ironic that it's Republican policies that reduced this economy so that Republicans are fighting over the last bone. Jobs no one has ever wanted in the past. Pulling weeds. Picking strawberries. Jobs with no benefits that pay 5 bucks an hour "under the table" - if you're lucky. Good job Brownie.

For ****'s sake. You're....off....topic!

The topic is, "Should Green-Cards be hired before citizens?"

I gave a very good answer. You see, America has become the "land of anti-education". I work in an engineering firm. Yes, there have been "green cards" working there. None in the shop. All of the green cards have been in engineering. Green cards are generally allowed to come in and work jobs where no one can find "qualified Americans" or enough qualified Americans. Everything from doctors and nurses to scientists and engineers.

So what is a "qualified" American. It isn't enough to have a degree. You have to be able to do the job. Designing laboratory testing equipment isn't that easy. It not only has to perform the required functions, but pass rigorous safety tests including emc and low voltage. That equipment is sold all over the world and sometimes uses power levels up to 15 thousand watts with an initial start-up of 60 to 80 thousand volts.

Does the company look for qualified Americans? Yes. Many times, the company will farm out a "research" project to a nearby university where seniors can develop it as a "senior" design project. The company gives a grant to the institution and with one of our engineers working with that group. "Qualified" or "promising" engineers are identified and many times offered a job after graduation.

The problem is, they don't stay. They work for a year or two, getting experience and then move on to a bigger company, more salary, and many times, "overseas". Green cards tend to stay. At least until they become citizens.

So, if Americans refuse to get an education, where does that leave them? Unfortunately, fighting over jobs picking strawberries and weeding. See? Full circle. It's all relevant.

 

[Toro]

The results of this poll is one reason why Americans are so awesome.

 

[The T]

If you hire an alien, you will most likely get a hard worker who shows up every day ready to work.

If you hire an american, especially a minority, you'll basically get a lazy slob with an attitude who shows up late half the time.

Are you confusing certain Union Slobs with most hard working Americans whom aren't UNION? (and what is Union membership these days)?

And try firing a vetted Union worker...

Your point of an alien (non-vetted citizen on a VISA) is certainly a good one...but why don't we allow the employer make that determination?

Someone is jealous that they have to work as a walmart greeter instead of having a good union job.

Total blithering IDIOT that has no CLUE what *I* do. Noted.

 

[noose4]

Are you confusing certain Union Slobs with most hard working Americans whom aren't UNION? (and what is Union membership these days)?

And try firing a vetted Union worker...

Your point of an alien (non-vetted citizen on a VISA) is certainly a good one...but why don't we allow the employer make that determination?

Someone is jealous that they have to work as a walmart greeter instead of having a good union job.

Total blithering IDIOT that has no CLUE what *I* do. Noted.

Hitting that bottle kind of early today eh Tommy?

 

[The T]

Someone is jealous that they have to work as a walmart greeter instead of having a good union job.

Total blithering IDIOT that has no CLUE what *I* do. Noted.

Hitting that bottle kind of early today eh Tommy?

Further deflection also noted.

 

[amrchaos]

An employer should have the right to solicit and retain through appropriate pay any talent they can find.

I do not give a damn if they high a Green Card or American citizen first. What matters is the business bottomline and that is profit. Screw you Economic-Nationalism because it is no more than simplistic BS to hide your xenophobia when dealing with international labor.

Compete and win--Do not ***** if you are getting ass handed to you in the workforce..

 

[noose4]

Total blithering IDIOT that has no CLUE what *I* do. Noted.

Hitting that bottle kind of early today eh Tommy?

Further deflection also noted.

2 12 oz bottles of Thunderbird already consumed, noted.

 

[Contessa_Sharra]

For government jobs, disabled vets are spotted 10 points, I do not believe healthy vets are spotted 10 points, are they? Just wondering out loud....? I can try to look it up....

I think all vets get preference points, disabled vets get more....

 

[The T]

Hitting that bottle kind of early today eh Tommy?

Further deflection also noted.

2 12 oz bottles of Thunderbird already consumed, noted.

Total ignorence on display here, with a bit of projection thrown in for measure, eh Noosey? You're talking out yer spinchter again as usual.

 

[JakeStarkey]

T is the tipsy king again?

 

[noose4]

Further deflection also noted.

2 12 oz bottles of Thunderbird already consumed, noted.

Total ignorence on display here, with a bit of projection thrown in for measure, eh Noosey? You're talking out yer spinchter again as usual.

7:32 You must be totally toasted by now.

 

[kyzr]

For government jobs, disabled vets are spotted 10 points, I do not believe healthy vets are spotted 10 points, are they? Just wondering out loud....? I can try to look it up....

I think all vets get preference points, disabled vets get more....

Yes vets gets some preference points for government jobs that they are qualified for. I'm amazed that the poll shows that people want their jobs up for grabs by aliens (unless the poll is dominated by non-citizens)

How can citizens vote against a preference for their job??

 

[Navy1960]

I did not answer the Poll because the first question is: "citizens should have a right to jobs"

Well, citizens already have the 'right' to have jobs" What I would have probably said in the poll would be something like "Should US Citizens have a job preference First"?

Maybe like in say, France, the French citizen is always hired BEFORE anyone else in a French business. AND, if say a U.S. citizen is hired for a job in France, and a French citizen is in the market for THAT job, the U.S. citizen or any other, is let go, in favor of France's citizens.
The French Citizen comes FIRST.

That is the way it should be in the USA, however, many U.S. citizens are too damn whatever to take many of the jobs, then ***** about 'foreigners taking those jobs. So the end result is, tough. Don't ***** about others taking the job that 'you' wouldn't take anyway. In my working days, I was a supervisor and without any hesitation, I can tell anyone that those I personally worked with, Saudis, Palestinians, Latino, and others, worked for the most part without any complaining at all, and performed very well. The U.S. citizen,many not all, and sad to say,bitched and moaned on just about every job that came along, while trying to take the 'short cut' in many tasks.

So, that puts a crimp in this question of whom should be hired first in the USA job market doesn't it?
Maybe with our unemployment rate being so high, many will change their minds on just which jobs they will perform.
Hopefully that will happen and reduce our unemployment numbers.

After having read your post, I thought I would post something that might strike a little more debate on this subject. As some of you may know the US Air Force has for some time now been trying to replace it's current fleet of tankers. Last year it rewarded the 100 plus billion dollar contract to EADS/Northrop-Grumman a.k.a. Airbus which is for the most part wholly built from and Airframe made in Toulouse France then according to EADS is to be shipped to Mobile, Al. for final assembly. It would seem to me that this makes a good enforcing case not only for rewarding the contract to Boeing but also, gives a lot of weight to the statements on immigration and outsourcing. What I find really interesting is this, if Americans are not good are producing high quailty goods, why then do Toyota, Honda, Kia, Mercedes, BMW choose to hire Americans to build some of the highest quailty cars and trucks in the world? and do so at competetive rates. I submit that the issue is not with citizens so much as it is with policies that reward importation and tax domestic production as well as look the other way when it comes to the enforcement of our own immigration laws because of the political gains that some seek to get from it. The only people that suffer from this sort of lazy attitude on behalf of those that represent us are AMERICANS.

 

[del]

For government jobs, disabled vets are spotted 10 points, I do not believe healthy vets are spotted 10 points, are they? Just wondering out loud....? I can try to look it up....

I think all vets get preference points, disabled vets get more....

Yes vets gets some preference points for government jobs that they are qualified for. I'm amazed that the poll shows that people want their jobs up for grabs by aliens (unless the poll is dominated by non-citizens)

How can citizens vote against a preference for their job??

by acting like americans, you xenophobic ****.