Should Gerrymandering be Banned?

[Bush92]

What conservative wouldn't like a scheme that gives the Republicans 3/4ths of the seats in an election where they got half the vote?

A “scheme?” The will of the people. That’s why liberals keep losing.

 

[eagle7_31]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

Democrats love gerrymandering when they control the process. The demrats can go screw themselves with their phony lying moral outrage.

 

[eagle7_31]

What conservative wouldn't like a scheme that gives the Republicans 3/4ths of the seats in an election where they got half the vote?

Or what liberal would not like the same scheme? Go piss up a rope.

 

[sealybobo]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

Republican gerrymandering accounts for 16 or 17 GOP seats in the current Congress that the party may not otherwise control.

But now, that gerrymandering greed of Republicans is coming back to haunt them.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court in January struck down the congressional map state Republicans drew, saying it was so partisan that it violated the state constitution. That same month, a panel of three federal judges struck down North Carolina’s congressional map. In October, the U.S. Supreme Court heard argument in a Wisconsin case may set a standard for defining unconstitutional gerrymandering on partisan grounds.

The reckoning Republicans are seeing now is one that could have been avoided, lawyers and redistricting experts say, had the GOP not been so ruthless.

Both Democrats and Republicans have gerrymandered in the past to their advantage, but Republicans took it to a new level in 2011.

there was as much as three times more partisan bias in congressional maps this decade than in ones drawn in 2000. a “dramatic number” of the worst gerrymanders of the last half-century have occurred since 2010

Until the courts began stepping in, Republican gerrymandering paid off. From 2012 to 2016, the GOP won 13 of Pennsylvania’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party’s candidates only got around half of the vote. In Ohio, the party consistently won 12 of 16 congressional seats, but 50 percent of the statewide vote. In Wisconsin, they won at least 60 of 99 state assembly seats, with about half of the popular vote.

So we are not being represented.

the clear egregiousness of the Republican redistricting made it easier to show something was amiss. It would have been harder to make a case, he said, if Republicans had only been winning slim majorities.

Republicans could have been cautious. They could have drawn maps that benefitted their party, but at the same time were fairer, compact and contiguous. The Constitution gives state lawmakers the broad responsibility of drawing electoral districts, and the GOP maps would have stood up better against judicial scrutiny had lawmakers offered public justification in their legislatures for the boundaries

lawmakers drew a map that gave Republicans a 10-3 advantage because he didn’t see a way to draw one that was 11-2. In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers sought to avoid scrutiny by hiring a law firm to draw the maps, hoping the work would be hidden by attorney-client privilege.

Without a public explanation for the redrawn boundaries, it’s easier for those challenging the maps to claim Republicans intended to dilute Democratic votes.


Even if the Supreme Court does decide Republicans went too far with gerrymandering, its anticipated ruling in the spring would likely come too late to affect this year’s congressional elections, and wouldn’t have an impact on maps until at least 2020. Even if Republicans lose the ability to gerrymander in the future, their ruthlessness will have helped them for nearly an entire decade.

 

[OldLady]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

I don't understand why we have gerrymandering at all.
Can someone explain it without a bunch of spin one way or the other?

 

[sealybobo]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

I don't understand why we have gerrymandering at all.
Can someone explain it without a bunch of spin one way or the other?

Sometimes demographics change/shift and so they decide that one representative should represent this area and another should represent this area. It's to make sure people in Detroit are being represented by people who care about Detroit. But what if they took Detroit's outer edges and deluted Detroit by putting those voters on the edge in districts with metro detroiters. Those Detroiters won't be represented. They just got stuck in with a bunch of suburbanites.

 

[longknife]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

I don't understand why we have gerrymandering at all.
Can someone explain it without a bunch of spin one way or the other?

It comes from 1812 when the governor of Mass, Elbridge Gerry, drew up a state senate district to give his party the edge. It would have more voters for his party than the other.

If you want to learn more about it, go to Gerrymandering - Wikipedia

 

[sartre play]

YES.

 

[eagle7_31]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

Republican gerrymandering accounts for 16 or 17 GOP seats in the current Congress that the party may not otherwise control.

But now, that gerrymandering greed of Republicans is coming back to haunt them.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court in January struck down the congressional map state Republicans drew, saying it was so partisan that it violated the state constitution. That same month, a panel of three federal judges struck down North Carolina’s congressional map. In October, the U.S. Supreme Court heard argument in a Wisconsin case may set a standard for defining unconstitutional gerrymandering on partisan grounds.

The reckoning Republicans are seeing now is one that could have been avoided, lawyers and redistricting experts say, had the GOP not been so ruthless.

Both Democrats and Republicans have gerrymandered in the past to their advantage, but Republicans took it to a new level in 2011.

there was as much as three times more partisan bias in congressional maps this decade than in ones drawn in 2000. a “dramatic number” of the worst gerrymanders of the last half-century have occurred since 2010

Until the courts began stepping in, Republican gerrymandering paid off. From 2012 to 2016, the GOP won 13 of Pennsylvania’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party’s candidates only got around half of the vote. In Ohio, the party consistently won 12 of 16 congressional seats, but 50 percent of the statewide vote. In Wisconsin, they won at least 60 of 99 state assembly seats, with about half of the popular vote.

So we are not being represented.

the clear egregiousness of the Republican redistricting made it easier to show something was amiss. It would have been harder to make a case, he said, if Republicans had only been winning slim majorities.

Republicans could have been cautious. They could have drawn maps that benefitted their party, but at the same time were fairer, compact and contiguous. The Constitution gives state lawmakers the broad responsibility of drawing electoral districts, and the GOP maps would have stood up better against judicial scrutiny had lawmakers offered public justification in their legislatures for the boundaries

lawmakers drew a map that gave Republicans a 10-3 advantage because he didn’t see a way to draw one that was 11-2. In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers sought to avoid scrutiny by hiring a law firm to draw the maps, hoping the work would be hidden by attorney-client privilege.

Without a public explanation for the redrawn boundaries, it’s easier for those challenging the maps to claim Republicans intended to dilute Democratic votes.


Even if the Supreme Court does decide Republicans went too far with gerrymandering, its anticipated ruling in the spring would likely come too late to affect this year’s congressional elections, and wouldn’t have an impact on maps until at least 2020. Even if Republicans lose the ability to gerrymander in the future, their ruthlessness will have helped them for nearly an entire decade.

You and the rest of the asshole left wing go screw yourselves. Republicans controlled the process and drew the lines. Phony moral outrage from the demrats. When dems control the process they draw lines in their favor like the GOP. Only you would have no problem with the dems doing the same. Go fly a kite.

 

[eagle7_31]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

I don't understand why we have gerrymandering at all.
Can someone explain it without a bunch of spin one way or the other?

The party that controls the whole process draws the lines, period. There are situations where no party controls the process and deals are struck. The phony whining dems hate the fact they lost out in the 2010 elections and are trying to backdoor the process.

 

[sealybobo]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

Republican gerrymandering accounts for 16 or 17 GOP seats in the current Congress that the party may not otherwise control.

But now, that gerrymandering greed of Republicans is coming back to haunt them.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court in January struck down the congressional map state Republicans drew, saying it was so partisan that it violated the state constitution. That same month, a panel of three federal judges struck down North Carolina’s congressional map. In October, the U.S. Supreme Court heard argument in a Wisconsin case may set a standard for defining unconstitutional gerrymandering on partisan grounds.

The reckoning Republicans are seeing now is one that could have been avoided, lawyers and redistricting experts say, had the GOP not been so ruthless.

Both Democrats and Republicans have gerrymandered in the past to their advantage, but Republicans took it to a new level in 2011.

there was as much as three times more partisan bias in congressional maps this decade than in ones drawn in 2000. a “dramatic number” of the worst gerrymanders of the last half-century have occurred since 2010

Until the courts began stepping in, Republican gerrymandering paid off. From 2012 to 2016, the GOP won 13 of Pennsylvania’s 18 congressional seats, even though the party’s candidates only got around half of the vote. In Ohio, the party consistently won 12 of 16 congressional seats, but 50 percent of the statewide vote. In Wisconsin, they won at least 60 of 99 state assembly seats, with about half of the popular vote.

So we are not being represented.

the clear egregiousness of the Republican redistricting made it easier to show something was amiss. It would have been harder to make a case, he said, if Republicans had only been winning slim majorities.

Republicans could have been cautious. They could have drawn maps that benefitted their party, but at the same time were fairer, compact and contiguous. The Constitution gives state lawmakers the broad responsibility of drawing electoral districts, and the GOP maps would have stood up better against judicial scrutiny had lawmakers offered public justification in their legislatures for the boundaries

lawmakers drew a map that gave Republicans a 10-3 advantage because he didn’t see a way to draw one that was 11-2. In Wisconsin, GOP lawmakers sought to avoid scrutiny by hiring a law firm to draw the maps, hoping the work would be hidden by attorney-client privilege.

Without a public explanation for the redrawn boundaries, it’s easier for those challenging the maps to claim Republicans intended to dilute Democratic votes.


Even if the Supreme Court does decide Republicans went too far with gerrymandering, its anticipated ruling in the spring would likely come too late to affect this year’s congressional elections, and wouldn’t have an impact on maps until at least 2020. Even if Republicans lose the ability to gerrymander in the future, their ruthlessness will have helped them for nearly an entire decade.

You and the rest of the asshole left wing go screw yourselves. Republicans controlled the process and drew the lines. Phony moral outrage from the demrats. When dems control the process they draw lines in their favor like the GOP. Only you would have no problem with the dems doing the same. Go fly a kite.

Nope. Republicans went too far. So far that now you got the courts involved. Did you read the article I posted? You guys could have gotten away if you weren’t so blatantly corrupt.

You’ve got it so 50% of us only get 25% representation. This is the kind of shit people revolt over douchbag

 

[SSGT Bags]

The Democrats love gerrymandering.....but only when they do it

We've never gone too far like the Republicans have.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map To Replace Gerrymandered One | HuffPost

Republicans have enjoyed a considerable advantage under the earlier map, which was in place for three congressional elections.

Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Monday issued a new congressional map to replace the state’s current one, which the court said is so partisan it violates the state’s Constitution.

You do care if Republican Gerrymandering goes so far it's actually unconstitutional, right? You Republicans who supposedly cherish the constitution.

This is Illinois 4th!
Guitierrez (Dumbacrat)

"We've never gone too far like the Republicans have."
Wanna take that back?

 

[sealybobo]

The Democrats love gerrymandering.....but only when they do it

We've never gone too far like the Republicans have.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map To Replace Gerrymandered One | HuffPost

Republicans have enjoyed a considerable advantage under the earlier map, which was in place for three congressional elections.

Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Monday issued a new congressional map to replace the state’s current one, which the court said is so partisan it violates the state’s Constitution.

You do care if Republican Gerrymandering goes so far it's actually unconstitutional, right? You Republicans who supposedly cherish the constitution.

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This is Illinois 4th!
Guitierrez (Dumbacrat)

"We've never gone too far like the Republicans have."
Wanna take that back?

Take it to court like we are

 

[SSGT Bags]

The Democrats love gerrymandering.....but only when they do it

We've never gone too far like the Republicans have.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map To Replace Gerrymandered One | HuffPost

Republicans have enjoyed a considerable advantage under the earlier map, which was in place for three congressional elections.

Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Monday issued a new congressional map to replace the state’s current one, which the court said is so partisan it violates the state’s Constitution.

You do care if Republican Gerrymandering goes so far it's actually unconstitutional, right? You Republicans who supposedly cherish the constitution.

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This is Illinois 4th!
Guitierrez (Dumbacrat)

"We've never gone too far like the Republicans have."
Wanna take that back?

Take it to court like we are

The point is - Don't claim you never do it!

 

[kaz]

I see it as another check that states, the state parties, and the people have over the dangerous federal government. Keep the practice.
Why the North Carolina redistricting ruling could end gerrymandering as we know it - CNNPolitics

What they have done in MI and NC is criminal. Florida as well, Gaetz got a little help from his Daddy, and his Daddy got help from gerrymandering.

Speaking of Democrat hypocrites. Funny how you people Gerrymandered my entire life and told Republicans to win more elections when called on it. They just followed your advice, Sweet Heart

 

[kaz]

The Democrats love gerrymandering.....but only when they do it

We've never gone too far like the Republicans have.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map To Replace Gerrymandered One | HuffPost

Republicans have enjoyed a considerable advantage under the earlier map, which was in place for three congressional elections.

Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Monday issued a new congressional map to replace the state’s current one, which the court said is so partisan it violates the state’s Constitution.

You do care if Republican Gerrymandering goes so far it's actually unconstitutional, right? You Republicans who supposedly cherish the constitution.

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This is Illinois 4th!
Guitierrez (Dumbacrat)

"We've never gone too far like the Republicans have."
Wanna take that back?

Take it to court like we are

Another flaming hypocrite liar. You people did this most of your life. Suddenly it's an issue for you ... when you can't do it.

Don't just grow old. Grow up

 

[Rustic]

The Democrats love gerrymandering.....but only when they do it

We've never gone too far like the Republicans have.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Issues New Congressional Map To Replace Gerrymandered One | HuffPost

Republicans have enjoyed a considerable advantage under the earlier map, which was in place for three congressional elections.

Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Monday issued a new congressional map to replace the state’s current one, which the court said is so partisan it violates the state’s Constitution.

You do care if Republican Gerrymandering goes so far it's actually unconstitutional, right? You Republicans who supposedly cherish the constitution.

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This is Illinois 4th!
Guitierrez (Dumbacrat)

"We've never gone too far like the Republicans have."
Wanna take that back?

Take it to court like we are

Both parties take advantage of gerrymandering equally. fuck face

 

[Penelope]

The EC should be banned. then we wouldn't need to worry about the extreme GOP gerrymandering or any gerrymandering.

 

[Rustic]

The EC should be banned. then we wouldn't need to worry about the extreme GOP gerrymandering or any gerrymandering.

Na, If you did that rural America may as well not even vote... Their votes would be meaningless in a pure democracy. Mob rule has never worked

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The EC should be banned. then we wouldn't need to worry about the extreme GOP gerrymandering or any gerrymandering.

You still need congressional districts, moron.