Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[beagle9]

When you say "churches", .

I mean churches.

You know- the facilities and organizations that are legally exempt from PA laws and don't have to pay taxes?

The organization as it congregates to collect monies to keep the doors open, lights on, grass cut, repairs made, and it's activities funded for it's members isn't being taxed of course, and why is this ? It's because it is all non-profit for non-profit activities in which benefits the members in that way. Separate from that is the freedom of religion in which the individual Christian is supposed to have protected by the constitution, and yet is not being preserved or afforded the Christians under the current rules that violate the constitutional guarantee's in which had been laid out in the documents concerning the freedom as it reads, and in which the President took an oath to uphold and to protect.

Now how does one practice that which is legal in this nation, if there are those that claim now that it is illegal to practice such a thing in this nation ?

How is it that exemptions were made concerning religious institutions over the issue of contraception, and about who should be required to endorse it, issue it and/or cover it ? It's all because the feds knew they were in anti-constitutional territory when they tried to force that on the religious institutions in this nation, so they had to back off and re-think their anti-constitutional ideology when attempting to woo once again a voter block in the nation.

Meanwhile- no special exemption for Christians just for being Christians.

Churches are exempt from PA laws.

That pretty much covers it.

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

 

[Skylar]

I mean churches.

You know- the facilities and organizations that are legally exempt from PA laws and don't have to pay taxes?

The organization as it congregates to collect monies to keep the doors open, lights on, grass cut, repairs made, and it's activities funded for it's members isn't being taxed of course, and why is this ? It's because it is all non-profit for non-profit activities in which benefits the members in that way. Separate from that is the freedom of religion in which the individual Christian is supposed to have protected by the constitution, and yet is not being preserved or afforded the Christians under the current rules that violate the constitutional guarantee's in which had been laid out in the documents concerning the freedom as it reads, and in which the President took an oath to uphold and to protect.

Now how does one practice that which is legal in this nation, if there are those that claim now that it is illegal to practice such a thing in this nation ?

How is it that exemptions were made concerning religious institutions over the issue of contraception, and about who should be required to endorse it, issue it and/or cover it ? It's all because the feds knew they were in anti-constitutional territory when they tried to force that on the religious institutions in this nation, so they had to back off and re-think their anti-constitutional ideology when attempting to woo once again a voter block in the nation.

Meanwhile- no special exemption for Christians just for being Christians.

Churches are exempt from PA laws.

That pretty much covers it.

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

 

[beagle9]

The organization as it congregates to collect monies to keep the doors open, lights on, grass cut, repairs made, and it's activities funded for it's members isn't being taxed of course, and why is this ? It's because it is all non-profit for non-profit activities in which benefits the members in that way. Separate from that is the freedom of religion in which the individual Christian is supposed to have protected by the constitution, and yet is not being preserved or afforded the Christians under the current rules that violate the constitutional guarantee's in which had been laid out in the documents concerning the freedom as it reads, and in which the President took an oath to uphold and to protect.

Now how does one practice that which is legal in this nation, if there are those that claim now that it is illegal to practice such a thing in this nation ?

How is it that exemptions were made concerning religious institutions over the issue of contraception, and about who should be required to endorse it, issue it and/or cover it ? It's all because the feds knew they were in anti-constitutional territory when they tried to force that on the religious institutions in this nation, so they had to back off and re-think their anti-constitutional ideology when attempting to woo once again a voter block in the nation.

Meanwhile- no special exemption for Christians just for being Christians.

Churches are exempt from PA laws.

That pretty much covers it.

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

 

[Skylar]

Meanwhile- no special exemption for Christians just for being Christians.

Churches are exempt from PA laws.

That pretty much covers it.

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

Nope.

 

[Syriusly]

Meanwhile- no special exemption for Christians just for being Christians.

Churches are exempt from PA laws.

That pretty much covers it.

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals.

Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities.

Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

 

[Silhouette]

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals...Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities...Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

So you're admitting then that LGBT is a relgion?

 

[Skylar]

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals...Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities...Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

So you're admitting then that LGBT is a relgion?

Wow. You're amazingly bad at paraphrasing.

 

[Syriusly]

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals...Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities...Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

So you're admitting then that LGBT is a relgion?

Nope- but i will admit that you are delusional.

 

[beagle9]

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals...Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities...Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

So you're admitting then that LGBT is a relgion?

They wish it was a religion, but frankly no one knows what it is, and in fact I don't think that they know yet either what it really is or what it really means.

I'm still scratching my head as to how sexual orientation got added to the special status list in this nation, because what goes on in ones bedroom, well should just stay in ones bedroom period. Why people want to flaunt their sexuality out in the public square is simply dumbfounding and idiotic to me.

Race - white, black, red, yellow, brown, and all depending on the circumstances in each case, I'd say (yes) for special status against discrimination and/or any other thing within reason that the government wants to help them with. I'd also go along with gender (yes), and handicapped of course (yes), but sexual orientation? (no).

 

[beagle9]

Christians need no added special exemptions other than the original document to be upheld for them, and that is the freedom of religion as they do practice it in their daily lives in this nation legally.

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals.

Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities.

Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

They are being abused by having to hide their Christianity in the public square now or to fear using it as it was intended to be used by them in their lives daily. There was never a problem with Christians practicing their faith and religion in this nation before, but now there is ? Well I wonder why that is ? What has changed in the nation in which says that the Christian religion and faith is no longer allowed to be practiced or believed openly in this nation any longer ?

 

[koshergrl]

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

 

[Seawytch]

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

Wrong. They're not being allowed to violate secular laws and use religion as an excuse.

 

[beagle9]

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

Wrong. They're not being allowed to violate secular laws and use religion as an excuse.

Whose wrong ? Them or is it the ones who are challenging the Christians with a new twist in life, and this by utilizing the law that was not created with the intent for which it is being used against them in such a way now ?

 

[Skylar]

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

Wrong. They're not being allowed to violate secular laws and use religion as an excuse.

Whose wrong ? Them or is it the ones who are challenging the Christians with a new twist in life, and this by utilizing the law that was not created with the intent for which it is being used against them in such a way now ?

The PA laws were absolutely designed to prevent discrimination against gays in business with the public. So that argument is out the window. We're not making any law 'optional' for Christians. We're not creating one harsher set of laws for all of us....and a second, more lenient set for Christians.

You're scrambling from excuse to excuse for why you should get special treatment, why the rules don't apply to you, why you should be able to ignore any law you wish.

No. We're not doing any of that. Christians will be treated with the same as anyone else.

 

[Syriusly]

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals.

Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities.

Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

They are being abused by having to hide their Christianity in the public square now

Christians are not being 'abused by being required to follow the very same laws that also protect them.

 

[GreenBean]

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

Wrong. They're not being allowed to violate secular laws and use religion as an excuse.

Whose wrong ? Them or is it the ones who are challenging the Christians with a new twist in life, and this by utilizing the law that was not created with the intent for which it is being used against them in such a way now ?

The PA laws were absolutely designed to prevent discrimination against gays in business with the public. So that argument is out the window. We're not making any law 'optional' for Christians. We're not creating one harsher set of laws for all of us....and a second, more lenient set for Christians.

You're scrambling from excuse to excuse for why you should get special treatment, why the rules don't apply to you, why you should be able to ignore any law you wish.

No. We're not doing any of that. Christians will be treated with the same as anyone else.

Arkansas Legislature Passes Bill Allowing LGBT Discrimination


LMFAO - One Down 49 to Go. :>

 

[Silhouette]

Arkansas Legislature Passes Bill Allowing LGBT Discrimination


LMFAO - One Down 49 to Go. :>

Trouble is, Kennedy will see this and put on his blinders about all the other good reasons (childrens' welfare and need for a father and mother) to return the question of gay marriage to the states.

I smell a gay activist behind this one..

 

[Syriusly]

The freedom of religion does not grant Christians the authority to ignore any law they don't believe in. It merely prevents any laws specifically targeting religion. PA laws don't. Its a generally applicable law that applies to everyone, regardless of their motivation.

You are asking for a special exemption, for Christians to have the right to 'opt out' of any law they don't believe they should follow, with Christians being held to a special, more lenient standard of the law. With a standard, harsher standard for all the rest of us.

No. We're not doing that. Christians will be treated like everyone else.

The law isn't suppose to give people the right to abuse christians either, where as that is the way in which the laws are being abused now in these ways today. Now who exactly is getting special treatment today?

Christians aren't being abused by following generally applicable law. You're not special and you're not exempt. The same laws apply to you as apply to everyone else.

There's no special lenient 'Christian' version of the law. There's the plain old 'American' version.

Yes they are being abused now.

On the contrary- the law protects Christians much more comprehensively than it does homosexuals.

Christians are protected from discrimination by business owners based upon their Christianity in the entire United States- whereas homosexuals rights to service are protected in only some states and municipalities.

Christians are not being 'abused' by being required to follow the same law that also protects them.

They are being abused by having to hide their Christianity in the public square now

Christians are not being 'abused by being required to follow the very same laws that also protect them.

Being fined for being Christian, being denied to right to conduct business because they're Christian...

Wrong. They're not being allowed to violate secular laws and use religion as an excuse.

Whose wrong ? Them or is it the ones who are challenging the Christians with a new twist in life, and this by utilizing the law that was not created with the intent for which it is being used against them in such a way now ?

The PA laws were absolutely designed to prevent discrimination against gays in business with the public. So that argument is out the window. We're not making any law 'optional' for Christians. We're not creating one harsher set of laws for all of us....and a second, more lenient set for Christians.

You're scrambling from excuse to excuse for why you should get special treatment, why the rules don't apply to you, why you should be able to ignore any law you wish.

No. We're not doing any of that. Christians will be treated with the same as anyone else.

Arkansas Legislature Passes Bill Allowing LGBT Discrimination


LMFAO - One Down 49 to Go. :>

Well so much for the argument about 'the will of the people'......
.
Gov. Asa Hutchinson said he will allow the bill to become law, thereby preventing cities and counties from passing ordinances designed to protect LGBT people from discrimination in housing, jobs, and businesses.

If voters from Little Rock want to outlaw discrimination against LGBT- the State of Arkansas is going to overrule those voters.

I look forward to hearing more about 'the will of the voters'........

 

[Syriusly]

Arkansas Legislature Passes Bill Allowing LGBT Discrimination


LMFAO - One Down 49 to Go. :>

I smell a gay activist behind this one..

You smell gay activists in anything that happens anywhere.

 

[Greeneyedlady]

No. You can't force people to accept gayism if it goes against everything they believe in.
The whole gay marriage thing is an attack against tradition, religion, and the nuclear family.