Should Churches be forced to accomodate for homosexual weddings?

[beagle9]

The thing is that all should be compassionate and empathetic to those who are living in sin, and to pray for them daily as Christians should do.

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith, otherwise it could be that of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point, and it could be shifted to another that may serve the customer as according to the new appointee's willingness to assist the person in their request, and then as according to the customers needs.

Wouldn't you agree ?

 

[Skylar]

The thing is that all should be compassionate and empathetic to those who are living in sin, and to pray for them daily as Christians should do.

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith be this of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point.

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

 

[beagle9]

The thing is that all should be compassionate and empathetic to those who are living in sin, and to pray for them daily as Christians should do.

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith be this of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point.

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

Why are you taking the words compassion and empathy out of context like you keep doing ? So if a person comes into a pet store, and they say to the owner I want to buy that puppy so I can kill it and eat it for food, would the owner have a valid reasoning for not selling that dog to that customer based upon his upbringing and belief in the Bible where it says we shouldn't eat anything that has a paw on it, and the fact that it was a strange request that the person had not ever heard of before in concerns of ones faith and teachings on such matters ?

 

[Silhouette]

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

Sexual orientation/lifestyles do not have dominance in the US Constitution over the Guarantee of the 1st Amendment for individuals to "freedom to exercise of their relgion".

Jude 1 mandates that Christians MAY NOT promote a homosexual culture; while they MAY extend compassion to individual homosexuals. If they fail, they are warned in this New Testament passage of Jesus's personal servant that they will spend an eternity in the Pit of Fire.

Marriage is the hub of any culture. THEREFORE, requiring a Christian to abet or aide a "gay marriage" is requiring them to defy the mandate of Jude 1.

The Court will have to sort out who has dominance. And they'll probably tip the scales on historic dominance in our culture and the 1st Amendment. A church is nothing but a congregation of individual Christians..

 

[beagle9]

The thing is that all should be compassionate and empathetic to those who are living in sin, and to pray for them daily as Christians should do.

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith be this of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point.

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

Is every law concrete or is there wiggle room in every law in order for it to balance and flow properly in America ? You know good and well that when laws are made, that the justices can't know all the situations that may challenge their created law or of the breaking of their law due to some circumstances that are involved, so to court it will go just as it should go in order to add, re-write, settle and/or to re-settle a law when need be.

 

[Skylar]

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith be this of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point.

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

Why are you taking the words compassion and empathy out of context like you keep doing ?

I'm stating that discriminating against someone because of their sexual orientation is neither compassionate nor empathetic. And you have yet to disagree with me.

So if a person comes into a pet store, and they say to the owner I want to buy that puppy so I can kill it and eat it for food, would the owner have a valid reasoning for not selling that dog to that customer based upon his upbringing and belief in the Bible where it says we shouldn't eat anything that has a paw on it, and the fact that it was a strange request that the person had not ever heard of before in concerns of ones faith and teachings on such matters ?

A cake isn't alive. A cake isn't being 'killed' by being baked or sold. Rendering your analogy inert.

If you're going to do business with the public, you're expected to treat your customers fairly and equally. And you get no special exemption for being Christian. The laws apply to you just like they apply to everyone else.

 

[Skylar]

Jude 1 mandates that Christians MAY NOT promote a homosexual culture; while they MAY extend compassion to individual homosexuals. If they fail, they are warned in this New Testament passage of Jesus's personal servant that they will spend an eternity in the Pit of Fire.

Selling a cake isn't promoting the customer. Its promoting the cake. Thus, killing your entire line of reasoning.

Marriage is the hub of any culture. THEREFORE, requiring a Christian to abet or aide a "gay marriage" is requiring them to defy the mandate of Jude 1.

Nope. As there's no Biblical prohibition against selling cake. THEREFORE, you've imagined it. And no one is immune to PA laws because of your imagination.

The Court will have to sort out who has dominance. And they'll probably tip the scales on historic dominance in our culture and the 1st Amendment. A church is nothing but a congregation of individual Christians..

Legally a church has a specific legal definition. You can ignore that definition.....but don't expect the law to.

 

[Paperman299]

The pols have been reading this for grins and giggles. Your poll is a farce as you well know.

The pols have been following the Courts, the polling, the argumentation. In no way, shape, or form are they going to try to overturn the ruling. They know they would be voted out of office in many districts.

The tide for marriage equality has turned in favor the last five years.

Who would have ever thought that the founding documents and system created in this nation, would have not been created in a way that would keep people from exploiting it in the way that it is being exploited right now today in America? It's a sad day for America, and for the future of this nation's Christian beliefs and/or teachings that were a huge part of America's founding and it's future from that point onward. This nation now has people who can tell you that up is down and down is up, and then make you a believer of that very ridiculous thinking anymore. WOW!

Or...that Christians are expected to follow the same laws as everyone else.

How do Christians practice what they preach anymore then, and where are they allowed to practice what they preach in their lives ? They teach their children that homosexuality is a sin right, and they are not going to end that teaching, so what do you do with the millions of up and coming citizens who don't believe in Gay Marriage or even being gay at all ? What, maybe lock them all away until they are changed by the government somehow ? I mean how does it play out between all the religious and non-religious groups in this nation in the future, otherwise I mean one has to wonder about such things right ? Can they all co-exist by themselves or does the government have to force it all somehow ?

If the government has to force it all, then I guess we have been seeing a preview of that right ?

Why CAN'T Christians still practice what they preach? No one is forcing any Christians to get gay married. And if you want to teach your kids that homosexuality is a sin, no one can stop you from doing something that wretched. You can live your life the exact same way you did before, you just have to serve people at your business without discrimination, including black people at your diner...Sorry, I meant gay people at your bakery.

No problem serving anyone, just as long as it remains non-personal when the transactions take place. When a person makes what they do known, and then expects a person to support that in some way, then should a person be forced to do so by the government telling them to do so ? I think this is what happened in the case of the baker and others maybe wouldn't you agree ? I agree that you can sell a product without worrying about who the customer is or trying to find out anything about the customer, but if the transaction becomes personal somehow, then that is when people want to opt out of a situation in order for them to not do something they think is wrong for them to do right ? It could be that a person could direct the person to someone who may do the job for them, and shouldn't that be OK also ? I mean directing someone to another bakery makes the situation for the Christian baker non-personal, because he may not even know the other baker, but just knows that it would suit the customer more better than he could.

To expect a same-sex couple not make their situation "known" when ordering their wedding cake is not asking for discretion, it's expecting them to hide themselves.

And it's not "support," it's a business transaction. "Support" is donating a fraction of your profits, or agreeing to let them advertise in your space, or hosting events for them. Just doing the service you sell on your sign and accepting money for it isn't supporting anything.

 

[Syriusly]

The pols have been reading this for grins and giggles. Your poll is a farce as you well know.

The pols have been following the Courts, the polling, the argumentation. In no way, shape, or form are they going to try to overturn the ruling. They know they would be voted out of office in many districts.

The tide for marriage equality has turned in favor the last five years.

Who would have ever thought that the founding documents and system created in this nation, would have not been created in a way that would keep people from exploiting it in the way that it is being exploited right now today in America? It's a sad day for America, and for the future of this nation's Christian beliefs and/or teachings that were a huge part of America's founding and it's future from that point onward. This nation now has people who can tell you that up is down and down is up, and then make you a believer of that very ridiculous thinking anymore. WOW!

Or...that Christians are expected to follow the same laws as everyone else.

How do Christians practice what they preach anymore then, and where are they allowed to practice what they preach in their lives ? They teach their children that homosexuality is a sin right, and they are not going to end that teaching, so what do you do with the millions of up and coming citizens who don't believe in Gay Marriage or even being gay at all ? What, maybe lock them all away until they are changed by the government somehow ? I mean how does it play out between all the religious and non-religious groups in this nation in the future, otherwise I mean one has to wonder about such things right ? Can they all co-exist by themselves or does the government have to force it all somehow ?

If the government has to force it all, then I guess we have been seeing a preview of that right ?

Teach your kids whatever you'd like. And in your business, treat your customers fairly and equally. As the law applies to the same as everyone else.

You have to ask yourself, how did this nation get to this point now ? If your not asking yourself this, then it could be that you are one of the ones who want everything changed in this nation and/or for everything that is new to be accepted by all in this nation, but is that a reality in the end or a recipe for disaster in the end ?

How did we get to this point? By confronting discrimination

 

[Paperman299]

The pols have been reading this for grins and giggles. Your poll is a farce as you well know.

The pols have been following the Courts, the polling, the argumentation. In no way, shape, or form are they going to try to overturn the ruling. They know they would be voted out of office in many districts.

The tide for marriage equality has turned in favor the last five years.

Who would have ever thought that the founding documents and system created in this nation, would have not been created in a way that would keep people from exploiting it in the way that it is being exploited right now today in America? It's a sad day for America, and for the future of this nation's Christian beliefs and/or teachings that were a huge part of America's founding and it's future from that point onward. This nation now has people who can tell you that up is down and down is up, and then make you a believer of that very ridiculous thinking anymore. WOW!

Or...that Christians are expected to follow the same laws as everyone else.

How do Christians practice what they preach anymore then, and where are they allowed to practice what they preach in their lives ? They teach their children that homosexuality is a sin right, and they are not going to end that teaching, so what do you do with the millions of up and coming citizens who don't believe in Gay Marriage or even being gay at all ? What, maybe lock them all away until they are changed by the government somehow ? I mean how does it play out between all the religious and non-religious groups in this nation in the future, otherwise I mean one has to wonder about such things right ? Can they all co-exist by themselves or does the government have to force it all somehow ?

If the government has to force it all, then I guess we have been seeing a preview of that right ?

Why CAN'T Christians still practice what they preach? No one is forcing any Christians to get gay married. And if you want to teach your kids that homosexuality is a sin, no one can stop you from doing something that wretched. You can live your life the exact same way you did before, you just have to serve people at your business without discrimination, including black people at your diner...Sorry, I meant gay people at your bakery.

Doing something that wretched eh ? So you think that the Lord would have the Christians do something as wretched as to teach their children about those things in which are deemed as being sinful in the Bible ?

The thing is that all should be compassionate and empathetic to those who are living in sin, and to pray for them daily as Christians should do.

It can be done without becoming guilty of big time sinning in respect to ones own self in life also, but boundaries must be respected and held upon the belief in those boundaries, and this if one is going to be a helper instead of a victim themselves in life. Those who condemn the sinners (cutting them off completely), are not Christians at all, but rather they are weak and afraid. A Christian must be strong in order to be of good character in life, and one should be merciful, compassionate and full of love for his fellow human beings in life (all of them), but in that strength gained, he or she is able to endure without falling into the pit themselves while doing the Lord's work when or if called upon to do so.

I'm aware there are one or two passages in the Bible condemning homosexuality. You're free to pass that horrific text on to your own kids, over dinners of shellfish or pork. But you can spare me your shallow theological justifications for choosing to adopt this as part of your religious beliefs.

 

[Silhouette]

To expect a same-sex couple not make their situation "known" when ordering their wedding cake is not asking for discretion, it's expecting them to hide themselves.

And it's not "support," it's a business transaction. "Support" is donating a fraction of your profits, or agreeing to let them advertise in your space, or hosting events for them. Just doing the service you sell on your sign and accepting money for it isn't supporting anything.

So what has legal dominance according to the Constitution? Gays demanding a Christian abdicate the mandates in Jude 1, effectively rendering themself a non-Christian? Or a Christian's right to free exercise of their religion at all times of the day and night?

 

[Skylar]

To expect a same-sex couple not make their situation "known" when ordering their wedding cake is not asking for discretion, it's expecting them to hide themselves.

And it's not "support," it's a business transaction. "Support" is donating a fraction of your profits, or agreeing to let them advertise in your space, or hosting events for them. Just doing the service you sell on your sign and accepting money for it isn't supporting anything.

So what has legal dominance according to the Constitution? Gays demanding a Christian abdicate the mandates in Jude 1, effectively rendering themself a non-Christian? Or a Christian's right to free exercise of their religion at all times of the day and night?

Again, there's no prohibition in the Bible forbidding anyone to sell cake. You've hallucinated it.

And your religious beliefs don't allow you to ignore the law. Yours is nothing more than a religiously based sovereign citizen argument, where you are exempt from any law you don't like.

Um, no. You're not.

 

[Paperman299]

To expect a same-sex couple not make their situation "known" when ordering their wedding cake is not asking for discretion, it's expecting them to hide themselves.

And it's not "support," it's a business transaction. "Support" is donating a fraction of your profits, or agreeing to let them advertise in your space, or hosting events for them. Just doing the service you sell on your sign and accepting money for it isn't supporting anything.

So what has legal dominance according to the Constitution? Gays demanding a Christian abdicate the mandates in Jude 1, effectively rendering themself a non-Christian? Or a Christian's right to free exercise of their religion at all times of the day and night?

Effectively rendering themselves a non-Christian? Wow. What happened, I wonder, the first time someone didn't get to stone his bride when she didn't bleed on their wedding night? Do you think they made the same arguments?

What you mean is that you don't get to be exactly the kind of Christian you want to be. It's pretty tough, I agree, that you don't get to follow the roughly 20% of the Old Testament you choose to take seriously in a way that's perfectly in line with your own interpretations. But you don't live in a theocracy. How you treat other people is subject to a democratically-constructed law which applies to everyone.

 

[JakeStarkey]

When one writes, "there is no discrimination in business," yet wants an exception or special treatment, one is hypocritical.

 

[Silhouette]

Again, there's no prohibition in the Bible forbidding anyone to sell cake. You've hallucinated it.

And your religious beliefs don't allow you to ignore the law. Yours is nothing more than a religiously based sovereign citizen argument, where you are exempt from any law you don't like.

Again, individual Christians enjoy the 1st Amendment right to exercise their faith. Exercise is an active, not a passive word. And that exercise is active and effective 24/7/365. In other words, it can never be disenfranchised by the state or fed or any other entity at any moment in time, including while that person is running a business.

The gay cult interfers with their 1st Amendment right specifically in this way: Jude 1 of Jesus's New Testament forbids Christians from promoting ANY gay culture, while it encourages them to reach out to individual gays making a difference in their life. If they fail, they are damned to an eternity in the Pit of Fire. The terms of this Biblical passage are non-negotiable.

Making a cake isn't what gets them there. Marriage is the core of any culture. To promote so-called "gay marriage" is promoting gay culture in a way most potent and insidious of all. So it is not even the tiniest exaggeration to say that if a Christian is forced to make a GAY WEDDING cake, specifically, it is the same as forcing that Christian to abdicate his or her religion; to abandon the exercise of their faith.

 

[Skylar]

Again, there's no prohibition in the Bible forbidding anyone to sell cake. You've hallucinated it.

And your religious beliefs don't allow you to ignore the law. Yours is nothing more than a religiously based sovereign citizen argument, where you are exempt from any law you don't like.

Again, individual Christians enjoy the 1st Amendment right to exercise their faith. Exercise is an active, not a passive word.

And your exercise of religion doesn't trump civil law. Religion can't be targeted with a particular law. But the religious can be subject to the same laws as everyone else. Public Accommodation laws, taxes, speed limits, etc. If your religious faith allowed you to arbitrarily ignore any law you wished, then you'd have essential anarchy. With any law a mere suggestion.

That's not our system nor has it ever been nor was it ever intended to be.

And that exercise is active and effective 24/7/365. In other words, it can never be disenfranchised by the state or fed or any other entity at any moment in time, including while that person is running a business.

Says you. You're still subject to all the same laws as everyone else. If your religion required say, human sacrifice....too bad, so sad. If it required that you never pay taxes, well, it sucks to be you. If it requires that you be able to keep slaves, do whatever drugs you want, you're out of luck.

Religion does not trump civil law. What you're describing is a theocracy. And it is not ours.

The gay cult interfers with their 1st Amendment right specifically in this way: Jude 1 of Jesus's New Testament forbids Christians from promoting ANY gay culture, while it encourages them to reach out to individual gays making a difference in their life. If they fail, they are damned to an eternity in the Pit of Fire. The terms of this Biblical passage are non-negotiable.

And selling a cake isn't promoting your customer. The very premise of your argument is nonsense. Selling a cake is promoting the cake and your business. There is no biblical prohibition against selling cake. None. You've quite literally invented it because you don't like gay people.

And like all the generally applicable laws that apply to the devout and non-devout alike, your subjective religious beliefs don't make you exempt. You want your religion to trump any law, so you can use your religious beliefs as justification for treating gays and less, for abusing them, for discriminating against them. But your need to treat others as less doesn't grant you immunity from laws.

 

[Silhouette]

And your exercise of religion doesn't trump civil law. Religion can't be targeted with a particular law. But the religious can be subject to the same laws as everyone else...

I'd argue that a secular law cannot force a religious person to practice another religion; which is what the LGBT cult is. When one lifestyle/religion's core values violate those of another, one cannot dominate and force that other to abdicate its cores. That's why it is extremely important for the US Supreme Court to correctly identify what it is dealing with first in LGBT (a lifestyle and not a race), how people behave in that lifestyle and that a lifestyle is not dominant to a religon.

You could not require a Muslim baker to depict the face of Muhammed, for example.

You could not require a gay baker to write the passage of Jude 1 on a cake; that would violate his dogma & faith...

..and so on...

 

[PaintMyHouse]

And your exercise of religion doesn't trump civil law. Religion can't be targeted with a particular law. But the religious can be subject to the same laws as everyone else...

I'd argue that a secular law cannot force a religious person to practice another religion; which is what the LGBT cult is. When one lifestyle/religion's core values violate those of another, one cannot dominate and force that other to abdicate its cores. That's why it is extremely important for the US Supreme Court to correctly identify what it is dealing with first in LGBT (a lifestyle and not a race), how people behave in that lifestyle and that a lifestyle is not dominant to a religon.

Religion can be a lifestyle, if it actually matters to you that is, and in America religion is all talk, no walk.

 

[jasonnfree]

I voted other. A church should be able to discriminate unless they get tax deductions or "free stuff" from the taxpayers.

 

[Syriusly]

The pols have been reading this for grins and giggles. Your poll is a farce as you well know.

The pols have been following the Courts, the polling, the argumentation. In no way, shape, or form are they going to try to overturn the ruling. They know they would be voted out of office in many districts.

The tide for marriage equality has turned in favor the last five years.

Who would have ever thought that the founding documents and system created in this nation, would have not been created in a way that would keep people from exploiting it in the way that it is being exploited right now today in America? It's a sad day for America, and for the future of this nation's Christian beliefs and/or teachings that were a huge part of America's founding and it's future from that point onward. This nation now has people who can tell you that up is down and down is up, and then make you a believer of that very ridiculous thinking anymore. WOW!

Or...that Christians are expected to follow the same laws as everyone else.

How do Christians practice what they preach anymore then, and where are they allowed to practice what they preach in their lives ? They teach their children that homosexuality is a sin right, and they are not going to end that teaching, so what do you do with the millions of up and coming citizens who don't believe in Gay Marriage or even being gay at all ? What, maybe lock them all away until they are changed by the government somehow ? I mean how does it play out between all the religious and non-religious groups in this nation in the future, otherwise I mean one has to wonder about such things right ? Can they all co-exist by themselves or does the government have to force it all somehow ?

If the government has to force it all, then I guess we have been seeing a preview of that right ?

Why CAN'T Christians still practice what they preach? No one is forcing any Christians to get gay married. And if you want to teach your kids that homosexuality is a sin, no one can stop you from doing something that wretched. You can live your life the exact same way you did before, you just have to serve people at your business without discrimination, including black people at your diner...Sorry, I meant gay people at your bakery.

Doing something that wretched eh ? So you think that the Lord would have the Christians do something as wretched as to teach their children about those things in which are deemed as being sinful in the Bible ?.

There are many, many 'sin's in the Bible.

Do you teach your children never to do business with anyone who is living that sin?

And how is treating a gay person as less by pointlessly discriminating against them in business an act of 'compassion' or 'empathy'? Its obvious not. Believe as you wish. But in business with the public, treat your customers with fairness and equality.

And you'll do fine.

Are you actually following along, or are you just blabbering without reading more closely the conversation ?

I'm actually following along. And discrimination in business isn't an act of compassion or empathy. But inequity, injustice and callous disregard.

Which might explain why the PA laws of many states forbids it.

There is no discrimination in business, but merely a personal opt out of a request that one may figure endangers his or her faith be this of an employee or of an owner that is found in said business being operated. If the request is unreasonable or unethical as according to the employee or the owner in which the request was made personally to, then an opt out of the request might be warranted at that point.

If you refuse to do public business with someone because of their sexual orientation, that's an explicit act of discrimination. And an illegal one.

You don't get an exemption from the law because you call it an 'opt out'. Its a callous, unjust and illegal act that in many states is rightly punished with fines.

And there's nothing 'compassionate' or 'empathetic' about such discrimination.

Why are you taking the words compassion and empathy out of context like you keep doing ? So if a person comes into a pet store, and they say to the owner I want to buy that puppy so I can kill it and eat it for food, would the owner have a valid reasoning for not selling that dog to that customer based upon his upbringing and belief in the Bible where it says we shouldn't eat anything that has a paw on it, and the fact that it was a strange request that the person had not ever heard of before in concerns of ones faith and teachings on such matters ?

So Christians shouldn't be selling shell fish?

Really?