Should an ideological purity test be applied to federal employees?

[Darkwind]

Define "act against the elected leadership in ways that undermines that leadership." And please point to what law would be broken if such actions took place.

Just look at the actions of the EPA when Trump was President. They actively ignored stated and written policy in favor of their own beliefs.

That is a crime in My opinion.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Of course subversives should not be tolerated.

 

[Polishprince]

If a civil service employee doesn't want to implement Trump policies and is actually trying to undermine them, they should definitely be fired.

Civil servants are worker bees, it isn't their job to set policy. Policy is set by elected officials and their political appointees.

BTW, civil servants should be "hatched" and prohibited from political activity so it shouldn't be an issue

 

[berg80]

The only people who are persecuted for their beliefs are Conservatives.

Gee, it appears you've adopted trump's persecution complex. Are you asserting people who have historically advocated for legal inter racial marriage, gay rights, marriage equality, equal rights for black Americans, are conservatives?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Conservative group’s ‘watch list’ targets federal employees for firing

An organization funded by the conservative Heritage Foundation has compiled an online “watch list” of federal employees it claims cannot be trusted to secure the U.S. border and should be fired, a sign that supporters of Donald Trump’s immigration policies are preparing to help him neutralize the administrative state they believe tried to thwart his first presidency.

The “DHS Bureaucrat Watch List” — a website unveiled in the final weeks of a presidential campaign in which immigration is a key issue — names 51 federal policy experts and high-ranking leaders, the majority of whom are career civil servants at the Department of Homeland Security and other agencies. The group identified them largely using public social media comments, prior work experience and campaign finance records.

Among the employees’ actions cited by the group are posts celebrating the legalization of same-sex marriage or lauding the contributions and successes of undocumented immigrants, as well as donations as little as $10 to Democratic candidates. One employee union likened the effort to unearth the private views of public employees to Sen. Joseph McCarthy’s 1950s-era campaign to purge federal workers he accused of being communists.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/11/02/federal-career-employees-watchlist-trump/

I suspect getting trumples to answer the question posed in the subject line will be a bit like herding cats but I'm asking you folks to do so anyway.

Should a federal employee be faced with the risk of termination for the views he/she holds on something like the legally protected right (Obergefell) to same sex marriage? What does a person's opinion on same sex marriage have to do with their competence to do their job?

Is it possible the threat of termination could be used as a means of intimidation to get federal employees to comply with directives that are in violation of the law?

Would you trump supporters object if you learned Biden had compiled a list of federal employees earmarked for termination based on the employee's views regarding gun control?

Obama fired all the Generals he didn’t like, right?

 

[berg80]

Of course subversives should not be tolerated.

It would appear trump is preparing to broaden that definition to include contributing $10 to a Dem.

 

[Darkwind]

Gee, it appears you've adopted trump's persecution complex. Are you asserting people who have historically advocated for legal inter racial marriage, gay rights, marriage equality, equal rights for black Americans, are conservatives?

What does any of that have to do with the OP and the thread subject of government rank and file?

 

[Darkwind]

It would appear trump is preparing to broaden that definition to include contributing $10 to a Dem.

Well, that is a lie. But when people like you attribute something to Trump, is is immediately classified as a lie because you will say anything and do anything to prevent him from being elected.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

Just look at the actions of the EPA when Trump was President. They actively ignored stated and written policy in favor of their own beliefs.

That is a crime in My opinion.

Your opinion does not get to determine crime in a republic of written laws.

 

[berg80]

Just look at the actions of the EPA when Trump was President. They actively ignored stated and written policy in favor of their own beliefs.

That is a crime in My opinion.

Link?

‘McCarthyism all over again’? Plan to target federal workers prompts fears​

Trump has vowed to root out ‘rogue bureaucrats’ if he regains the White House​

Donald Trump has made many campaign promises, and replacing career bureaucrats with political loyalists is far from the loudest. The Republican nominee has drawn more attention for his pledges to round up and deport scores of immigrants, prosecute his rivals and deploy soldiers against the “enemy from within.”

But the worry of civil servants shouldn’t be ignored, some Democratic lawmakers say.

“The idea of turning federal civil servants into political loyalists is frightening, whether a president is Democratic or Republican,” said Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., who has helped lead the charge against a possible return of “Schedule F.”

In Trump’s pledge to target bureaucrats, some hear Cold War echoes

Donald Trump has promised to root out “rogue bureaucrats” if he regains the White House, and an outside group has compiled a “subversive” watchlist.

rollcall.com

 

[Darkwind]

Your opinion does not get to determine crime in a republic of written laws.

Correct.

However, there are laws dealing this this kind of thing and all it takes is for someone to bring it to light and put the behavior before someone with authority to do something about it.

 

[berg80]

Well, that is a lie. But when people like you attribute something to Trump, is is immediately classified as a lie because you will say anything and do anything to prevent him from being elected.

Among the employees’ actions cited by the group are posts celebrating the legalization of same-sex marriage or lauding the contributions and successes of undocumented immigrants, as well as donations as little as $10 to Democratic candidates.

 

[Stormy Daniels]

However, there are laws dealing this this kind of thing and all it takes is for someone to bring it to light and put the behavior before someone with authority to do something about it.

And I asked you to bring them to light. But you seem unable to do so. So on what basis do you allege that there is any such law in the first place?

 

[Darkwind]

Link?

‘McCarthyism all over again’? Plan to target federal workers prompts fears​

Trump has vowed to root out ‘rogue bureaucrats’ if he regains the White House​

Donald Trump has made many campaign promises, and replacing career bureaucrats with political loyalists is far from the loudest. The Republican nominee has drawn more attention for his pledges to round up and deport scores of immigrants, prosecute his rivals and deploy soldiers against the “enemy from within.”

But the worry of civil servants shouldn’t be ignored, some Democratic lawmakers say.

“The idea of turning federal civil servants into political loyalists is frightening, whether a president is Democratic or Republican,” said Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., who has helped lead the charge against a possible return of “Schedule F.”

In Trump’s pledge to target bureaucrats, some hear Cold War echoes

Donald Trump has promised to root out “rogue bureaucrats” if he regains the White House, and an outside group has compiled a “subversive” watchlist.

rollcall.com

This has nothing to do with McCarthy, even though he turned out to be absolutely correct.

What it does have to do with is people willing to actively undermine, from within the system, the legally elected leadership of our country.

This is the very heart of what you clowns term, "Democracy" which is in fact, the working of our Republic.

This is akin to Biden signing an EO giving gays the right to marriage and then the employees that cover that aspect of government refusing to hand out marriage licenses.

 

[berg80]

If a civil service employee doesn't want to implement Trump policies and is actually trying to undermine them, they should definitely be fired.

Civil servants are worker bees, it isn't their job to set policy. Policy is set by elected officials and their political appointees.

BTW, civil servants should be "hatched" and prohibited from political activity so it shouldn't be an issue

He is using rhetoric involving the fictitious "deep state" to justify purging employees with whom has he philosophical differences.

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[Darkwind]

Among the employees’ actions cited by the group are posts celebrating the legalization of same-sex marriage or lauding the contributions and successes of undocumented immigrants, as well as donations as little as $10 to Democratic candidates.

Your you mentally retarded or soemthning?

I have stated, for the record, that beliefs are not subject to any kind of test.

You're posting something about someone taking an action.

 

[Darkwind]

He is using rhetoric involving the fictitious "deep state" to justify purging employees with whom has he philosophical differences.

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He is not.

He is using rhetoric to state that actively resisting his poliees in office is grounds for termination.

 

[berg80]

This has nothing to do with McCarthy, even though he turned out to be absolutely correct.

McCarthy was a power hungry drunk who disgraced himself and the office he held.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It would appear trump is preparing to broaden that definition to include contributing $10 to a Dem.

I consider contributing contributing 10 cents to a dem outright treason.

 

[berg80]

Your you mentally retarded or soemthning?

I have stated, for the record, that beliefs are not subject to any kind of test.

You're posting something about someone taking an action.

See post #35.