CDZ Should Americans be allowed to own military sniper rifles and military door buster guns?

[AZrailwhale]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

I am a firm believer in the Constitution. Every U.S. citizen, regardless of age, religion, criminal background, or anything else, should be able to purchase, on the spot, any weapon, military or otherwise. If a citizen, who is Muslim, and who has a fascination with ISIS, jihad, etc, and is freshly out of prison for violent crimes., wants to buy an FN SCAR, he should be able to.

I agree, and the minute they use that firearm, or any weapon for that matter, to main or kill another human being they should be given a fair trial and either executed or put in a very unpleasant prison for life with out the possibility of parole. One strike and you are out.

 

[BlackSand]

So what? Your anecdotal BS has little to do with original intent. You want to parade around with those black powder weapons the 2nd Amendment covered go ahead. My state doesn't restrict them. Too bad almost every business doesn't want people carrying that stuff around on their property, but you fetishists want to force them to. Where is that in the 2nd A? Like I said, suddenly the 2nd cultists are all about cramming Federal law down peoples' throats when it suits their latest fashionable sloganeering.

It also covered a fast sailing ship with up to 8 cannons, which was legal for a private citizen to own under the Second Amendment when ratified by the States.
If you are going to talk about original intent, it is easy enough to realize that a fast ship with up to 8 cannons would not be used for deer hunting nor sport.

You can try to bend and twist the Second Amendment into meaning whatever your little heart desires, but that will always be defeated by the actual intent of which they were more than clear about through several means.

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[Staidhup]

I for one will retain my collection of what my grandfather called the trench clearing gun. The thought that socialists actually believe what they say is base for concern. Apparently they just don’t, or are incapable, of understanding what they say..

 

[Staidhup]

I can’t agree with AZ more, hang em high, the hell with prison. If one is using a gun in the commission of a crime then they are prepared to use it and logical to assume they will do so.

 

[Dick Foster]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Absolutely yes. Except for some sniper rifles are actually hunting rifles repurchased.
The second amendment doesn't say some weapons it simply states that none shall be infringed.
A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state (well regulated meaning well equipped) the right to keep (own) and bear (carry) shall not be infringed (fucked with or regulated in any way whatsoever).

 

[AZrailwhale]

I'm not interested in the ridiculous shite you wright - you're a nutter!

Just tell me how many Americans lost their lives by accident to firearms?

I will tell you 458 in 2018. that is totally unnecessary deaths of many that will never have kids, grandkids, etc.
Over generations thousands that will never live that would have if not for your obsession with lethal weapons.

As for your lies forget about when the Clintons were in power and the rate dropped.

Since 2014, gun-related assault deaths have increased 27%, . Suicide deaths involving guns increased 2.4%, marking the 12th consecutive yearly increase.

Four hundred and fifty eight accidental deaths in a country of three hundred and thirty million. To make things more equitable, lets look at homicides, in 2018 in just England and Wales there were 732 homicides with a population of 66.438,000, there were 16,214 homicides in a nation of 220,000,000. Anyone in the USA is far less likely to be murdered than anyone in England and Wales. Your restrictive gun laws haven't done anything to increase public safety.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

It also covered a fast sailing ship with up to 8 cannons, which was legal for a private citizen to own under the Second Amendment when ratified by the States.
If you are going to talk about original intent, it is easy enough to realize that a fast ship with up to 8 cannons would not be used for deer hunting nor sport.

You can try to bend and twist the Second Amendment into meaning whatever your little heart desires, but that will always be defeated by the actual intent of which they were more than clear about through several means.

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Haven't seen you around in a while.

Keep on shooting.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[Staidhup]

If one is going to hunt with a rifle then it had best be accurate and deadly. If one is going to protect their person, loved ones, and property, it had best contain more than one round with capacity to deliver a one shot kill! A shotgun is a relatively close quarter weapon.

 

[danielpalos]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

What is a sniper rifle? What is a gun used to blow doors off their hinges? The unorganized militia merely needs to know how to shoot straight, not use military style weapons.

 

[beautress]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Many people do not realize a shotgun is considered a military and LEO style weapon and is used by both...

So many Americans already own a Military style weapon without knowing it...

And that is the gun control bait and switch.....they tell uninformed Americans, "We only want to get rid of military style weapons...so give us the power to do it...." and then the uninformed Americans get the letter stating that their deer hunting rifle or pump action shotgun is included in the new ban on military weapons, and they have to sell it or turn it in..........

Technically all firearms could be construed as Military Style which will leave it open to take all firearms at will...

Like you did with your question the left will also play on words while knowing many will not notice the wording and then later realize the left meant all firearms are subjected to this rule...

The sad reality is most Americans are easily fooled...

Well, the second amendment is pretty specific when it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It does but the Democratic Party believe they can and will infringe on it...

The Democrats tend to do world class caterwauling just before they get their dancing shoes on to pass blame for what they did on their most-feared adversary. They fear someone will shoot them if ever they get the power to trade in the American Constitution with Commie-luh ne Hilbillary,'s manifesto of horrors. Catch Mark Levin's talk on Fox News on Saturday. He's livid about that Manifesto the Democrats plan to cram communism down the throats of free people if Biden wins.

Vote Republican if you want to remain a free people who support cops who keep the Republic safe from killers like antifa and BLM have proved over and over in these protests-turned-into-maim-and-kill-police wars.

 

[danielpalos]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Many people do not realize a shotgun is considered a military and LEO style weapon and is used by both...

So many Americans already own a Military style weapon without knowing it...

And that is the gun control bait and switch.....they tell uninformed Americans, "We only want to get rid of military style weapons...so give us the power to do it...." and then the uninformed Americans get the letter stating that their deer hunting rifle or pump action shotgun is included in the new ban on military weapons, and they have to sell it or turn it in..........

Technically all firearms could be construed as Military Style which will leave it open to take all firearms at will...

Like you did with your question the left will also play on words while knowing many will not notice the wording and then later realize the left meant all firearms are subjected to this rule...

The sad reality is most Americans are easily fooled...

Well, the second amendment is pretty specific when it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It does but the Democratic Party believe they can and will infringe on it...

The Democrats tend to do world class caterwauling just before they get their dancing shoes on to pass blame for what they did on their most-feared adversary. They fear someone will shoot them if ever they get the power to trade in the American Constitution with Commie-luh ne Hilbillary,'s manifesto of horrors. Catch Mark Levin's talk on Fox News on Saturday. He's livid about that Manifesto the Democrats plan to cram communism down the throats of free people if Biden wins.

Vote Republican if you want to remain a free people who support cops who keep the Republic safe from killers like antifa and BLM have proved over and over in these protests-turned-into-maim-and-kill-police wars.

It was right wingers who levied war on the Union and formed a confederacy.

 

[beautress]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

To answer the title's question, yes. Also, we must not let anyone take away our constitution's tried and true civil freedoms designed to keep bad government out and government that serves free people in.

 

[danielpalos]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

All the supreme Court did in DC v Miller was ignore the rules of construction and sacrifice the end to the means. Our current domestic intranquility is proof the unorganized militia is worthless to the security of our free States and the reason for gun laws for Individuals of the People.

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[beautress]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Many people do not realize a shotgun is considered a military and LEO style weapon and is used by both...

So many Americans already own a Military style weapon without knowing it...

And that is the gun control bait and switch.....they tell uninformed Americans, "We only want to get rid of military style weapons...so give us the power to do it...." and then the uninformed Americans get the letter stating that their deer hunting rifle or pump action shotgun is included in the new ban on military weapons, and they have to sell it or turn it in..........

Technically all firearms could be construed as Military Style which will leave it open to take all firearms at will...

Like you did with your question the left will also play on words while knowing many will not notice the wording and then later realize the left meant all firearms are subjected to this rule...

The sad reality is most Americans are easily fooled...

Well, the second amendment is pretty specific when it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It does but the Democratic Party believe they can and will infringe on it...

The Democrats tend to do world class caterwauling just before they get their dancing shoes on to pass blame for what they did on their most-feared adversary. They fear someone will shoot them if ever they get the power to trade in the American Constitution with Commie-luh ne Hilbillary,'s manifesto of horrors. Catch Mark Levin's talk on Fox News on Saturday. He's livid about that Manifesto the Democrats plan to cram communism down the throats of free people if Biden wins.

Vote Republican if you want to remain a free people who support cops who keep the Republic safe from killers like antifa and BLM have proved over and over in these protests-turned-into-maim-and-kill-police wars.

It was right wingers who levied war on the Union and formed a confederacy.

No it wasn't. It was white-robed ,Democrats who were mad because the first Republican president was elected based on the Republican support of the idea of all men and women, regardless of skin color were created equal in God's eyes.

The Democrats went and fired on Ft. Sumpter, and not Republicans who respected every kindred and every tribe quintessentially, thankyaverymuch.

 

[danielpalos]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Many people do not realize a shotgun is considered a military and LEO style weapon and is used by both...

So many Americans already own a Military style weapon without knowing it...

And that is the gun control bait and switch.....they tell uninformed Americans, "We only want to get rid of military style weapons...so give us the power to do it...." and then the uninformed Americans get the letter stating that their deer hunting rifle or pump action shotgun is included in the new ban on military weapons, and they have to sell it or turn it in..........

Technically all firearms could be construed as Military Style which will leave it open to take all firearms at will...

Like you did with your question the left will also play on words while knowing many will not notice the wording and then later realize the left meant all firearms are subjected to this rule...

The sad reality is most Americans are easily fooled...

Well, the second amendment is pretty specific when it says that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

It does but the Democratic Party believe they can and will infringe on it...

The Democrats tend to do world class caterwauling just before they get their dancing shoes on to pass blame for what they did on their most-feared adversary. They fear someone will shoot them if ever they get the power to trade in the American Constitution with Commie-luh ne Hilbillary,'s manifesto of horrors. Catch Mark Levin's talk on Fox News on Saturday. He's livid about that Manifesto the Democrats plan to cram communism down the throats of free people if Biden wins.

Vote Republican if you want to remain a free people who support cops who keep the Republic safe from killers like antifa and BLM have proved over and over in these protests-turned-into-maim-and-kill-police wars.

It was right wingers who levied war on the Union and formed a confederacy.

No it wasn't. It was white-robed ,Democrats who were mad because the first Republican president was elected based on the Republican support of the idea of all men and women, regardless of skin color were created equal in God's eyes.

The Democrats went and fired on Ft. Sumpter, and not Republicans who respected every kindred and every tribe quintessentially, thankyaverymuch.

Right wingers voted democrat before the Civil War or there would have been no Civil War.

 

[Nosmo King]

If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Where's my howitzer? Where's my rocket propelled grenade launcher? Where's my mortar?

I absolutely need those weapons to defend my home.

Get real.

 

[2aguy]

You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!

First, the point is this....you and the Europeans constantly act as if your history is superior to the United States.....two World Wars and the Holocaust show you are wrong...

Second, had the countries of Europe been as well armed as the United States there would have been no invasions.....they couldn't have held the territory....that is why they didn't invade Switzerland but invaded all the countries that disarmed their people...

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader.

When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms.

Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.

 

[2aguy]

You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!

You do realize that Japan, with extreme gun control has a higher suicide rate than the U.S....you do understand that...right? And China too.......

Guns do not determine the suicide rate....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world. According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report,

(2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.
Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).
Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
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Suicide rates: An overview

Methods of suicide vary by sex and age
Over the past ten years, the most common method of suicide in Canada has been hanging (44%), which includes strangulation and suffocation; followed by poisoning (25%) and firearm use (16%).
Males were most likely to commit suicide by hanging (46%) while females most often died by poisoning (42%) (Chart 2). Males (20%) were far more likely to use firearms than females (3%).

 

[2aguy]

You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!

You mean the way they have routed the tribesman in Afghanistan? Or won control of Iraq? After 20 years of occupation...

You really are not a bright human being......and those countries don't have the education, the resources, ....... the guns....that Americans have, and our military would divide if they are sent against good Americans...

 

[2aguy]

You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!

Suicide rates...the top ten...notice who isn't in the top 10?

Here are the 10 countries with the highest rates of suicide:

1. Lithuania (31.9 per 100k people)
2. Russia (31 per 100k people)
3. Guyana (29.2 per 100k people)
4. South Korea (26.9 per 100k people)
5. Belarus (26.2 per 100k people)
6. Suriname (22.8 per 100k people)
7. Kazakhstan (22.5 per 100k people)
8. Ukraine (22.4 per 100k people)
9. Lesotho (21.2 per 100k people)
10. Latvia (21.2 per 100k people)

Suicide Rate by Country 2025

worldpopulationreview.com