CDZ Should Americans be allowed to own military sniper rifles and military door buster guns?

You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!


You know absolute zero about the topic you are posting on....

Countries with higher suicide rates than the U.S.....in Europe, the land of the Holocaust and gun control....

Belgium
South Korea
Hungary
Japan
France
Switzerland
Finland
Austria

All above the U.S.........all have extreme gun control laws....you don't know what you are talking about....

 
You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!


First, the point is this....you and the Europeans constantly act as if your history is superior to the United States.....two World Wars and the Holocaust show you are wrong...

Second, had the countries of Europe been as well armed as the United States there would have been no invasions.....they couldn't have held the territory....that is why they didn't invade Switzerland but invaded all the countries that disarmed their people...

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader.


When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms.

Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.
It's not just World Wars, Europe had constant wars.
 
You are talking crap!
You seriously think that if everybody in Europe was armed it would have prevented 2 World Wars?
It wouldn't have made any difference.

The Holocaust. Do you think the Jews would have shot policemen coming to arrest them?
They had no idea where they were going to end up and would never have broken what was German Law.

Let's go on to suicides.
Evidence in the UK has proven that with each restriction on firearms the suicide rates have fallen.
UK 6000 death rate from suicide shows guns are responsible for only 100 that's 1.66%
US 39000 death rate suicide 26000 that is 61% of all firearm deaths out of a total of 48000+ Suicides.

Thus Suicides UK 6000 - guns responsible for 100 =1.66%
" US 48000 " " " 26000 = 55%

Compare the facts!
In the UK where guns are very difficult to come by, only 1.66% of suicides are caused by guns.
In the US a staggering 55% are caused because guns make it very easy.

Finally, your fantasy that you will defeat any US government that intends to suppress the American people with your poxy untrained armed militias. It's really laughable that grown men like you can be so friggin dumb.
The US military will route you in hours in one almighty Waco and all they will do is send in the drones!


First, the point is this....you and the Europeans constantly act as if your history is superior to the United States.....two World Wars and the Holocaust show you are wrong...

Second, had the countries of Europe been as well armed as the United States there would have been no invasions.....they couldn't have held the territory....that is why they didn't invade Switzerland but invaded all the countries that disarmed their people...

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader.


When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms.

Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.
It's not just World Wars, Europe had constant wars.


Mass murder and genocide too...but we should let them lecture us....
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Yes. There's no good reason for a civilian to own a gun if he isn't a soldier or a cop.
There is a long list of good reasons
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?
100% yes! Must have a way to defend the Republic from the Marxist threat.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?
100% yes! Must have a way to defend the Republic from the Marxist threat.
lol. Join the organized militia.
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?
100% yes! Must have a way to defend the Republic from the Marxist threat.
lol. Join the organized militia.
Marine Corps infantry...combat veteran. I could teach the militia a few things.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Wrong.

Left wingers have massive english comprehyension problems.

The people means the common citizens it does not mean an elite or select group such as militia.The common citizens are specifically who the second applies to the common people do indeed have a literal recourse to the secodn amendment,.

That is what the sercond amendment says and that is absolute fact. You have been corrected.
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?

Yes. There's no good reason for a civilian to own a gun if he isn't a soldier or a cop.
No good reason ? Of course there is because the goddamn 2nd Amendment says I can.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
"Subject only to the police power" adding make believe shit to the Amendment does not prove your case The Government and police have zero power when it come to the law abiding citizens ownership of firearms. .
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?
100% yes! Must have a way to defend the Republic from the Marxist threat.
lol. Join the organized militia.
Marine Corps infantry...combat veteran. I could teach the militia a few things.
Yes, regulars could. The point is, we should have no security problems in our free States because we have a Second Amendment. Don't grab guns, grab gun lovers and Regulate them Well.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Wrong.

Left wingers have massive english comprehyension problems.

The people means the common citizens it does not mean an elite or select group such as militia.The common citizens are specifically who the second applies to the common people do indeed have a literal recourse to the secodn amendment,.

That is what the sercond amendment says and that is absolute fact. You have been corrected.
In right wing fantasy you are Right simply because you are on the right wing.

The People are the Militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized and subject to the traditional police power of a State.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
"Subject only to the police power" adding make believe shit to the Amendment does not prove your case The Government and police have zero power when it come to the law abiding citizens ownership of firearms. .

Under our federal form of Government you have States' sovereign rights to consider. The traditional police power of the several States is guaranteed by our Tenth Amendment.
 
What if someone commits suicide with a gun rather than serving a long prison sentence for unlawful felonious felony possession of an illegal firearm? Who loses?

What if "polite society" insists on banning guns and making a targeted individual's life so miserable that she or he would prefer to die than to suffer all the ignominy imposed by arbitrary mental health (or Orwellian "thoughtcrime") gun control measures?

Even worse, what if cops in concert with foreign military forces are shooting at targeted individuals to kill, and they just don't want us to be able to shoot back under any circumstances?
 
If some people believe that Americans shouldn't be allowed to own "military style" rifles....what about actual military sniper rifles? How about military guns used to blow doors off their hinges? These are weapons used in actual war by the military.....should they be banned since they are actual military weapons vs. "military style," weapons?

And do you understand that under the Miller ruling....from the Supreme Court....actual military weapons are protected under the 2nd Amendment?
When the Bill of Rights was introduced ,a MUSKET was a weapon of War. Therefore ,the Dems would have to get a Constitutional Amendment. Takes 38 States.
 
There is absolutely no need for the unorganized militia to have those types of weapons. Organized militia should be rated for it and qualified on any given weapon; well regulated militia of the People may not be Infringed when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union. Well regulated militia are a State's sovereign right.
We are discussing the people.not the militia

The people are coming citizens whose right the second amendment protects

Nobody takes right wingers seriously about the law, or economics. The People are the militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized.

Only well regulated militia have literal recourse to our Second Amendment when keeping and bearing Arms for their State or the Union.

otherwise,

Subject only to the police power, the right of the individual citizen to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Wrong.

Left wingers have massive english comprehyension problems.

The people means the common citizens it does not mean an elite or select group such as militia.The common citizens are specifically who the second applies to the common people do indeed have a literal recourse to the secodn amendment,.

That is what the sercond amendment says and that is absolute fact. You have been corrected.
In right wing fantasy you are Right simply because you are on the right wing.

The People are the Militia. You are either well regulated or unorganized and subject to the traditional police power of a State.
Wrong

It is not left or right wing it is what the second states and does not specify that immunological members may own guns

It applies to individual citizens and left.wing tools have to lie to ignore that fact
 

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