Should a Black Baker be Forced to Bake a Cake for a KKK Wedding?

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

/——/ it was a pun. To be specific no atheist should be forced to bake a cake for a Christian wedding.

Okay so this might seem like a stupid question but if a person is in the "cake baking business" why should they be allowed to refuse service to someone who is of a religion/belief that they are not? Isn't that what the public accommodation laws very created to address?

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Neither is LGBT.

And despite the supreme court's reasoning, "protected class" by definition, violates equal protection. No amount of good intentions will change that fact.

Government forcing one person to serve another is involuntary servitude. Does the 13th Amendment only apply to protected classes?

Apparently in some parts of the country it is and others it's not as of February 2018. This is a very interesting article on the case:

Reversing itself, the Second Circuit held on Monday, February 26, that sexual orientation discrimination is discrimination “because of . . . sex” under Title VII in Zarda v. Altitude Express. The Second Circuit’s decision aligns it with the Seventh Circuit and places it squarely at odds with the Eleventh Circuit.


This is important for two reasons. First and most obviously, if you live in New York, Connecticut, Vermont, Indiana, Illinois, or Wisconsin, then federal law prohibits you being fired for your sexual orientation, while there is no such protection for those in Georgia, Alabama, and Florida. (It’s basically a roll of the dice everywhere else.) Second, perhaps less obviously, the Zarda case tees the issue up nicely for review by SCOTUS.

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[Picaro]

Of course the entire premise of the Supreme Court even having to rule on such a ludicrous scam as claiming sexual fetishes are political 'rights' and the mentally ill fetishists themselves constitute a political 'minority' is ignored; this indicates just how infantile and ridiculous the country's culture and basic common sense has deteriorated into insanity. Perhaps it is indeed time to go along with the Democrats, deviants, and traitors, and turn the place over to the Red Chinese, the new BEst FRiend Forever of Wall Street and the 'Globalist Business Community' and the Muslims. Let them fight over the carcass.

 

[Linkiloo]

The KKK types can't afford to have a bakery bake their cakes. So its moot.

 

[theHawk]

He should be able to say to the hooded moron, “This is private property, get out, I will not bake you a cake. Go make your own damn cake.”

Dems have made it quite clear they are in favor of forcing black bakers to make that KKK cake.

 

[Cellblock2429]

/——/ it was a pun. To be specific no atheist should be forced to bake a cake for a Christian wedding.

Okay so this might seem like a stupid question but if a person is in the "cake baking business" why should they be allowed to refuse service to someone who is of a religion/belief that they are not? Isn't that what the public accommodation laws very created to address?

/——/ That’s the problem with hypothetical questions. You end up debating something that doesn’t happen.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

can Rachael Dolezol bake a cake for a black man who feels like a white woman who feels like an angry gorilla?

 

[Silhouette]

can Rachael Dolezol bake a cake for a black man who feels like a white woman who feels like an angry gorilla?

She can! But ultimately the choice is up to her since the USSC Decision on the Colorado backer came down this week.

 

[LittleNipper]

/——/ it was a pun. To be specific no atheist should be forced to bake a cake for a Christian wedding.

Okay so this might seem like a stupid question but if a person is in the "cake baking business" why should they be allowed to refuse service to someone who is of a religion/belief that they are not? Isn't that what the public accommodation laws very created to address?

Would you knowingly sell candy to a man who you thought might intentionally be using that candy to lure children into his car? No one is entitled to be liked and it seems most obvious to me if one would read back over the kinds of remarks some people here say about GOD and various religious beliefs, that they do not treat others as they wish to be treated ---- expecting a one way street that accommodates them and their values and opinions but denies those with opposing views from practicing the very same puns, remarks, and denials towards them... It's called HYPOCRISY.

So, the next time you hear the term "Separation of church and STATE", please remember that's a cue that someone or something or some opinion or value is being excluded from a discussion------selectively, to the accommodation of others.

 

[Silhouette]

Would you knowingly sell candy to a man who you thought might intentionally be using that candy to lure children into his car? No one is entitled to be liked and it seems most obvious to me if one would read back over the kinds of remarks some people here say about GOD and various religious beliefs, that they do not treat others as they wish to be treated ---- expecting a one way street that accommodates them and their values and opinions but denies those with opposing views from practicing the very same puns, remarks, and denials towards them... It's called HYPOCRISY.

So, the next time you hear the term "Separation of church and STATE", please remember that's a cue that someone or something or some opinion or value is being excluded from a discussion------selectively, to the accommodation of others.

That is especially true when you realize that the Court just indicated that LGBT and their state apologist/promoters are a religion, or at least a lifestyle of opposing values. The Court said that the state does not get to make the subjective call that something is offensive to it. Because then the state is declaring its own form of religion it expects others to adhere to...OR ELSE..

What's important to remember here is that if the denial for a cake was based on race, religion (bona fide, not covert/cult), actual gender or country of origin, then the Decision would've been different. Yes, it would've been. So what the Court was recognizing in its decision without actually enunciating it as clearly as I am here is that LGBTQPP etc. etc. etc. are BEHAVIORS of a LIFESTYLE. As such they have equal weight in the law when it comes to being discriminatory towards people of faith in their lifestyle. That's what the Court meant when it said the state must take a "neutral" stance towards people of faith's right to object. They were saying "look, it's one lifestyle vs another and both have equal weight".

So the only recourse any state or government has is to force all business owners to do anything a customer asks within their scope of business, even if it is wholly repugnant to the core of their being. And that includes say, requiring a gay graphic designer to print a mammoth billboard for a busy state highway that says "Homosexuality is a sin unto God". If he refuses, and billboards are his jam for everyone else, then he gets fined, rebuked, etc. etc. etc. Either it's both or neither.

And I suspect this is building up to "neither". "The right to refuse service" as a private business owner will be invoked. And then the marketplace will decide who stays in business and who doesn't. Not some state entity behavior as the hit man for a deviant sex cult.

 

[Lakhota]

What goes around comes around.

 

[Cellblock2429]

What goes around comes around.

/----/ Cashiers don't own the grocery store you nitwit; they have no say. The owners of the bakery refused to bake the cakes.

 

[Dragonlady]

He should be able to say to the hooded moron, “This is private property, get out, I will not bake you a cake. Go make your own damn cake.”

The last time I looked, “racist, white supremacist” was not a “protected class” under anti/discrimination statutes.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

The last time I looked, “racist, white supremacist” was not a “protected class” under anti/discrimination statutes.

So, what you're saying is that only white dudes should be forced to do shit they don't want to do?

You racist motherfucker.

 

[Polishprince]

Isnt a very good analogy IMO

I agree.

A better analogy would be should a Homosexual Baker be compelled to bake a cake to celebrate someone who went to therapy and officially changed from gay to straight.

 

[LittleNipper]

Isnt a very good analogy IMO

I agree.

A better analogy would be should a Homosexual Baker be compelled to bake a cake to celebrate someone who went to therapy and officially changed from gay to straight.

Ant the fact that this healed individual was now going to marry a woman.

 

[Rexx Taylor]

what if I walked into a bakery owned by the KKK and asked if they could bake a cake in Honor of MLK and Dennis Roddman?

 

[LeftofLeft]

The Klan isn’t a protected class.

Hey, for that matter, maybe a baker doesn’t believe in unmarried couple living together and therefore denies them their request for a cake celebrating their cohabitation.

 

[Silhouette]

The Klan isn’t a protected class.

Hey, for that matter, maybe a baker doesn’t believe in unmarried couple living together and therefore denies them their request for a cake celebrating their cohabitation.

The list of behaviors people are allowed to fundamentally disagree with and refuse to promote is almost endless.

 

[LittleNipper]

The Klan isn’t a protected class.

Hey, for that matter, maybe a baker doesn’t believe in unmarried couple living together and therefore denies them their request for a cake celebrating their cohabitation.

The list of behaviors people are allowed to fundamentally disagree with and refuse to promote is almost endless.

Exactly! So it is not for the Federal Republic to pick and choose!