Sheriff Finch Interview: I vow to Uphold the Constitution!

[The2ndAmendment]

Get mad gun CONTROLers, get really mad!
Exclusive Interview With Liberty Co. Sheriff Nick Finch: "I Will Never Back Down!"

 

[Geaux4it]

The Sheriffs will be the ones to hold up the constitution in the end.

-Geaux

 

[billyerock1991]

Get mad gun CONTROLers, get really mad!
Exclusive Interview With Liberty Co. Sheriff Nick Finch: "I Will Never Back Down!"

well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

for those who don't seem to understand the meaning of the constitution ... it says regulated meaning that the government can regulate what guns you are entitled to have... if you righties don't seem to understand the meaning of those words I's not our fault that you righties live in the world of stupid

 

[billyerock1991]

The Sheriffs will be the ones to hold up the constitution in the end.

-Geaux

what will happen is some person well be abused by what ever law he's not enforcing ... after their third 5 million dollar suit against them, he'll either enforce the law, or get fired from not doing his job ... it's that simple ...

 

[The2ndAmendment]

well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

for those who don't seem to understand the meaning of the constitution ... it says regulated meaning that the government can regulate what guns you are entitled to have... if you righties don't seem to understand the meaning of those words I's not our fault that you righties live in the world of stupid

Even the Supreme Court has declared that "REGULATED" means a disciplined army. That was the meaning of the word in the late 1700's. Dope.

If the argument was that easy, don't you think every "legitimate" gun control group would be clinging to that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

This is precisely why I hate Libtards, they don't even research, in the slightest, before they type.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22

EAT SHIT COMMIE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22

EAT SHIT COMMIE

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22

Well Regulated

The Random House College Dictionary (1980) gives four definitions for the word "regulate," which were all in use during the Colonial period and one more definition dating from 1690 (Oxford English Dictionary, 2nd Edition, 1989). They are:

1) To control or direct by a rule, principle, method, etc.

2) To adjust to some standard or requirement as for amount, degree, etc.

3) To adjust so as to ensure accuracy of operation.

4) To put in good order.

[obsolete sense]

b. Of troops: Properly disciplined. Obs. rare-1.

1690 Lond. Gaz. No. 2568/3 We hear likewise that the French are in a great Allarm in Dauphine and Bresse, not having at present 1500 Men of regulated Troops on that side.

We can begin to deduce what well-regulated meant from Alexander Hamilton's words in Federalist Paper No. 29:

The project of disciplining all the militia of the United States is as futile as it would be injurious if it were capable of being carried into execution. A tolerable expertness in military movements is a business that requires time and practice. It is not a day, nor a week nor even a month, that will suffice for the attainment of it. To oblige the great body of the yeomanry and of the other classes of the citizens to be under arms for the purpose of going through military exercises and evolutions, as often as might be necessary to acquire the degree of perfection which would entitle them to the character of a well regulated militia, would be a real grievance to the people and a serious public inconvenience and loss.
--- The Federalist Papers, No. 29.

Hamilton indicates a well-regulated militia is a state of preparedness obtained after rigorous and persistent training. Note the use of 'disciplining' which indicates discipline could be synonymous with well-trained.

This quote from the Journals of the Continental Congress, 1774-1789 also conveys the meaning of well regulated:

Resolved , That this appointment be conferred on experienced and vigilant general officers, who are acquainted with whatever relates to the general economy, manoeuvres and discipline of a well regulated army.
--- Saturday, December 13, 1777.

In the passage that follows, do you think the U.S. government was concerned because the Creek Indians' tribal regulations were superior to those of the Wabash or was it because they represented a better trained and disciplined fighting force?

That the strength of the Wabash Indians who were principally the object of the resolve of the 21st of July 1787, and the strength of the Creek Indians is very different. That the said Creeks are not only greatly superior in numbers but are more united, better regulated, and headed by a man whose talents appear to have fixed him in their confidence. That from the view of the object your Secretary has been able to take he conceives that the only effectual mode of acting against the said Creeks in case they should persist in their hostilities would be by making an invasion of their country with a powerful body of well regulated troops always ready to combat and able to defeat any combination of force the said Creeks could oppose and to destroy their towns and provisions.
--- Saturday, December 13, 1777.

I am unacquainted with the extent of your works, and consequently ignorant of the number or men necessary to man them. If your present numbers should be insufficient for that purpose, I would then by all means advise your making up the deficiency out of the best regulated militia that can be got.
--- George Washington (The Writings of George Washington, pp. 503-4, (G.P. Putnam & Sons, pub.)(1889))

The above quote is clearly not a request for a militia with the best set of regulations. (For brevity the entire passage is not shown and this quote should not be construed to imply Washington favored militias, in fact he thought little of them, as the full passage indicates.)

But Dr Sir I am Afraid it would blunt the keen edge they have at present which might be keept sharp for the Shawnese &c: I am convinced it would be Attended by considerable desertions. And perhaps raise a Spirit of Discontent not easily Queld amongst the best regulated troops, but much more so amongst men unused to the Yoak of Military Discipline.
--- Letter from Colonel William Fleming to Col. Adam Stephen, Oct 8, 1774, pp. 237-8. (Documentary History of Dunmore's War, 1774, Wisconsin historical society, pub. (1905))

And finally, a late-17th century comparison between the behavior of a large collection of seahorses and well-regulated soldiers:

One of the Seamen that had formerly made a Greenland Voyage for Whale-Fishing, told us that in that country he had seen very great Troops of those Sea-Horses ranging upon Land, sometimes three or four hundred in a Troop: Their great desire, he says, is to roost themselves on Land in the Warm Sun; and Whilst they sleep, they apppoint one to stand Centinel, and watch a certain time; and when that time's expir'd, another takes his place of Watching, and the first Centinel goes to sleep, &c. observing the strict Discipline, as a Body of Well-regulated Troops
--- (Letters written from New-England, A. D. 1686. P. 47, John Dutton (1867))

The quoted passages support the idea that a well-regulated militia was synonymous with one that was thoroughly trained and disciplined, and as a result, well-functioning. That description fits most closely with the "to put in good order" definition supplied by the Random House dictionary. The Oxford dictionary's definition also appears to fit if one considers discipline in a military context to include or imply well-trained.

What about the Amendment's text itself? Considering the adjective "well" and the context of the militia clause, which is more likely to ensure the security of a free state, a militia governed by numerous laws (or the proper amount of regulation [depending on the meaning of "well"] ) or a well-disciplined and trained militia? This brief textual analysis also suggests "to put in good order" is the correct interpretation of well regulated, signifying a well disciplined, trained, and functioning militia.

And finally, when regulated is used as an adjective, its meaning varies depending on the noun its modifying and of course the context. For example: well regulated liberty (properly controlled), regulated rifle (adjusted for accuracy), and regulated commerce (governed by regulations) all express a different meaning for regulated. This is by no means unusual, just as the word, bear, conveys a different meaning depending on the word it modifies: bearing arms, bearing fruit, or bearing gifts.

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[billyerock1991]

well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

for those who don't seem to understand the meaning of the constitution ... it says regulated meaning that the government can regulate what guns you are entitled to have... if you righties don't seem to understand the meaning of those words I's not our fault that you righties live in the world of stupid

Even the Supreme Court has declared that "REGULATED" means a disciplined army. That was the meaning of the word in the late 1700's. Dope.

If the argument was that easy, don't you think every "legitimate" gun control group would be clinging to that?

no they didn't

 

[The2ndAmendment]

no they didn't

What, did you read the link with a blindfold on?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secon...ution#Meaning_of_.22well_regulated_militia.22
http://www.newtownbee.com/news/editorial-ink-drops/2013/02/26/well-regulated-militia/5733
http://www.guncite.com/gc2ndmea.html

In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[144]

In the year prior to the drafting of the Second Amendment, in Federalist No. 29 Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training" of the militia as specified in the enumerated powers:

EAT SHIT COMMIE

In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[144]

In the year prior to the drafting of the Second Amendment, in Federalist No. 29 Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training" of the militia as specified in the enumerated powers:

EAT SHIT COMMIE

In Heller, the U.S. Supreme Court stated that "[t]he adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training."[144]

In the year prior to the drafting of the Second Amendment, in Federalist No. 29 Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training" of the militia as specified in the enumerated powers:

EAT SHIT COMMIE

 

[billyerock1991]

what the ruled on was you couldn't band a hand gun, the never ruled on the word regulated ...

On June 26, 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), the United States Supreme Court issued its first decision since 1939 interpreting the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense. It also ruled that two District of Columbia provisions, one that banned handguns and one that required lawful firearms in the home to be disassembled or trigger-locked, violate this right.

The Second Amendment, one of the ten amendments to the Constitution comprising the Bill of Rights, states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The meaning of this sentence is not self-evident, and has given rise to much commentary but relatively few Supreme Court decisions.

In cases in the 19th Century, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment does not bar state regulation of firearms. For example, in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), the Court stated that the Second Amendment “has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government,” and in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886), the Court reiterated that the Second Amendment “is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the National government, and not upon that of the States.” Although most of the rights in the Bill of Rights have been selectively incorporated (PDF) into the rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment and thus cannot be impaired by state governments, the Second Amendment has never been so incorporated.

 

[Geaux4it]

what the ruled on was you couldn't band a hand gun, the never ruled on the word regulated ...

On June 26, 2008, in District of Columbia v. Heller (PDF), the United States Supreme Court issued its first decision since 1939 interpreting the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. The Court ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution confers an individual right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes such as self-defense. It also ruled that two District of Columbia provisions, one that banned handguns and one that required lawful firearms in the home to be disassembled or trigger-locked, violate this right.

The Second Amendment, one of the ten amendments to the Constitution comprising the Bill of Rights, states: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” The meaning of this sentence is not self-evident, and has given rise to much commentary but relatively few Supreme Court decisions.

In cases in the 19th Century, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment does not bar state regulation of firearms. For example, in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 553 (1875), the Court stated that the Second Amendment “has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government,” and in Presser v. Illinois, 116 U.S. 252, 265 (1886), the Court reiterated that the Second Amendment “is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the National government, and not upon that of the States.” Although most of the rights in the Bill of Rights have been selectively incorporated (PDF) into the rights guaranteed by the Fourteenth Amendment and thus cannot be impaired by state governments, the Second Amendment has never been so incorporated.

Ok- and your point?

-Geaux

 

[billyerock1991]

Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training I rest my case

 

[The2ndAmendment]

Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training I rest my case

Neg Rep the shit out of this little Communist pig for deliberately lying and having the nerve to try and defend it. Learn when to gtfo, 've done it afew times myself on these boards. Sometimes you simply fuck up hard son.

 

[eflatminor]

...regulated meaning that the government can regulate what guns you are entitled to have...

I would agree with you, but you're wrong.

 

[eflatminor]

Alexander Hamilton wrote the following about "organizing", "disciplining", "arming", and "training I rest my case

The following what? It's not even 5 am and you appear to be drunk. Tell us it's an all all-nighter and that you haven't hit the bottle before breakfast!

Perhaps you should rest your head before attempting to post again...

 

[editec]

So now some of us think that local sheriffs are the arbitors of the Constitution?

Sheriffs?!?!



Honest to God you people get sillier and sillier all the time.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If

1. If concealed carry without a permit is a felony in Florida, and,

2. if the sheriff witnessed the commission of this felony, and,

3. if Florida law requires law enforcement officers witnessing a felony to make an arrest (in other words, if they are not allowed discretion in such a case)

then this sheriff would be in violation of his legal obligation as a Florida law enforcement officer...

...his personal views on the 2nd amendment notwithstanding.

 

[eflatminor]

So now some of us think that local sheriffs are the arbitors of the Constitution?

Screw with the wrong county, and you'll find out. Free will, it is a bitch.

 

[Geaux4it]

So now some of us think that local sheriffs are the arbitors of the Constitution?

Screw with the wrong county, and you'll find out. Free will, it is a bitch.

Indeed

-Geaux

https://news.washeriff.net/open-letter-to-president-barack-obama/

Utah sheriffs send letter to president, they will defend rights to firearms | opposition to executive orders of gun controlSt. George News | STGnews.com

Growing List of Sheriffs, Associations and Police Chiefs Saying ?NO? to Obama Gun Control | CSPOA - Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association

Oregon sheriffs sending a message: We won't take your guns | OregonLive.com

Number Of Nation's Sheriffs Refusing To Enforce Unconstitutional Gun Laws Snowballs | CNS News

 

[editec]

So now some of us think that local sheriffs are the arbitors of the Constitution?

Screw with the wrong county, and you'll find out. Free will, it is a bitch.

That's the rebel's ace in the hole?

That County Sheriffs will stand down the rule of law?

Well, no doubt some might be willing to do that.

 

[National Socialist]

Get mad gun CONTROLers, get really mad!
Exclusive Interview With Liberty Co. Sheriff Nick Finch: "I Will Never Back Down!"

well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

for those who don't seem to understand the meaning of the constitution ... it says regulated meaning that the government can regulate what guns you are entitled to have... if you righties don't seem to understand the meaning of those words I's not our fault that you righties live in the world of stupid

Its amazing how you got well regulated militia into allowing the government to regulate guns...amazing stuff.

 

[The2ndAmendment]

At least he had the honor to finally step down. He should have deleted his posts for his own sake. lol