Shell Strikes U.N. School, Killing Up To 19 Who Sought Shelter

[kwc57]

When did America become so fascist?

Its seems that though the Germans lost WWII, the fascists won it.

November 2008.

 

[Coyote]

Same old song.

What has Hamas actually done to help the Palestinians?

Not much, but did they bomb the civilians?

Who's to blame?

They sent rockets into civilian areas of Israel so, yes - they did.

 

[Pennywise]

So what's the point of the thread?

 

[MHunterB]

There is no such thing as a "Shelter" in a War Zone. Those who live there have a limited selection of choices.... Fight, Surrender, Leave, or Be Potential Collateral Damage. Any of the first three options can be defended. The last is simply sheer stupidity.

There is if the Geneva convention is being adhered to.

........by BOTH sides.

This is less about 'pinpoint accuracy' than about the documented use of hospitals, schools and mosques as starting points for tunnels dug to give HAMAS troops access en masse into Israel.

 

[Coyote]

So what's the point of the thread?

A place recognized as a shelter should not have been bombed and, if no where was recognized as safe why were leaflets being dropped guiding civilians? Why couldn't they have been allowed to leave Gaza until it was over?

 

[docmauser1]

Pinpoint accuracy?

Yes. But ambulances, marked "UN", ferrying hamas thugs, are more interesting, of course.

This was a school where refugees were told they would be safe.

And who told them that?

Try to keep up.

Muchly do! Bth., are UN ambulances, ferrying hamass thugs, less interesting, than the UN, bitching about its "gun-free" skools?

 

[Coyote]

Yes. But ambulances, marked "UN", ferrying hamas thugs, are more interesting, of course.

This was a school where refugees were told they would be safe.

And who told them that?

Try to keep up.

Muchly do! Bth., are UN ambulances, ferrying hamass thugs, less interesting, than the UN, bitching about its "gun-free" skools?

Link?

 

[Pennywise]

So what's the point of the thread?

A place recognized as a shelter should not have been bombed and, if no where was recognized as safe why were leaflets being dropped guiding civilians? Why couldn't they have been allowed to leave Gaza until it was over?

And who bombed it?

 

[MHunterB]

There is no such thing as a "Shelter" in a War Zone. Those who live there have a limited selection of choices.... Fight, Surrender, Leave, or Be Potential Collateral Damage. Any of the first three options can be defended. The last is simply sheer stupidity.

You don't stand outside during a hurricane. You shutter the windows and take shelter in the heart of the building, you leave till it passes, you go to a government shelter, but you don't stand outside with everything being blown around trying to get hit or swept away.

You don't take shelter in a war zone where there are rockets being fired. You go to an area that is not likely to be targeted. A red cross or blue UN on the roof does not mean much if the roof or courtyard is a base for rockets and weapons or the source of attacks on Israel.
If a hospital has a tank or artillery outside the front door, it is very likely the hospital will be collateral damage. Hamas is like the turtle, it hides behind the shell of "safe" place and comes out to bite then hides again. You are not getting the turtle out without breaking the shell.

It is a stupid and vindictive fantasy to suggest that EVERYWHERE in Gaza is being hit with ammo all at the same time. Even the reporter I heard being interviewed on NPR yesterday acknowledged that 'war zone' is still not 'at the front' in terms of actual shots being fired.

AS for the 'school' situation: The operators of the school may or may not know that HAMAS has stashed 'GC-busting' items on the premises or very nearby. I suspect that it won't be possible in most of these situations to find out who knew what when so the proper people can be held responsible.

HAMAS has been caught out by multiple reporters for 'sanitizing' the scene of at least one HAMAS misfire which killed Palestinian children. The reporters have had their lives threatened for making those reports.

So I don't think ANYONE is going to be able to find out the exact details.

I'll remind everyone that it's not the Israelis who have the destruction of other political organizations as the declared goal of their foundational document - it's HAMAS.

 

[docmauser1]

So what's the point of the thread?

Our honorable moderator inadvertently indirectly confirming that, jews are better, than arabs, of course.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Shell Strikes U.N. School, Killing Up To 19 Who Sought Shelter

As many as 19 people were killed when a shell struck a school run by the United Nations in Gaza, this morning.

In a message on Twitter, , the commissioner-general of UNRWA, which is responsible for the welfare of Palestinian refugees, blamed the attack on the Israeli military.

"Children, women and men killed & injured as they slept in place where they should have been safe and protected," Krähenbühl said, referring to the fact that the school was being used as a shelter. "They were not. Intolerable."

According to Krähenbühl, this is the sixth time shells have hit a UNRWA school. He "a breaking point."

NPR's Emily Harris reports that this is the second time a U.N. school has been hit and people have been killed.

Pinpoint accuracy?

Civilians die in every war. Instead of holding up a handful of accidents like the whole war is thereby unjustifiable how about putting it into context with US operations in Iraq and Afganistan?

Think out precision munitions have prevented civilian casualties? From 2003-2011 US forces have killed over 114,000 Iraqi civilians.
https://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/numbers/2011/

We'll see how Israel does with their's and compare. We'll compensate for shorter spans of time, and total population and figure out who conducts wars with more concern over civilians. Israel or the US.

 

[Daniyel]

Egypt doesn't open Rafah, I ain't wonder why..and no, Palestinians can't go to Israel.

 

[MHunterB]

So what's the point of the thread?

A place recognized as a shelter should not have been bombed and, if no where was recognized as safe why were leaflets being dropped guiding civilians? Why couldn't they have been allowed to leave Gaza until it was over?

And who bombed it?

As I've tried to point out - it may or may not have actually qualified as a shelter per the GC, and HAMAS and the IDF may have given different reports on that point to the 'management' there (which there is proof than HAMAS has lied about such things before, from actual reporters in Gaza).

As to not being allowed to leave Gaza - the Egyptians have a say there and they have closed Rafah. And again, HAMAS has apparently already lied to one group of international reporters, claiming the Israelis had closed the crossing when the IDF was 'open' and expecting them.

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas is for initiating the Rockets

Same old song.

What has Hamas actually done to help the Palestinians?

Actually, what hamass didn't do to "help" them? It hasn't, so far, fulfilled their dreams of the "liberated palestine" and stuff, of course.

 

[fanger]

What will you say when Israeli's in refugee camps are bombed and attacked by flechette rounds?

 

[R.C. Christian]

What will you say when Israeli's in refugee camps are bombed and attacked by flechette rounds?

I'd say that that has already happened multiple times. It's an illegal weapon but that doesn't stop the cowards at the IDF from using it. While they kill civilians their real enemy is stacking up IDF corpses.

 

[docmauser1]

What will you say when Israeli's in refugee camps are bombed and attacked by flechette rounds?

Ah! A palistanian war crime! - Israeli's in refugee camps are bombed and attacked by flechette rounds!

 

[docmauser1]

This was a school where refugees were told they would be safe.

And who told them that?

Try to keep up.

Muchly do! Bth., are UN ambulances, ferrying hamass thugs, less interesting, than the UN, bitching about its "gun-free" skools?

Link?

Oh, muchly apologizings! Me was sure it's a well-known fact, but, it's evident that, misapplication of western concepts (peace, freedom, etc.) to the arab world prevents certain folks from keeping up, so, the solution! - let's type "un ambulances hamas" in the search field of some search "engine" and enjoy. Bth., if we want more of interesting things we get:
ambulances as getaway cars
hamass headquarters at Gaza’s main hospital (Shifa)
hiding rockets and tunnel entrances in mosques
masquerading as israeli soldiers
wearing fems'(!) garb
weapons in baby blankets
poor donkeys - a donkey with explosives on jul. 18!

 

[Lipush]

When you launch rockets from near and inside a "shelter" or a school, it is no longer a safe place.

It said, but unsurprising, that Hamas reduced to the level of rocket launching where children are.

And It's a serious change in thinking by the IDF. Usually, when knowing children are nearby, the place would stay untouched. But the massive loses on the Israeli side caused the IDF to change thinking.

Truly a sad reality.

Massive losses?

Yes, massive loses.

When the media completely ignores the Israeli side, I'm not surprised at the question. You know that Israel buries its sons as well, don't you?

Or did you think for one minute that we sit back and still unaffected.?

 

[Lipush]

When you launch rockets from near and inside a "shelter" or a school, it is no longer a safe place.

It said, but unsurprising, that Hamas reduced to the level of rocket launching where children are.

And It's a serious change in thinking by the IDF. Usually, when knowing children are nearby, the place would stay untouched. But the massive loses on the Israeli side caused the IDF to change thinking.

Truly a sad reality.

Who is to blame?

Hamas.