JimBowie1958
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Senator John McCain particularly galls me, among all the hypocrits, poseurs and bought shills that we have in our political system in Washington DC. This man is particularly reckless and whose actions may have caused the deaths of at least 134 fellow servicemen on the USS Forestall, then he was a collaborator and traitor who gave over government secrets as a prisoner in Vietnam, and who has been the most prolific obstructionist in regards to investigated cases of possible POW still alive in Vietnam.
First the USS Forestall fire. While John McCains fellow sailors were desperately fighting the fire, McCain was the first flown off the aircraft carrier. Many that were on the ship claim that McCain had actually caused the original firing of a rocket that caused the fire, but the official investigation concluded he was not responsible. Being the son of an Admiral means you dont have an investigation by the Navy done, only Congressional cover ups.
Second, His time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam was less than stellar. He was tortured, certainly, but then so was just about all POWs, except the ones who continued to resist. McCain collaborated and got special treatment afterwards, while other servicemen died from their torture rather than be a traitor, but the spoiled son of a Navy Admiral was determined it was not going to be him. And instead of giving false information, McCain gave real stuff that got him better treatment.
John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn? Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad: a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnam era) POWs." ...
Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy."
The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."
Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts.
A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations� We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."
John McCain was a collaborator,a reckless and irresponsible Traitor to his country who only got the awards, medals and commendations he received because he was an admirals son.
First the USS Forestall fire. While John McCains fellow sailors were desperately fighting the fire, McCain was the first flown off the aircraft carrier. Many that were on the ship claim that McCain had actually caused the original firing of a rocket that caused the fire, but the official investigation concluded he was not responsible. Being the son of an Admiral means you dont have an investigation by the Navy done, only Congressional cover ups.
Second, His time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam was less than stellar. He was tortured, certainly, but then so was just about all POWs, except the ones who continued to resist. McCain collaborated and got special treatment afterwards, while other servicemen died from their torture rather than be a traitor, but the spoiled son of a Navy Admiral was determined it was not going to be him. And instead of giving false information, McCain gave real stuff that got him better treatment.
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John McCain is being hailed by the press as a "genuine war hero." But is he a war hero in the conventional sense like Audie Murphy and John Glenn? Or is his "war hero" status the creation of a very slick publicity campaign that plays on flag, duty, honor and country?
For sure, McCain has the fruitsalad: a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service gongs.
On a purely medal count basis, he outweighs Murphy and Glenn, who both for years repeatedly performed extraordinary deeds on the ground or in the air against an armed enemy.
McCain's valor awards are based on what happened in 1967, when during his 23d mission over Vietnam, he was shot down, seriously injured, captured and then spent 5 1/2 brutal years as a POW.
In an attempt to find out exactly what the man did to earn these many hero awards, I asked his Senate office three times to provide copies of the narratives for each medal. I'm still waiting.
I next went to the Pentagon. Within a week, I received a recap of his medals and many of the narratives that give the details of what he did.
None of the awards, less the DFC, were for heroism over the battlefield where he spent no more than 20 hours. Two Naval officers described the awards as "boilerplate" and "part of an SOP medal package given to repatriated (Vietnam era) POWs." ...
Yet in McCain's own words just four days after being captured, he admits he violated the U.S. Code of Conduct by telling his captors "O.K, I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital."
A Vietnam vet detractor says, "He received the nation's third highest award, the Silver Star, for treason. He provided aid and comfort to the enemy."
The rest of his valor awards issued automatically every year while he was a POW read much like the Silver Star. More boilerplate often repeating the exact same words. An example: "By his heroic endeavors, exceptional skill, and devotion to duty, he reflected great credit upon himself and upheld the highest traditions of the Naval Service and the United States Armed Forces."
Yet McCain's conduct while a POW negates these glowing comments. The facts are that he signed a confession and declared himself a "black criminal who performed deeds of an air pirate." This statement and other interviews he gave to the Communist press press were used as propaganda to fan the flames of the antiwar movement.
Accounts by McCain and other writers tell of the horror he endured: relentlessly beatings, torture, broken limbs. All inflicted during savage interrogations. Yet no other POW was a witness to these accounts.
A former POW says "No man witnessed another man during interrogations� We relied on each other to tell the truth when a man was returned to his cell."
John McCain was a collaborator,a reckless and irresponsible Traitor to his country who only got the awards, medals and commendations he received because he was an admirals son.
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