Senate Democrats plan to hold the floor to protest inaction on gun legislation

[Slade3200]

What exactly are they saying that is trying to block gangs from red flag lists. I haven’t heard this plan yet

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members
Democrats want to pass Red Flag Laws, so long as they do not target gang databases.
by JACK HADFIELD
September 15, 2019
in Gun Rights, The Hill

House Democrats on Wednesday refused to include gang members in a list of who should have their guns removed via red flag laws.

Democrats were advancing a measure in the House Judiciary Committee that would encourage states to pass extreme protection orders, also known as red flag laws, when an amendment was proposed that anyone who was put on a police gang database should automatically be targeted under the orders.

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members

Thank you for answering the question and providing a link. Sounds like the tit for tat continues as the dems are using the same argument that the gop used against red flagging people on the No Fly List, saying the list is not accurate and includes many innocent names.

The amendment sounds fair to me and the dem opposition doesn’t make a lot of sense... I’d think they would jump at the opportunity to red flag as many people as possible.

Perhaps they are worried about the appearance of targeting minorities as the majority of people on the gang lists are brown and black people.

The real question is why are they worried about mistaken identity only with gang members and not law abiding American citizens who are not gang members?

I think I addressed that... seems like they don’t want to appear to target minority groups. Still doesn’t make sense though. I think they have a very weak argument

 

[DamnDude]

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just can't deal with the stupidity. If people were willing to overcome their ignorance, that would be one thing, but to be stuck on stupid is completely another matter.
I have come to the conclusion the combinatuon of ignorance and wordsmithing is so very dangerous and cannot be reasoned with. We, as American citizens have the right to defend ourselves in the manner we see fit, and it is slowly being taken away from us. If some from the left have their way, it'll be stripped away all at once.
Instead of dealing with the real issues, mental health and criminality. It's like blaming the victim for the crime being commited against them.

i just find it funny we keep hearing "from the left" (generically speaking) we cant go by looks and so forth. yet, that is the ONLY thing they can do for the AR. it LOOKS mean.

great but how it is functionally different???

WAH YOU CAN'T OWN NUKES CAN YOU?????

where the holy hell did that shit come from? for slade here, i'll wait for his reply and go from there.

Well, the over the top description is a bit much. Weapon of war? As they say on ESPN...C'mon Man

That’s the term Beto is using when stating his confiscation case. If that’s the standard he wants to use for confiscation then the convo turns to defining what a weapon of war is. If AR-15s don’t fit the definition of “weapons of war” then they shouldn’t be included in a confiscation plan.

On a one to one basis, I wouldn't give a flying shit as to what Beto wants. The problem is, he has the ear of far to many ignorant people that have not and will not take the time to educate themselves as to what is what.
Technically speaking, anything you can kill another person with is a weapon of war, and that's where this slippery slope starts. I, myself, am very comfortable with an AR. I prefer it because it is similar to the weapon I was assigned in the military. While similar, there are some very distictive differences, which may not mean much to those not educated in small arms and assorted weaponry, but as has been stated by others, you don't take an AR 15 into a combat zone and expect to live.
The problem is we have too many idiots clamoring about saying what is what and who flung the poo and the sheep that follow them believe them... unequivocally, and for no other reason than "that's my guy."
Beto is a 5 star ass, yet he has, for reasons that escape me, a following.

 

[Ringtone]

I had to look up the definition of this one. Apparently, they're going to throw a temper tantrum and cause a disruption. Might be fun to watch on CSPAN

ˌhold the ˈfloor
speak at a public meeting, etc. for a long time, often stopping others from speaking:

hold the floor

"Senate Democrats are planning to hold the floor on Tuesday evening for an hours-long talk-a-thon on the issue of gun violence.

The floor marathon comes as the White House is struggling to find a place to land in the weeks-long debate over potential gun-law reforms.

“Many of my colleagues have seen their communities torn apart by gun violence; some by horrific mass shootings, others by a relentless, daily stream. Many of them have worked for years to bring commonsense gun safety measures before the Senate,” Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday, in announcing the plan from the Senate floor..."

Senate Democrats to hold the floor to protest inaction on gun violence

It's a sit-in of hundreds, no wait, dozens, no wait, two dozen! That fraud John Lewis spouts like a TV evangelist and the snowflakes melt into the carpet.

 

[DamnDude]

What exactly are they saying that is trying to block gangs from red flag lists. I haven’t heard this plan yet

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members
Democrats want to pass Red Flag Laws, so long as they do not target gang databases.
by JACK HADFIELD
September 15, 2019
in Gun Rights, The Hill

House Democrats on Wednesday refused to include gang members in a list of who should have their guns removed via red flag laws.

Democrats were advancing a measure in the House Judiciary Committee that would encourage states to pass extreme protection orders, also known as red flag laws, when an amendment was proposed that anyone who was put on a police gang database should automatically be targeted under the orders.

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members

Thank you for answering the question and providing a link. Sounds like the tit for tat continues as the dems are using the same argument that the gop used against red flagging people on the No Fly List, saying the list is not accurate and includes many innocent names.

The amendment sounds fair to me and the dem opposition doesn’t make a lot of sense... I’d think they would jump at the opportunity to red flag as many people as possible.

Perhaps they are worried about the appearance of targeting minorities as the majority of people on the gang lists are brown and black people.

The real question is why are they worried about mistaken identity only with gang members and not law abiding American citizens who are not gang members?

I think I addressed that... seems like they don’t want to appear to target minority groups. Still doesn’t make sense though. I think they have a very weak argument

You want to get away from the partisan politics?
Stop with the political correctness bullshit.

 

[Flash]

The last thing this country needs is to pass any law that is proposed by the idiot Democrats. They always get everything wrong no matter what the issue.

Especially one that destroys our Constitutional rights.

I'll consider additional laws after a few years of Democrats enforcing the ones we have already. Prisons are so full that people illegally in possession of a gun get a month or so of house arrest, and they probably have a few guns in that house as well.

Due to the Bill of Rights the possession of a firearm should never be a crime. Only if a crime is committed with the firearm.

 

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Morons!

 

[Slade3200]

Sounds like you’re missing the point all together. If you think gun control advocates assume gang bangers will turn in their guns then you are a world away from understanding their position. Try listening more and talking less

then why do they keep saying they want them out of the hands of the criminals if "gang bangers" are not the intended "criminal"?

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just said I don’t support confiscation. I’m explaining the position of those that do, as there are some valid concerned. There are things like high velocity rounds that shred people’s insides. Large capacity mags, and we’ve seen these guns used to shoot dozens of people in a minutes time. It’s not surprising that people are concerned about weapons with that kind of killing capacity.

Outside a revolver, all weapons have that capacity. The problem is most leftists don't know WTF they are talking about when discussing guns. All they do is repeat what the Democrat party or MSM told them.

If they were ever able to accomplish this ban on ARs, and the next mass shooting takes place with a semi-automatic handgun, that's the next thing they will demand be banned.

It’s all in the definition. I think most people agree that the restrictions on full autos makes sense and is fair. So there is a line that makes sense. I personally think that high capacity, high velocity, high damage equipment are the areas that can be regulated. Spraying bullets and blowing shit up is an offensive tactic not defensive. There can be a fair conversation about this

 

[Slade3200]

The last thing this country needs is to pass any law that is proposed by the idiot Democrats. They always get everything wrong no matter what the issue.

Especially one that destroys our Constitutional rights.

You are right. It should be bipartisan which is why we need to stop making the opposing party the enemy.

 

[Flash]

The last thing this country needs is to pass any law that is proposed by the idiot Democrats. They always get everything wrong no matter what the issue.

Especially one that destroys our Constitutional rights.

You are right. It should be bipartisan which is why we need to stop making the opposing party the enemy.

The Democrats are the enemy of this country. Pretty much the scum of America. RINOs are just as bad when they go along with the Democrats.

 

[iceberg]

then why do they keep saying they want them out of the hands of the criminals if "gang bangers" are not the intended "criminal"?

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just can't deal with the stupidity. If people were willing to overcome their ignorance, that would be one thing, but to be stuck on stupid is completely another matter.
I have come to the conclusion the combinatuon of ignorance and wordsmithing is so very dangerous and cannot be reasoned with. We, as American citizens have the right to defend ourselves in the manner we see fit, and it is slowly being taken away from us. If some from the left have their way, it'll be stripped away all at once.
Instead of dealing with the real issues, mental health and criminality. It's like blaming the victim for the crime being commited against them.

i just find it funny we keep hearing "from the left" (generically speaking) we cant go by looks and so forth. yet, that is the ONLY thing they can do for the AR. it LOOKS mean.

great but how it is functionally different???

WAH YOU CAN'T OWN NUKES CAN YOU?????

where the holy hell did that shit come from? for slade here, i'll wait for his reply and go from there.

Well, the over the top description is a bit much. Weapon of war? As they say on ESPN...C'mon Man

Shit. CNN had one pulsing like a dildo with a grenade launcher on it.

 

[JGalt]

I had to look up the definition of this one. Apparently, they're going to throw a temper tantrum and cause a disruption. Might be fun to watch on CSPAN

ˌhold the ˈfloor
speak at a public meeting, etc. for a long time, often stopping others from speaking:

hold the floor

"Senate Democrats are planning to hold the floor on Tuesday evening for an hours-long talk-a-thon on the issue of gun violence.

The floor marathon comes as the White House is struggling to find a place to land in the weeks-long debate over potential gun-law reforms.

“Many of my colleagues have seen their communities torn apart by gun violence; some by horrific mass shootings, others by a relentless, daily stream. Many of them have worked for years to bring commonsense gun safety measures before the Senate,” Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Tuesday, in announcing the plan from the Senate floor..."

Senate Democrats to hold the floor to protest inaction on gun violence

It's a sit-in of hundreds, no wait, dozens, no wait, two dozen! That fraud John Lewis spouts like a TV evangelist and the snowflakes melt into the carpet.

Bad Kabuki theater. I couldn't get past 20 second of that crap.

 

[iceberg]

They just know if they pass a law, those gangbangers will hand in their guns all on their own. Like any good democrat would.
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Sounds like you’re missing the point all together. If you think gun control advocates assume gang bangers will turn in their guns then you are a world away from understanding their position. Try listening more and talking less

then why do they keep saying they want them out of the hands of the criminals if "gang bangers" are not the intended "criminal"?

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just said I don’t support confiscation. I’m explaining the position of those that do, as there are some valid concerned. There are things like high velocity rounds that shred people’s insides. Large capacity mags, and we’ve seen these guns used to shoot dozens of people in a minutes time. It’s not surprising that people are concerned about weapons with that kind of killing capacity.

A 6 shooter can do all that too. Except for high cap mags.

You described everything BUT the gun as the issue.

 

[DamnDude]

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just can't deal with the stupidity. If people were willing to overcome their ignorance, that would be one thing, but to be stuck on stupid is completely another matter.
I have come to the conclusion the combinatuon of ignorance and wordsmithing is so very dangerous and cannot be reasoned with. We, as American citizens have the right to defend ourselves in the manner we see fit, and it is slowly being taken away from us. If some from the left have their way, it'll be stripped away all at once.
Instead of dealing with the real issues, mental health and criminality. It's like blaming the victim for the crime being commited against them.

i just find it funny we keep hearing "from the left" (generically speaking) we cant go by looks and so forth. yet, that is the ONLY thing they can do for the AR. it LOOKS mean.

great but how it is functionally different???

WAH YOU CAN'T OWN NUKES CAN YOU?????

where the holy hell did that shit come from? for slade here, i'll wait for his reply and go from there.

Well, the over the top description is a bit much. Weapon of war? As they say on ESPN...C'mon Man

Shit. CNN had one pulsing like a dildo with a grenade launcher on it.

Oh?
Was it Full semi automatic?

 

[Slade3200]

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just can't deal with the stupidity. If people were willing to overcome their ignorance, that would be one thing, but to be stuck on stupid is completely another matter.
I have come to the conclusion the combinatuon of ignorance and wordsmithing is so very dangerous and cannot be reasoned with. We, as American citizens have the right to defend ourselves in the manner we see fit, and it is slowly being taken away from us. If some from the left have their way, it'll be stripped away all at once.
Instead of dealing with the real issues, mental health and criminality. It's like blaming the victim for the crime being commited against them.

i just find it funny we keep hearing "from the left" (generically speaking) we cant go by looks and so forth. yet, that is the ONLY thing they can do for the AR. it LOOKS mean.

great but how it is functionally different???

WAH YOU CAN'T OWN NUKES CAN YOU?????

where the holy hell did that shit come from? for slade here, i'll wait for his reply and go from there.

Well, the over the top description is a bit much. Weapon of war? As they say on ESPN...C'mon Man

That’s the term Beto is using when stating his confiscation case. If that’s the standard he wants to use for confiscation then the convo turns to defining what a weapon of war is. If AR-15s don’t fit the definition of “weapons of war” then they shouldn’t be included in a confiscation plan.

On a one to one basis, I wouldn't give a flying shit as to what Beto wants. The problem is, he has the ear of far to many ignorant people that have not and will not take the time to educate themselves as to what is what.
Technically speaking, anything you can kill another person with is a weapon of war, and that's where this slippery slope starts. I, myself, am very comfortable with an AR. I prefer it because it is similar to the weapon I was assigned in the military. While similar, there are some very distictive differences, which may not mean much to those not educated in small arms and assorted weaponry, but as has been stated by others, you don't take an AR 15 into a combat zone and expect to live.
The problem is we have too many idiots clamoring about saying what is what and who flung the poo and the sheep that follow them believe them... unequivocally, and for no other reason than "that's my guy."
Beto is a 5 star ass, yet he has, for reasons that escape me, a following.

You have to consider that not everybody is a military trained vet like yourself. Some people get very scared when a gun is present. They see gun violence and don’t think, I need to get a gun to defend myself, they think I want to get guns off the streets and see less of them in my community. These are the people who support Betos cause and there are many of them.

I will say that Beto has given you a gift. His plan to confiscate guns just blew away any middle ground between the fringes and pushed the debate back into their corners. So doesn’t look like anything’s gonna get done which I’m sure you are very happy with.

 

[Slade3200]

What exactly are they saying that is trying to block gangs from red flag lists. I haven’t heard this plan yet

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members
Democrats want to pass Red Flag Laws, so long as they do not target gang databases.
by JACK HADFIELD
September 15, 2019
in Gun Rights, The Hill

House Democrats on Wednesday refused to include gang members in a list of who should have their guns removed via red flag laws.

Democrats were advancing a measure in the House Judiciary Committee that would encourage states to pass extreme protection orders, also known as red flag laws, when an amendment was proposed that anyone who was put on a police gang database should automatically be targeted under the orders.

Democrats Want Red Flag Laws for Everyone Except Gang Members

Thank you for answering the question and providing a link. Sounds like the tit for tat continues as the dems are using the same argument that the gop used against red flagging people on the No Fly List, saying the list is not accurate and includes many innocent names.

The amendment sounds fair to me and the dem opposition doesn’t make a lot of sense... I’d think they would jump at the opportunity to red flag as many people as possible.

Perhaps they are worried about the appearance of targeting minorities as the majority of people on the gang lists are brown and black people.

The real question is why are they worried about mistaken identity only with gang members and not law abiding American citizens who are not gang members?

I think I addressed that... seems like they don’t want to appear to target minority groups. Still doesn’t make sense though. I think they have a very weak argument

You want to get away from the partisan politics?
Stop with the political correctness bullshit.

PC went out the door with Trump. Do you see things getting better?

 

[Slade3200]

The last thing this country needs is to pass any law that is proposed by the idiot Democrats. They always get everything wrong no matter what the issue.

Especially one that destroys our Constitutional rights.

You are right. It should be bipartisan which is why we need to stop making the opposing party the enemy.

The Democrats are the enemy of this country. Pretty much the scum of America. RINOs are just as bad when they go along with the Democrats.

Dems are your fellow Americans. You can be the grouchy douchebag bitching about them all the time or you can learn how to work with them like most mature adults learn how to do in a civilized society

 

[Slade3200]

Sounds like you’re missing the point all together. If you think gun control advocates assume gang bangers will turn in their guns then you are a world away from understanding their position. Try listening more and talking less

then why do they keep saying they want them out of the hands of the criminals if "gang bangers" are not the intended "criminal"?

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just said I don’t support confiscation. I’m explaining the position of those that do, as there are some valid concerned. There are things like high velocity rounds that shred people’s insides. Large capacity mags, and we’ve seen these guns used to shoot dozens of people in a minutes time. It’s not surprising that people are concerned about weapons with that kind of killing capacity.

A 6 shooter can do all that too. Except for high cap mags.

You described everything BUT the gun as the issue.

I guarantee the kid who shot dozens of people in a minute in a half a few weeks ago would not have done near as much damage if he was armed with a six shooter.

 

[iceberg]

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just can't deal with the stupidity. If people were willing to overcome their ignorance, that would be one thing, but to be stuck on stupid is completely another matter.
I have come to the conclusion the combinatuon of ignorance and wordsmithing is so very dangerous and cannot be reasoned with. We, as American citizens have the right to defend ourselves in the manner we see fit, and it is slowly being taken away from us. If some from the left have their way, it'll be stripped away all at once.
Instead of dealing with the real issues, mental health and criminality. It's like blaming the victim for the crime being commited against them.

i just find it funny we keep hearing "from the left" (generically speaking) we cant go by looks and so forth. yet, that is the ONLY thing they can do for the AR. it LOOKS mean.

great but how it is functionally different???

WAH YOU CAN'T OWN NUKES CAN YOU?????

where the holy hell did that shit come from? for slade here, i'll wait for his reply and go from there.

Well, the over the top description is a bit much. Weapon of war? As they say on ESPN...C'mon Man

Shit. CNN had one pulsing like a dildo with a grenade launcher on it.

Oh?
Was it Full semi automatic?

How fake news CNN thinks a bump stock works

 

[iceberg]

then why do they keep saying they want them out of the hands of the criminals if "gang bangers" are not the intended "criminal"?

I don’t support confiscation but my understanding of their position is they see over the top dangerous weapons made for war being used in these mass shootings and they want to take them out of circulation. The criminal element is a separate problem that needs to be dealt with by law enforcement.

name a modern military out there using the AR15.

then name what makes the AR15 different than say a semi-automatic browning longtrac.

I just said I don’t support confiscation. I’m explaining the position of those that do, as there are some valid concerned. There are things like high velocity rounds that shred people’s insides. Large capacity mags, and we’ve seen these guns used to shoot dozens of people in a minutes time. It’s not surprising that people are concerned about weapons with that kind of killing capacity.

A 6 shooter can do all that too. Except for high cap mags.

You described everything BUT the gun as the issue.

I guarantee the kid who shot dozens of people in a minute in a half a few weeks ago would not have done near as much damage if he was armed with a six shooter.

You can get off 12 shots in mere seconds.

 

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Morons!

The only thing that the fascist left will ever understand about the inalienable rights of the people is the business end of a loaded gun pointed at their stupid heads. The political left is driving this nation toward a civil war.