Seething liberals vow revolution in Democratic Party

[Rexx Taylor]

So Far, the state of Oregon has been on Ebay since November 9th, still no bids. its still for sale at .03 cents

 

[occupied]

They are not doing shit for white working class males, never have, never will, they are just saying they will at long last give a damn about the working class. Republican's new found love for economic justice is a giant lie, they have long been calling progressives communists for talking just like Trump did with his populist rhetoric of protecting/creating jobs thirty years after such policies might have worked.

As to my personal details you can forget it, I am a highly educated and gainfully employed American person, that's all you get. I lost nearly everything in 2008 and have nearly all of it back now, no thanks to anything republicans ever did.

Did you not hear Trump talk about infrastructure jobs?

I did, congress will never deliver such a bill to him and you will not even feel betrayed.

Then some Republicans will be voted out! That's the plan!

They are going to have a hard time suddenly having no one to blame but themselves. The tea party congressmen especially will be at a loss as to how to actually govern after sitting on their asses for 6 years. I am not going to make a bunch of guesses about the future but on this you can be sure, they had best do something substantial and effective quickly other than just attacking Obamacare and trying to advance the evangelical social agenda.

Sorry. Obamacare is one of the top priorities. Even you may like the change.

Not likely, tort reform and selling insurance across state lines is a giveaway to the insurance industry that dwarfs anything Obamacare gave them. Don't do shit for anyone who cannot afford insurance.

 

[Jackson]

Did you not hear Trump talk about infrastructure jobs?

I did, congress will never deliver such a bill to him and you will not even feel betrayed.

Then some Republicans will be voted out! That's the plan!

They are going to have a hard time suddenly having no one to blame but themselves. The tea party congressmen especially will be at a loss as to how to actually govern after sitting on their asses for 6 years. I am not going to make a bunch of guesses about the future but on this you can be sure, they had best do something substantial and effective quickly other than just attacking Obamacare and trying to advance the evangelical social agenda.

Sorry. Obamacare is one of the top priorities. Even you may like the change.

Not likely, tort reform and selling insurance across state lines is a giveaway to the insurance industry that dwarfs anything Obamacare gave them. Don't do shit for anyone who cannot afford insurance.

Didn't you hear? More and more people cannot afford Obamacare with the increasing premiums. Something has to be done.

 

[007]

Democrats suffered the worst defeats in modern history two years ago and last Tuesday. Obama is gone, Harry Reid is gone and the Clinton's are nothing but a sleazy footnote in the history books. Which way will the democrat party go? Democrats still have the dishonest sleazy mainstream media to prop them up but it seems that Americans are smarter than the propaganda. Will democrats double down with socialist Bernie Sanders or will they regain some political sanity?

The majority of Democraps are liberals and liberalism is a mental disorder, so the answer is obvious.

I agree... most leftards believe they need to go even further left, clear out into lala land, full blown logic dismissal. The democrap party has some very hard years in front of it.

 

[ding]

The pendulum always swings.

Agreed, the world is like a wheel, sometimes you are on top - sometimes you are on the bottom. As a strong Trump supporter, I am relieved he won - but I will not gloat over anything.

But it is amazing that the democrats have not had a majority of white male voters since Harry Truman in 1948 - what does that tell you about the message the democrats are offering to the american people?

I tells me more about the message conservatives are offering: "We will keep you on top of the social/economic order regardless of your lack of education, the effects of economic downturns or the demographics of the nation". It's a pipe dream of course. Been hearing this dog whistle for a long time, this year they didn't even try to disguise it.

It's like you have your own little movie playing in your head. Please tell me how these evil conservatives are keeping white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education?

What is your educational background? What is your ethnicity?

They are not doing shit for white working class males, never have, never will, they are just saying they will at long last give a damn about the working class. Republican's new found love for economic justice is a giant lie, they have long been calling progressives communists for talking just like Trump did with his populist rhetoric of protecting/creating jobs thirty years after such policies might have worked.

As to my personal details you can forget it, I am a highly educated and gainfully employed American person, that's all you get. I lost nearly everything in 2008 and have nearly all of it back now, no thanks to anything republicans ever did.

Your answer didn't make any sense at all. How have the evil conservatives kept white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education? How is that even possible? What does that look like?

I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering and have been a practicing engineer for over thirty years. How highly educated are you and what do you do for a living?

 

[idb]

Only in the US would the Democratic Party be called liberal.

 

[occupied]

The pendulum always swings.

Agreed, the world is like a wheel, sometimes you are on top - sometimes you are on the bottom. As a strong Trump supporter, I am relieved he won - but I will not gloat over anything.

But it is amazing that the democrats have not had a majority of white male voters since Harry Truman in 1948 - what does that tell you about the message the democrats are offering to the american people?

I tells me more about the message conservatives are offering: "We will keep you on top of the social/economic order regardless of your lack of education, the effects of economic downturns or the demographics of the nation". It's a pipe dream of course. Been hearing this dog whistle for a long time, this year they didn't even try to disguise it.

It's like you have your own little movie playing in your head. Please tell me how these evil conservatives are keeping white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education?

What is your educational background? What is your ethnicity?

They are not doing shit for white working class males, never have, never will, they are just saying they will at long last give a damn about the working class. Republican's new found love for economic justice is a giant lie, they have long been calling progressives communists for talking just like Trump did with his populist rhetoric of protecting/creating jobs thirty years after such policies might have worked.

As to my personal details you can forget it, I am a highly educated and gainfully employed American person, that's all you get. I lost nearly everything in 2008 and have nearly all of it back now, no thanks to anything republicans ever did.

Your answer didn't make any sense at all. How have the evil conservatives kept white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education? How is that even possible? What does that look like?

I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering and have been a practicing engineer for over thirty years. How highly educated are you and what do you do for a living?

My answer made perfect sense, it just didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. Trump told you what you want to hear, that he alone could restore America to greatness. I have to assume he meant some TV version of the 1950s that never really existed. I lived through almost half of the 20th century and don't really feel any nostalgia for any of it so his message had no resonance with me.

Still not going to get any personal information from me whatsoever, I value my anonymity, especially on a message board where so many psychos hate my guts simply for my politics, I hope you understand. It's not like it matters in any way to the discussion.

 

[rhodescholar]

I have been hearing the dog whistle of how democrats are going to make the lives of minorities better for decades. After the last 8 years, we see that progressive policies don't work and are actively harmful to middle class stability.

I have a very short list of expectations from a Trump administration. Rolling back three of the most harmful programs of progressives would be gravy, but I'll settle for SCOTUS nominees in the vein of Scalia and a lifting of the brutal and oppressive regulations on business.

Breakfast, lunch, and dinner - served.

I've been asking a lot of blacks I know who were disturbed about Trump being elected: "what have the democrats done to make your lives and the black community's situation better over the past 50 years?" And they just look at me and say, "well......"

Detroit, Chicago, NYC in the early-to-mid 1970s, etc., progressive, liberal policies DO NOT WORK. They don't work in other countries, and don't in the US.

I find it funny that the liberals (including some in this thread) are complaining about "unfunded tax breaks for the wealthy" but are silent regarding obama's unfunded mass welfare giveaways to illegals and other pet groups, doubling the debt to $18 BILLION - a number it took the US 240 years to reach just $9 BBN.

 

[Iceweasel]

Only in the US would the Democratic Party be called liberal.

I don't know about the rest of the world but no, they are not liberal, they are leftists. Protesting the American election results shows who and what they really are. This isn't your daddie's Democrat party. There are no conservatives on board these days.

 

[rahtruelies]

The Republican civil war was supposed to start this week.

Instead, a ferocious struggle has erupted on the left over the smoldering remains of the Democratic Party.

Liberals are seething over the election and talking about launching a Tea Party-style revolt. They say it’s the only way to keep Washington Democrats connected to the grassroots and to avoid a repeat of the 2016 electoral disaster, which blindsided party elites.



Progressives believe the Democratic establishment is responsible for inflicting Donald Trump upon the nation, blaming a staid corporate wing of the party for nominating Hillary Clinton and ignoring the Working Class voters that propelled Trump to victory.

Liberals interviewed by The Hill want to see establishment Democrats targeted in primaries, and the “Clinton-corporate wing” of the party rooted out for good.

The fight will begin over picking a new leader for the Democratic National Committee.

Progressives are itching to see the national apparatus reduced to rubble and rebuilt from scratch, with one of their own installed at the top.

And there is talk among some progressives, like Bill Clinton’s former Labor Secretary Robert Reich, about splitting from the Democratic Party entirely if they don’t get the changes they seek.

“The Democratic Party can no longer be the same, it has been repudiated,” Reich said on a conference call with members from the progressive grassroots group Democracy for America.

“This has been a huge refutation of establishment politics and the political organization has got to be changed...if the Democratic Party can’t do it, we’ll do it through a third party.”

Reich’s view is far from universal in his party.

A number of Democrats are fuming over pie-in-the-sky liberals who they say prized idealism over pragmatism.

In an election determined by enthusiasm, some blame Bernie Sanderssupporters for either not showing up or for suppressing turnout by refusing to rally behind Clinton at an earlier date.

“The Sanders people should be mad at themselves,” said one well-connected Democratic strategist. “If they had come out to vote, Donald Trump wouldn’t be president. If they were trying to prove a point, all they’ve done is further damage everything they claim to be fighting for. It’s somewhat typical of that crowd.”

Seething liberals vow revolution in Democratic Party | TheHill

The Democrats will see finally that the establishment is NOT the answer.

There was always going to be a reckoning no matter how the election turned out, A truly progressive and populist democratic party will be unbeatable after Trump and the republicans betray all the false populism that they sold this time around. You know they are not going to do a damned thing improve the lot of the American working class, they never have and never will.

The dems are utterly incapable of letting go of their jihad against ordinary White folks.

And there is the lever that will let the republicans continue their trickle down bullshit and betraying those "ordinary white folks" as they always have.

Sooooooo, at the very very unlikely worst Trump will be as bad GWB/Barry/Killiary

 

[ding]

Agreed, the world is like a wheel, sometimes you are on top - sometimes you are on the bottom. As a strong Trump supporter, I am relieved he won - but I will not gloat over anything.

But it is amazing that the democrats have not had a majority of white male voters since Harry Truman in 1948 - what does that tell you about the message the democrats are offering to the american people?

I tells me more about the message conservatives are offering: "We will keep you on top of the social/economic order regardless of your lack of education, the effects of economic downturns or the demographics of the nation". It's a pipe dream of course. Been hearing this dog whistle for a long time, this year they didn't even try to disguise it.

It's like you have your own little movie playing in your head. Please tell me how these evil conservatives are keeping white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education?

What is your educational background? What is your ethnicity?

They are not doing shit for white working class males, never have, never will, they are just saying they will at long last give a damn about the working class. Republican's new found love for economic justice is a giant lie, they have long been calling progressives communists for talking just like Trump did with his populist rhetoric of protecting/creating jobs thirty years after such policies might have worked.

As to my personal details you can forget it, I am a highly educated and gainfully employed American person, that's all you get. I lost nearly everything in 2008 and have nearly all of it back now, no thanks to anything republicans ever did.

Your answer didn't make any sense at all. How have the evil conservatives kept white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education? How is that even possible? What does that look like?

I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering and have been a practicing engineer for over thirty years. How highly educated are you and what do you do for a living?

My answer made perfect sense, it just didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. Trump told you what you want to hear, that he alone could restore America to greatness. I have to assume he meant some TV version of the 1950s that never really existed. I lived through almost half of the 20th century and don't really feel any nostalgia for any of it so his message had no resonance with me.

Still not going to get any personal information from me whatsoever, I value my anonymity, especially on a message board where so many psychos hate my guts simply for my politics, I hope you understand. It's not like it matters in any way to the discussion.

No. Your answer was non-responsive. You claimed that conservatives were keeping white male voters on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education. How is that even possible? It's not. There is no way for conservatives to keep white male voters on top of the social/economic, which is why you could not tell me how they were doing it. I'm not asking for personal information, I am asking for information that is relevant to what you claimed, clearly you are one of those uneducated Americans you complained about because you can't even tell me what level of education you have and you could not tell me how conservatives are keeping white male voters on top of the social/economic order.

 

[occupied]

I tells me more about the message conservatives are offering: "We will keep you on top of the social/economic order regardless of your lack of education, the effects of economic downturns or the demographics of the nation". It's a pipe dream of course. Been hearing this dog whistle for a long time, this year they didn't even try to disguise it.

It's like you have your own little movie playing in your head. Please tell me how these evil conservatives are keeping white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education?

What is your educational background? What is your ethnicity?

They are not doing shit for white working class males, never have, never will, they are just saying they will at long last give a damn about the working class. Republican's new found love for economic justice is a giant lie, they have long been calling progressives communists for talking just like Trump did with his populist rhetoric of protecting/creating jobs thirty years after such policies might have worked.

As to my personal details you can forget it, I am a highly educated and gainfully employed American person, that's all you get. I lost nearly everything in 2008 and have nearly all of it back now, no thanks to anything republicans ever did.

Your answer didn't make any sense at all. How have the evil conservatives kept white males on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education? How is that even possible? What does that look like?

I have a BS in Petroleum Engineering and have been a practicing engineer for over thirty years. How highly educated are you and what do you do for a living?

My answer made perfect sense, it just didn't tell you what you wanted to hear. Trump told you what you want to hear, that he alone could restore America to greatness. I have to assume he meant some TV version of the 1950s that never really existed. I lived through almost half of the 20th century and don't really feel any nostalgia for any of it so his message had no resonance with me.

Still not going to get any personal information from me whatsoever, I value my anonymity, especially on a message board where so many psychos hate my guts simply for my politics, I hope you understand. It's not like it matters in any way to the discussion.

No. Your answer was non-responsive. You claimed that conservatives were keeping white male voters on top of the social/economic order regardless of their lack of education. How is that even possible? It's not. There is no way for conservatives to keep white male voters on top of the social/economic, which is why you could not tell me how they were doing it. I'm not asking for personal information, I am asking for information that is relevant to what you claimed, clearly you are one of those uneducated Americans you complained about because you can't even tell me what level of education you have and you could not tell me how conservatives are keeping white male voters on top of the social/economic order.

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

 

[ding]

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

My reading is fine. You are having a hard time accepting that Americans - especially in the midwest - have rejected the progressive policies of the last 8 years. So you are left with rationalizing that American citizens - especially those in traditionally Democratic states - were fooled.

The only person who is fooling anyone is you. You are fooling yourself.

 

[occupied]

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

My reading is fine. You are having a hard time accepting that Americans - especially in the midwest - have rejected the progressive policies of the last 8 years. So you are left with rationalizing that American citizens - especially those in traditionally Democratic states - were fooled.

The only person who is fooling anyone is you. You are fooling yourself.

It's almost like every conservative totally forgot they were all for "free trade" and outsourcing jobs until the shit hit the fan. Trump ran on economic justice polices that he hijacked from progressives, but we all knew it was bullshit. Get ready for some more trickle down, you have been had.

 

[ding]

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

My reading is fine. You are having a hard time accepting that Americans - especially in the midwest - have rejected the progressive policies of the last 8 years. So you are left with rationalizing that American citizens - especially those in traditionally Democratic states - were fooled.

The only person who is fooling anyone is you. You are fooling yourself.

It's almost like every conservative totally forgot they were all for "free trade" and outsourcing jobs until the shit hit the fan. Trump ran on economic justice polices that he hijacked from progressives, but we all knew it was bullshit. Get ready for some more trickle down, you have been had.

The midwest voted for Trump for a reason.

 

[occupied]

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

My reading is fine. You are having a hard time accepting that Americans - especially in the midwest - have rejected the progressive policies of the last 8 years. So you are left with rationalizing that American citizens - especially those in traditionally Democratic states - were fooled.

The only person who is fooling anyone is you. You are fooling yourself.

It's almost like every conservative totally forgot they were all for "free trade" and outsourcing jobs until the shit hit the fan. Trump ran on economic justice polices that he hijacked from progressives, but we all knew it was bullshit. Get ready for some more trickle down, you have been had.

The midwest voted for Trump for a reason.

The reason was he told you a bunch of false populist bullshit and you believed it. Come inauguration day there will no longer be anyone in Washington that gives a shit if you have a job or not but by God they will be rushing to appease the "job creators". The infrastructure spending Trump promised and anything else that might help a working man will never happen but the rich are about to get a tax cut that makes GWBs big deficit exploding giveaway look like pocket change. .

 

[ding]

OK read this very carefully and think carefully before you respond. I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

My reading is fine. You are having a hard time accepting that Americans - especially in the midwest - have rejected the progressive policies of the last 8 years. So you are left with rationalizing that American citizens - especially those in traditionally Democratic states - were fooled.

The only person who is fooling anyone is you. You are fooling yourself.

It's almost like every conservative totally forgot they were all for "free trade" and outsourcing jobs until the shit hit the fan. Trump ran on economic justice polices that he hijacked from progressives, but we all knew it was bullshit. Get ready for some more trickle down, you have been had.

The midwest voted for Trump for a reason.

The reason was he told you a bunch of false populist bullshit and you believed it. Come inauguration day there will no longer be anyone in Washington that gives a shit if you have a job or not but by God they will be rushing to appease the "job creators". The infrastructure spending Trump promised and anything else that might help a working man will never happen but the rich are about to get a tax cut that makes GWBs big deficit exploding giveaway look like pocket change. .

lol, so they are stupid?

 

[Iceweasel]

I said that Trump has sold the white working class an impossible dream, that he can restore them to some former greatness like the 1950s or earlier where the poorest most ignorant white man had greater social status than the best educated black man. I never said that they have actually been doing it or that it was even possible. His slogan was "make America great again" I knew what he meant by that as well as you do. If you choose to misunderstand me again the problem is with your lack of reading comprehension not anything I have said.

Trump said no such thing. You are a goddamn liar. Like ALL leftists. You knew what your hatefilled pea brain invented, the rest of America knew better.

 

[Claudette]

The Clintons have been a powerhouse in the Dem party for decades. They are now gone and the Dems will have to reorganize big time.

I've seen the names Warren and Saunders floated for leading rolls and I'm sure there are others.

I remember a thread on here about the GOP disappearing after the Obama victories. I didn't believe that and I sure don't believe the Democratic Party will disappear either.

In time they will reorganize and be right back at it.

Trump's victory knocked them on their ass but they will recover as always.

 

[Iceweasel]

Trump's victory knocked them on their ass but they will recover as always.

If history is any guide they will move even further to the left.