Seems awful cold for the "hottest" year on record

[Crick]

Let's say as far back to 3 million years when the planet transitioned from a greenhouse planet to an icehouse planet. You know... when the ice age began.

Wouldn't you first have to list the various proxies?

How about you find a published study that uses proxies but doesn't identify them. Cause right now we seem to be discussing your uninformed fantasies.

 

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How about you find a published study that uses proxies but doesn't identify them. Cause right now we seem to be discussing your uninformed fantasies.

I know what the proxies are and I know what their resolutions are and I know you can't make the comparison you are trying to make.

 

[Crick]

I know what the proxies are and I know what their resolutions are and I know you can't make the comparison you are trying to make.

I know you're not going to find a study that uses proxies but fails to identify them, which has been your claim for several posts now. Are you abandoning that? Cause if you are, I'd really like to see you admit it.

 

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I know you're not going to find a study that uses proxies but fails to identify them, which has been your claim for several posts now. Are you abandoning that? Cause if you are, I'd really like to see you admit it.

ALL oxygen isotope curves for paleoclimates are proxies.

 

[Crick]

ALL oxygen isotope curves for paleoclimates are proxies.

A fucking thermometer is a proxy. What's your point and when are you going to man up, be honest and admit that all proxy studies identify their proxies?

 

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A fucking thermometer is a proxy. What's your point and when are you going to man up, be honest and admit that all proxy studies identify their proxies?

What's the resolution in days of a thermometer reading at a specific time versus the use of oxygen isotope data from across the geologic record?

 

[Crick]

What's the resolution in days of a thermometer reading at a specific time versus the use of oxygen isotope data from across the geologic record?

So, you're not going to man up.

 

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So, you're not going to man up.

Apparently you have no idea what I am speaking about when I say there isn't enough resolution in the data for you to make the comparison you are trying to make.

 

[westwall]

Apparently you have no idea what I am speaking about when I say there isn't enough resolution in the data for you to make the comparison you are trying to make.

crick is a troll. Ignore it and it will die.

 

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crick is a troll. Ignore it and it will die.

He's a drone.

 

[Crick]

crick is a troll. Ignore it and it will die.

He has been ignoring me. That's why he failed to man up. And I note you ignore me and I think it is quite obvious that you doing so has had NO effect on me or my posting whatsoever. I have had Ding on ignore for quite some time but every once in a while, no one else is posting anything as stupid or as absurd or as ridiculous and I am forced to speak up.

 

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He has been ignoring me. That's why he failed to man up. And I note you ignore me and I think it is quite obvious that you doing so has had NO effect on me or my posting whatsoever. I have had Ding on ignore for quite some time but every once in a while, no one else is posting anything as stupid or as absurd or as ridiculous and I am forced to speak up.

You are a moron.

 

[Crick]

You are a moron.

There you go.

 

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There you go.

I think you must have dementia.

 

[Crick]

I think you must have dementia.

There you go.

 

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There you go.

Seriously. I've explained to you the reason the AMOC switches off at least a dozen times and you keep forgetting that.

 

[Crick]

Seriously. I've explained to you the reason the AMOC switches off at least a dozen times and you keep forgetting that.

Your problem is that you keep trying to explain those changes without an external influence.

 

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Your problem is that you keep trying to explain those changes without an external influence.

How is temperature not an external influence? Ocean water salinity and ocean water density are functions of temperature. The majority of heat the planet receives is stored in the oceans. How that heat is circulated determines the climate of the planet. When the Atlantic is circulating heat to the Arctic the planet warms naturally because the sun is always warming the ocean and that heat is being distributed to the Arctic. When the Atlantic is NOT circulating heat to the Arctic the planet cools naturally because extensive northern hemisphere continental glaciation occurs and is amplified by increased albedo from the spread of glaciers.

 

[Crick]

How is temperature not an external influence?

Uhh... because it is a parameter of the planet's state space. The glacial-intrglacial cycle is a planetary phenomenon. That makes "external" mean "not of the Earth".

Ocean water salinity and ocean water density are functions of temperature.

Salinity is NOT a direct function of temperature.

The majority of heat the planet receives is stored in the oceans.

But not all of it and, so what?

How that heat is circulated determines the climate of the planet.

I agree changes in major ocean circulation will have an enormous impact. But you STILL haven't explained what is causing it to change.

When the Atlantic is circulating heat to the Arctic the planet warms naturally because the sun is always warming the ocean and that heat is being distributed to the Arctic.

Do you ever read what you've written" When the Atlantic moves heat to the Arctic the planet warms because the Atlantic moves heat to the Arctic. If you're trying to say that the AMOC causes the planet AS A WHOLE to warm, then you need to do a GREAT deal more explaining.

When the Atlantic is NOT circulating heat to the Arctic the planet cools naturally because extensive northern hemisphere continental glaciation occurs and is amplified by increased albedo from the spread of glaciers.

I find it interesting that you reject positive feedback from CO2 coming out of solution from a warming ocean but accept feedback from glaciation-caused albedo changes. The same comment about global affects applies here as well. Unless you are depending entirely on albedo changes, you have yet to describe a single function related to external influences. And you just stated that the glaciation takes place AFTER the AMOC has collapsed. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE CAUSES THE AMOC TO COLLAPSE?

 

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Uhh... because it is a parameter of the planet's state space. The glacial-intrglacial cycle is a planetary phenomenon. That makes "external" mean "not of the Earth".

Salinity is NOT a direct function of temperature.

But not all of it and, so what?

I agree changes in major ocean circulation will have an enormous impact. But you STILL haven't explained what is causing it to change.

Do you ever read what you've written" When the Atlantic moves heat to the Arctic the planet warms because the Atlantic moves heat to the Arctic. If you're trying to say that the AMOC causes the planet AS A WHOLE to warm, then you need to do a GREAT deal more explaining.

I find it interesting that you reject positive feedback from CO2 coming out of solution from a warming ocean but accept feedback from glaciation-caused albedo changes. The same comment about global affects applies here as well. Unless you are depending entirely on albedo changes, you have yet to describe a single function related to external influences. And you just stated that the glaciation takes place AFTER the AMOC has collapsed. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE CAUSES THE AMOC TO COLLAPSE?

The glacial cycle began 3 million years ago and it is a function of the planet's landmass configuration which resulted in thermally isolated polar regions which lowered the temperature threshold for extensive continental glaciation.

Salinity is a function of temperature because ice melt is a function of temperature.

I have explained the cause of glacial cycles in great detail. You aren't interested in the truth.