Seeing the New Year in with a bang

[Tommy Tainant]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

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40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

Because the Democrats like having bad guys on the street. That way they can blame guns.

 

[Ame®icano]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

Answer this; out of those 40 killed, how many were killed by Asian Americans?

 

[BlackFlag]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

 

[TNHarley]

I wonder how many of those were done with legally obtained weapons

 

[BlackFlag]

I wonder how many of those were done with legally obtained weapons

Legally obtained by the shooter, or at some point in their history?

 

[2aguy]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

Don't know......is gun crime in Britain and Australia going up or down? That is the true indicator of wethor or not their gun control laws are working, not if their criminals murder their victims.

 

[BlackFlag]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

Don't know......is gun crime in Britain and Australia going up or down? That is the true indicator of wethor or not their gun control laws are working, not if their criminals murder their victims.

Well as they both have a record number of guns now and increasing, I would assume gun crime is going up. Am I right?

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

 

[2aguy]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

Don't know......is gun crime in Britain and Australia going up or down? That is the true indicator of wethor or not their gun control laws are working, not if their criminals murder their victims.

Well as they both have a record number of guns now and increasing, I would assume gun crime is going up. Am I right?

Nope...you are wrong. We have an increasing number of gun owners and people who actually carry guns for self defense, and our gun crime rate is down 75% over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate is down 49% over the last 25 years, our violent crime rate is down 72% over the last 25 years....so nothing you believe about gun ownership and crime is true.

Meanwhile, in Britain....they banned guns in the 1990s , and the police just reported they can't stop the ever increasing flow of new, illegal guns into the country.......

So you are simply wrong on all counts...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[BlackFlag]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

Don't know......is gun crime in Britain and Australia going up or down? That is the true indicator of wethor or not their gun control laws are working, not if their criminals murder their victims.

Well as they both have a record number of guns now and increasing, I would assume gun crime is going up. Am I right?

Nope...you are wrong. We have an increasing number of gun owners and people who actually carry guns for self defense, and our gun crime rate is down 75% over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate is down 49% over the last 25 years, our violent crime rate is down 72% over the last 25 years....so nothing you believe about gun ownership and crime is true.

Meanwhile, in Britain....they banned guns in the 1990s , and the police just reported they can't stop the ever increasing flow of new, illegal guns into the country.......

So you are simply wrong on all counts...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Less guns per household than back then too

So in answer, there were no known New Year's gun murders in Britain or Australia this year

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

Mass shooting - 5 shot in a bar row
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Mass shooting - 5 shot, no details yet.
Five people injured in overnight shooting

 

[2aguy]

2aguy how many New Year's gun murders were there in Britain and Australia?

Don't know......is gun crime in Britain and Australia going up or down? That is the true indicator of wethor or not their gun control laws are working, not if their criminals murder their victims.

Well as they both have a record number of guns now and increasing, I would assume gun crime is going up. Am I right?

Nope...you are wrong. We have an increasing number of gun owners and people who actually carry guns for self defense, and our gun crime rate is down 75% over the last 25 years....our gun murder rate is down 49% over the last 25 years, our violent crime rate is down 72% over the last 25 years....so nothing you believe about gun ownership and crime is true.

Meanwhile, in Britain....they banned guns in the 1990s , and the police just reported they can't stop the ever increasing flow of new, illegal guns into the country.......

So you are simply wrong on all counts...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17.25 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2018...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

Less guns per household than back then too

So in answer, there were no known New Year's gun murders in Britain or Australia this year

But gun crime is going up in Britain...which means they have more guns after they banned guns....I don't think you understand how a gun ban is supposed to work.....

and keep in mind, this poll from NBC is after the press started publishing the names and addresses of gun owners...so the smart gun owners stopped talking to the press...and it still shows more guns...

On top of that, the biggest growth areas for gun ownership are women and minorities.......two groups that have been historically very low in gun ownership.

NBC Poll: Does Gun Ownership Increase Or Decrease Safety? Anti-Gun Activists Won't Like The Results.

nearly 6 in 10 Americans believe that getting guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens increases safety.

"In the poll, 58 percent agree with the statement that gun ownership does more to increase safety by allowing law-abiding citizens to protect themselves," NBC News reports. "By contrast, 38 percent say that gun ownership reduces safety by giving too many people access to firearms, increasing the chances for accidental misuse."

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NBC notes that the overall result is a "reversal" of the findings of a 1999 survey that found that 52 percent of respondents believed gun ownership reduced safety. The more positive perspective on gun ownership is partly reflected in gun ownership trends: "47 percent of American adults say they have a firearm in the household, which is up from 44 percent in 1999."

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

Mass shooting - 5 shot in a bar row
Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Mass shooting - 5 shot, no details yet.
Five people injured in overnight shooting

A fight in a bar is not a mass public shooting....it isn't the definition. A mass public shooting is a shooting by a stranger in a public place with the sole purpose of shooting innocent victims...a bar shooting is not that definition.

And if there is no known reason for the shooting.....as your second link shows...you can bet it was criminal related, likely gang related...also not a mass shooting....

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

Mass shooting - 5 shot in a bar row
Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Mass shooting - 5 shot, no details yet.
Five people injured in overnight shooting

I use left wing, anti gun, Mother Jones data base on mass public shootings......the more accurate count...even though they used the Chicago Hospital shooting as a mass public shooting, which it wasn't, due to the fact the guy went to the hospital to murder his ex girlfriend/fiance......but generally they are accurate...

They also have embraced the new Obama numbers from mass public shootings, using 3 as opposed to 4 deaths to include the shooting in their total.

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence.
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While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings may be useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growingcopycat problem.

 

[K9Buck]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

Most of the civilized world doesn't have America's 13% problem. The 13% really skews the statistics. Fortunately, thanks to immigration, London is now about as violent as many major U.S. cities. Well done!

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

Mass shooting - 5 shot in a bar row
Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Mass shooting - 5 shot, no details yet.
Five people injured in overnight shooting

The reason the gun violence archive names every shooting they can as mass public shootings, is because the general public is unaffected by gang violence, since 70-80% of the victims of those shootings are criminals, not civilians...or friends and family of the criminals.....the public only cares about actual mass public shootings, where a stranger attacks a public space...where they might actually be a victim...but that doesn't get the number high enough since there were only 11 of those in 2018 with only 77 victims....compared to cars where you have 38,000 victims.......so they have to lie about the definition of a mass public shooting, to fool uninformed Americans and people like you....

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

Most of the civilized world doesn't have America's 13% problem. The 13% really skews the statistics. Fortunately, thanks to immigration, London is now about as violent as many major U.S. cities. Well done!

Actually, crime in Britain is going up....including murder......while here in the STates, crime, including gun crime, gun murder, are going down....

Look at how high their violent crime rates are increasing....and their police have just admitted they can't stop the ever increasing flow of illegal guns entering Britain....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

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Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

Most of the civilized world doesn't have America's 13% problem. The 13% really skews the statistics. Fortunately, thanks to immigration, London is now about as violent as many major U.S. cities. Well done!

And democrat party controlled cities.......

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Incident | Gun Violence Archive

40 killed and 2 mass shootings to welcome in the New Year in the US.

If guns make you safer why is the US slaughter rate so many times higher than the rest of the civilised world ?

There were no mass shootings in the U.S. so far this year. A mass shooting is a shooting that takes place in a public space without an underlying crime, such as robbery or gang activity.... That the gun violence archive lumps in every shooting they can find, and lie about the classification is typical of anti gun extremists...they can't get the number of gun deaths high enough without lying about them.....

Meanwhile, they ignore the Centers for Disease Control research, you know, the research they keep complaining they want.....that shows that Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives.....but why focus on lives saved when the agenda is banning guns?

Mass shooting - 5 shot in a bar row
Incident | Gun Violence Archive

Mass shooting - 5 shot, no details yet.
Five people injured in overnight shooting

A fight in a bar is not a mass public shooting....it isn't the definition. A mass public shooting is a shooting by a stranger in a public place with the sole purpose of shooting innocent victims...a bar shooting is not that definition.

And if there is no known reason for the shooting.....as your second link shows...you can bet it was criminal related, likely gang related...also not a mass shooting....

Oh dear. Why dont you just call it - "a shooting where several people were shot by an american exercising his god given right to shoot other americans " ?

If guns make you safe why do so many Americans get shot ?