Sebelius: Insurers Will Be Punished For Telling The Truth

[saveliberty]

New White Hose directive: When confronted by health care cost numbers divide by 0 and report that figure.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So you are saying it's ok for health insurance companies to lie to their customers about the reasons for increases in premiums and the administration should say nothing? I think it's about time someone spoke out about the premium increase. I'm looking at a 25% increase in premium and that's on top of a 40% increase last year and the policy copays are higher. They justify the increase by saying healthcare cost is increasing. The 2010 estimate of healthcare cost increase is only 6% and it was 10% last year meanwhile healthcare profits increased 56% in 2009 and are projected to have another good increase in 2010. And don't say go shop for another insurer. Most Americans have no choice. They are stuck with the insurer their company selects. So will insurance companies blame premium increase on the new healthcare law. You bet they will and the administration should speak out.

Are the insurers lying? Sebelius is claiming that no more than 2% of the rate increase is the fault of Obamacare, and threatening the insurers for mentioning it at all.

Well, in the past they have had no problem lying about reasons for their huge premium increases. I have no reason to believe that's going to change. I would think the new healthcare law will be an ideal scapegoat to blame rate increases and decreases in service.

Insurance companies do not make money paying claims. They money by collecting premiums. The more claims they can deny and higher they push their premiums, the higher the profits.

The more claims thy deny, and higher their premiums, the higher their profits.

Wow, what a concept. I have a question for you now.

If insurers are evil incarnate, why did Obama, Reid, and Pelosi work so hard to make sure they signed on to Obamacare, supporting most of its provisions outright, and tweaking the ones they had problems with?

 

[arKangel]

"Insurance" of any sort is a deadly, life ruining scam. That is the real issue few dare to honestly discuss.

Gambling is a sin, usury is a sin, insurance is a sin.

 

[Samson]

She warned that bad actors may be excluded from new health insurance markets that will open in 2014 under the law. They'd lose out on a big pool of customers, as many as 30 million people nationwide.....

Sebelius seems terribly confident about what will happen.....

Being equally clairvoyant, I predict Sebelius will be teaching freshman PoliSci 101 at Devry University night school in 2014.

 

[arKangel]

Any who will state that "insurance" of any sort is not a blatant scam, is fooling themselves, or attempting to fool others.

Sinners are the ones who encourage others to gamble, to lie, to in any way gain without honest trade. Honesty itself depends upon those who are brave enough to deal on what they know to be the truth, be it good, service, skill, or labor as a trade for equal value. Not some make believe circumstance which some dishonest, exploitative leaches, calling themselves "insurance agents" or some such derive income from.

Insurance of any sort is pure evil exploitation. An abolutely dishonest sabotage of honest commerce, and should not be tolerated in any society which claims any sort of commercial integrity.

 

[Ragnar]

Reason (Mag.) is always worth a gander. Below see some of the lies told by Obama and Pelosi (and the rest) used to sell Obamacare in the first place...

Seven Empty Promises About ObamaCare - Reason Magazine

1. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
2. It will put Medicare on better fiscal footing.
3. It will cost around $900 billion.
4. It won’t cut Medicare benefits.
5. It will be paid for “mostly” by shifting around money that we’re already spending.
6. It will give consumers more access and greater choice.
7. It will bring down the price of insurance.

See the link for why all of the above qualify as "empty promises" and outright lies. I already posted about numero uno in this thread but there is more info at the link.

Enjoy...

 

[JakeStarkey]

Are the insurers lying? Sebelius is claiming that no more than 2% of the rate increase is the fault of Obamacare, and threatening the insurers for mentioning it at all.

Well, in the past they have had no problem lying about reasons for their huge premium increases. I have no reason to believe that's going to change. I would think the new healthcare law will be an ideal scapegoat to blame rate increases and decreases in service.

Insurance companies do not make money paying claims. They money by collecting premiums. The more claims they can deny and higher they push their premiums, the higher the profits.

The more claims thy deny, and higher their premiums, the higher their profits.

Wow, what a concept. I have a question for you now.

If insurers are evil incarnate, why did Obama, Reid, and Pelosi work so hard to make sure they signed on to Obamacare, supporting most of its provisions outright, and tweaking the ones they had problems with?

First, being a health insurance company that gets rich by denying coverage to the sick is simply immoral. Insurance is to be a pool that covers the extreme ranges as well as the middle.

Because the health insurance industry has many conservative Democrats in their lobbyists' pockets.

The health insurance industry is going to do quite well with the regulations.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Reason (Mag.) is always worth a gander. Below see some of the lies told by Obama and Pelosi (and the rest) used to sell Obamacare in the first place...

Seven Empty Promises About ObamaCare - Reason Magazine

1. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
2. It will put Medicare on better fiscal footing.
3. It will cost around $900 billion.
4. It won’t cut Medicare benefits.
5. It will be paid for “mostly” by shifting around money that we’re already spending.
6. It will give consumers more access and greater choice.
7. It will bring down the price of insurance.

See the link for why all of the above qualify as "empty promises" and outright lies. I already posted about numero uno in this thread but there is more info at the link.

Enjoy...

Raganar and the talking-points link are talking psycho talk.

 

[Greenbeard]

1. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
2. It will put Medicare on better fiscal footing.
3. It will cost around $900 billion.
4. It won’t cut Medicare benefits.
5. It will be paid for “mostly” by shifting around money that we’re already spending.
6. It will give consumers more access and greater choice.
7. It will bring down the price of insurance.

See the link for why all of the above qualify as "empty promises" and outright lies. I already posted about numero uno in this thread but there is more info at the link.

Enjoy...

Don't believe everything you read, especially when it's poorly researched.

 

[boedicca]

It's pretty telling to see the moonbats whinge about insurance companies that operate on 3% profit margins raising rates in response to health care, while completely ignoring the fact that Obamanomics has increased the size of federal spending from 20% to 25% of GDP in a year and a half.

Businesses trying to stay solvent in the face of massive government mandates for expanded coverage are somehow greedy - but the politicians and bureaucrats who produce nothing are justified is expanding control over our private lives and pocket books.

Liberalism has nothing to do with Liberty these days.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Sebelius: Insurers Will Be Punished For Telling The Truth

Sebelius is essentially threatening insurers to shut up or risk being denied the business to be doled out by the government. This is what happens when Big Government runs amok.

Yeah....sure.....that's what she's saying...... ​

 

[boedicca]

Only an illiterate moron can't see how she is threatening insurance companies, which 'Splains Shaman.

 

[Trajan]

1. If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.
2. It will put Medicare on better fiscal footing.
3. It will cost around $900 billion.
4. It won’t cut Medicare benefits.
5. It will be paid for “mostly” by shifting around money that we’re already spending.
6. It will give consumers more access and greater choice.
7. It will bring down the price of insurance.

See the link for why all of the above qualify as "empty promises" and outright lies. I already posted about numero uno in this thread but there is more info at the link.

Enjoy...

Don't believe everything you read, especially when it's poorly researched.

so uhm take no.3, this is going to cost 900 billion? Thats already been blown out of the window, you know it, I know it.

medicare? I mean seriously.

they are squeezing a balloon and the only way to make this present 'bill' viable is....ta daaaa, cut services.

 

[boedicca]

Indeed. Cutting services is why we have an org chart that looks like this:

Not only are services going to be cut due to adding 30M people to the system, but the cost of this huge federal bureaucracy is going to take a huge chunk of the funding as well.

ObamaCare = a lot more money for much less quality and coverage

 

[rdean]

I just can't believe right wingnuts DEFEND insurance companies.

These people cut polices and let people DIE because saving them would cost money.

Before the Health Care bill, if Dad got cancer, the entire family could be cut because within 6 months, mom had a mammogram or junior had an allergy and those could be called "pre existing condition".

Then you have the CEO of Cigna getting a 73 million dollar paycheck AND REPUBLICANS DEFEND THAT! That is indefensible. How many insurance policies does it take to pay a SINGLE 73 million dollar paycheck??????????????????????

The right wing has gone so far right, they fell off a cliff into insanity.

 

[boedicca]

B'loney. Most people are very happy with the insurance. I have a family member with a serious precobditon, and we've never had a denied claim. A few outlier sob stories flogged by anti-business moonbats are not the norm.

 

[chanel]

I had a conversation with someone (I won't say who) who has a big job in the HC industry (I won't say where) who claims that small non-profit insurers are closing up shop as we speak. He said that our EHRs are currently being outsourced to India as will most of our claims in the near future. He predicts an oligopoly of 6 or 7 major companies left in the exchange within the next five years. I believe this person who has no axe to grind with the government. In fact, outsourcing is his business. (oops - don't tell Kathleen, k?)

 

[johnrocks]

It's more complicated than "blaming or defending insurance companies". I'll be the first to state that our system has been messed up for years BUT it was due to government intervention to begin with dating back to FDR's wage and price controls getting businesses to offer health insurance as a benefit to entice workers to come and stay; coupling insurance with employment is just plain dumb, your a layoff and an illness away from being ruined; to Medicare,HMO ACT ,ERISA,State mandates,etc. pushing costs upward and more government isn't going to solve what government created to begin with....a clusterfuck of problems in the health care/health insurance sectors.

 

[boedicca]

I had a conversation with someone (I won't say who) who has a big job in the HC industry (I won't say where) who claims that small non-profit insurers are closing up shop as we speak. He said that our EHRs are currently being outsourced to India as will most of our claims in the near future. He predicts an oligopoly of 6 or 7 major companies left in the exchange within the next five years. I believe this person who has no axe to grind with the government. In fact, outsourcing is his business. (oops - don't tell Kathleen, k?)

BINGO. Our government no longer looks out for the general welfare, but transfers wealth from the powerless to special interest groups. Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Unions, and Big Government are the special interests which benefit from ObamaCare.

 

[Mr. Shaman]

B'loney. Most people are very happy with the insurance.

Yeah....until they need to USE it.

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