Seattle Defeats The NRA

[The Rabbi]

And then the criminals won't pay taxes on stolen bullets......

Stolen bullets? How many bullets are stolen in Seattle?

When they steal guns they don't leave the bullets.....and they use money obtained illegally to pay for the straw purchase of bullets.....so either way, the criminal is not paying your tax....and is in fact costing you even more......

You are working from the premise that every shooting is done with a stolen gun. This is a false premise and so your argument collapses.

As I just pointed out, every mass shooting we have talked about this year, plus the mass shootings of previous years, were all done with legally obtained firearms.

Can you prove that every shooting is not done with a stolen gun? The mass shootings reprsent a tiny number of shootings overall. They are not statistically significant.

 

[2aguy]

And then the criminals won't pay taxes on stolen bullets......

Stolen bullets? How many bullets are stolen in Seattle?

When they steal guns they don't leave the bullets.....and they use money obtained illegally to pay for the straw purchase of bullets.....so either way, the criminal is not paying your tax....and is in fact costing you even more......

You are working from the premise that every shooting is done with a stolen gun. This is a false premise and so your argument collapses.

As I just pointed out, every mass shooting we have talked about this year, plus the mass shootings of previous years, were all done with legally obtained firearms.

Wrong...the majority of the 8,124 gun murders in this country are committed by criminals with criminal records which means they cannot legally own or carry the gun they are using to commit murder.

Mass shootings accounted for 9 deaths in 2014....criminals killed the rest.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's a consumption tax. Consumption taxes are better than taxes on production.

No...it is a Poll Tax...a tax meant to infringe on the Right of a citizen to prevent them from exercising that right.

And it will reduce revenue as normal people flee from seattle...just like Chicago...

It will do nothing to reduce crime or pay for it.
You would think Seattle with its 15/hr min wage wouldnt be looking to push workers out of the city. But I guess not.

 

[g5000]

This is always what happens when there is intransigence. Because of the intransigence of the racists of the past, and not only their refusal to serve blacks at lunch counters, but the use of state government force to back up their racism, the federal government's powers were expanded beyond original intent. Now you can't turn away someone from a group you hate or else the feds stomp your face into the mud.

And now, because of the intransigence of the NRA, big and small governments are stomping all over law abiding gun owners.

Background checks at gun shows? OH **** NO! WE JUST WON'T BUDGE ON THIS!

 

[2aguy]

And then the criminals won't pay taxes on stolen bullets......

Stolen bullets? How many bullets are stolen in Seattle?

When they steal guns they don't leave the bullets.....and they use money obtained illegally to pay for the straw purchase of bullets.....so either way, the criminal is not paying your tax....and is in fact costing you even more......

You are working from the premise that every shooting is done with a stolen gun. This is a false premise and so your argument collapses.

As I just pointed out, every mass shooting we have talked about this year, plus the mass shootings of previous years, were all done with legally obtained firearms.

Here is the left wing news source...Mother Jones...they hate guns, just like you...they too have tracked mass shootings...and here is what they found...

If you go to the link they list each year and the specific mass shootings with details....injured, killed, weapons used.....do more research......you will post more intelligently....

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Sooooo....


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation



How many deaths on average according to Mother Jones...anti gun, uber left wing Mother Jones.......each year, well less than 100.

2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf


Cars, Accidental deaths 2013......35,369

Poisons...accidental deaths 2013....38,851

Alcohol...accidental deaths 2013...29,001

gravity....accidental falling deaths 2013...30,208
Accidental drowning.....3,391
Accidental exposure to smoke, fire and flames.....2,760

Deaths from mass shootings 2013..... 36

Accidental gun deaths 2013......505


Those are the numbers of deaths from mass shootings in the United States.....and even in the big year, 2012, they didn't break 72 deaths by mass shooters.

How many guns are there in American hands....320 million.

How many people carry guns for self defense...over 13 million.

 

[The Rabbi]

And then the criminals won't pay taxes on stolen bullets......

Stolen bullets? How many bullets are stolen in Seattle?

When they steal guns they don't leave the bullets.....and they use money obtained illegally to pay for the straw purchase of bullets.....so either way, the criminal is not paying your tax....and is in fact costing you even more......

You are working from the premise that every shooting is done with a stolen gun. This is a false premise and so your argument collapses.

As I just pointed out, every mass shooting we have talked about this year, plus the mass shootings of previous years, were all done with legally obtained firearms.

Wrong...the majority of the 8,124 gun murders in this country are committed by criminals with criminal records which means they cannot legally own or carry the gun they are using to commit murder.

Mass shootings accounted for 9 deaths in 2014....criminals killed the rest.

There are some accidental shootings. Of course private insurance will pay the medical costs there. So G5k is once again wrong.

 

[The Rabbi]

This is always what happens when there is intransigence. Because of the intransigence of the racists of the past, and not only their refusal to serve blacks at lunch counters, but the use of state government force to back up their racism, the federal government's powers were expanded beyond original intent. Now you can't turn away someone from a group you hate or else the feds stomp your face into the mud.

And now, because of the intransigence of the NRA, big and small governments are stomping all over law abiding gun owners.

Background checks at gun shows? OH **** NO! WE JUST WON'T BUDGE ON THIS!

One stupid liberal infested municipality institutes something this stupid and that mean "big and small goernments are stomping all over law abiding gun owners"? Are you drunk on piss or something?

 

[g5000]

It's a consumption tax. Consumption taxes are better than taxes on production.

No...it is a Poll Tax...a tax meant to infringe on the Right of a citizen to prevent them from exercising that right.

And it will reduce revenue as normal people flee from seattle...just like Chicago...

It will do nothing to reduce crime or pay for it.
You would think Seattle with its 15/hr min wage wouldnt be looking to push workers out of the city. But I guess not.

It will increase tax revenues, or it will drive the gun shops out of Seattle. I'm sure the liberals see this as nothing but win/win.

Cigarette taxes have driven tobacco stores out of business. Now there is a much smaller percentage of smokers. That's a win for Pigovian taxes.

 

[Arianrhod]

It's amazing how many people believe "If the gun shops close, the whole city's gonna die!"

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

 

[g5000]

Right-to-lifers like to make it harder for abortion clinics to survive.

No difference.

 

[g5000]

It's amazing how many people believe "If the gun shops close, the whole city's gonna die!"

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

If less people own guns, then the chances of spousal murder drops.

Point of fact, the percentage of gun owners is at an all time record low, as is the homicide rate. That's not a coincidence.

 

[2aguy]

This is always what happens when there is intransigence. Because of the intransigence of the racists of the past, and not only their refusal to serve blacks at lunch counters, but the use of state government force to back up their racism, the federal government's powers were expanded beyond original intent. Now you can't turn away someone from a group you hate or else the feds stomp your face into the mud.

And now, because of the intransigence of the NRA, big and small governments are stomping all over law abiding gun owners.

Background checks at gun shows? OH **** NO! WE JUST WON'T BUDGE ON THIS!

This is always what happens when there is intransigence. Because of the intransigence of the racists of the past, and not only their refusal to serve blacks at lunch counters, but the use of state government force to back up their racism, the federal government's powers were expanded beyond original intent. Now you can't turn away someone from a group you hate or else the feds stomp your face into the mud.

And now, because of the intransigence of the NRA, big and small governments are stomping all over law abiding gun owners.

Background checks at gun shows? OH **** NO! WE JUST WON'T BUDGE ON THIS!

Again with the mantra..." Background checks,......background checks...." why do you keep saying that?...you say it as though it has some importance in stopping gun crime.....

Current background checks do not stop criminals or mass shooters.....new universal background checks will be avoided the same way as current background checks are avoided by criminals, or passed by mass shooters...

So simply squawking "Background checks....background checks..." means nothing, and really makes you seem foolish...or really...more foolish.

 

[2aguy]

It's amazing how many people believe "If the gun shops close, the whole city's gonna die!"

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

If less people own guns, then the chances of spousal murder drops.

Point of fact, the percentage of gun owners is at an all time record low, as is the homicide rate. That's not a coincidence.

Nope...gun ownership is currently on the rise as more women and minorities.....historically under represented in gun ownership....are beginning to buy guns for self defense. Gun murder is going down as more Americans own guns.

And spousal murder has nothing to do with guns.....drugs, alcohol, violent histories, criminal arrest record, that is what causes spousal murder, the tool is irrelavent....

A home without drug addiction, alcohol addiction, violent people, or people with criminal arrests....and guns.....do not experience spousal murder.

 

[g5000]

Again with the mantra..." Background checks,......background checks...." why do you keep saying that?...you say it as though it has some importance in stopping gun crime.....

Because it does.

Take a gander at this:

See that sudden plunge after 1993?

That's when the Brady Act was passed. The Brady Act is when federal background checks were first implemented.

Again, not a coincidence.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's a consumption tax. Consumption taxes are better than taxes on production.

No...it is a Poll Tax...a tax meant to infringe on the Right of a citizen to prevent them from exercising that right.

And it will reduce revenue as normal people flee from seattle...just like Chicago...

It will do nothing to reduce crime or pay for it.
You would think Seattle with its 15/hr min wage wouldnt be looking to push workers out of the city. But I guess not.

It will increase tax revenues, or it will drive the gun shops out of Seattle. I'm sure the liberals see this as nothing but win/win.

Cigarette taxes have driven tobacco stores out of business. Now there is a much smaller percentage of smokers. That's a win for Pigovian taxes.

They will. Because they're stupid.
States have now made themselves dependent on cigarette tax revenue because of industry settlements.
But in fact smokers cost less than non smokers. Sure they have worse illnesses but they live shorter lives and those illnesses tend to be over quickly. There was a famous Czech study no one wants to quote that showed smokers benefitted the state more than non smokers.

 

[The Rabbi]

Again with the mantra..." Background checks,......background checks...." why do you keep saying that?...you say it as though it has some importance in stopping gun crime.....

Because it does.

Take a gander at this:

See that sudden plunge after 1993?

That's when the Brady Act was passed. The Brady Act is when federal background checks were first implemented.

Again, not a coincidence.

Correlation is not causality. All crime plunged after 1993.

 

[g5000]

It's amazing how many people believe "If the gun shops close, the whole city's gonna die!"

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

If less people own guns, then the chances of spousal murder drops.

Point of fact, the percentage of gun owners is at an all time record low, as is the homicide rate. That's not a coincidence.

Nope...gun ownership is currently on the rise as more women and minorities.....historically under represented in gun ownership....are beginning to buy guns for self defense.

This is just flat out wrong. The percentage of gun owners is at record lows. You are less likely to be around someone with a gun than ever before.

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

Gun murder is going down as more Americans own guns.

The gun murder rate is going down as a smaller and smaller percentage of Americans own guns.

 

[The Rabbi]

It's amazing how many people believe "If the gun shops close, the whole city's gonna die!"

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

If less people own guns, then the chances of spousal murder drops.

Point of fact, the percentage of gun owners is at an all time record low, as is the homicide rate. That's not a coincidence.

Nope...gun ownership is currently on the rise as more women and minorities.....historically under represented in gun ownership....are beginning to buy guns for self defense.

This is just flat out wrong. The percentage of gun owners is at record lows. You are less likely to be around someone with a gun than ever before.

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

Gun murder is going down as more Americans own guns.

The gun murder rate is going down as a smaller percentage of Americans own guns.

How many of those households had convicted felons in them?
Oops.

 

[g5000]

If I own one gun, and you own no guns, the gun ownership rate between the two of us is 50%.

If I go out and buy ten more guns, and you still have no gun, the gun ownership rate between the two of us is still 50%.

This is what the innumerate don't get. "More guns" does not mean "more gun owners".

The rate of gun ownership has plunged dramatically. You are far less likely to be around someone with a gun, or guns, than ever before.

 

[g5000]

Only innocent people die if the gun shops close...

You mean those intent on murdering their spouse already have sufficient stockpiles?

If less people own guns, then the chances of spousal murder drops.

Point of fact, the percentage of gun owners is at an all time record low, as is the homicide rate. That's not a coincidence.

Nope...gun ownership is currently on the rise as more women and minorities.....historically under represented in gun ownership....are beginning to buy guns for self defense.

This is just flat out wrong. The percentage of gun owners is at record lows. You are less likely to be around someone with a gun than ever before.

http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS Reports/GSS_Trends in Gun Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf

Gun murder is going down as more Americans own guns.

The gun murder rate is going down as a smaller percentage of Americans own guns.

How many of those households had convicted felons in them?
Oops.

What point do you think you are making?