I love when you and I agree what a loser la ram is. And what an idiot he is. Conspiracy theorist kook
Bull Ring @Sealybobo : You scream Hail Satan in my thread, challenge my claim, I answer, you ran. Get in the ring.
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funny that you have no desire to talk about his family now as you always do.
One retard agrees with another retard,cute.
Youāre the stupid fuck loser same as that retard.your the lunatic conspiracy theorist kook here falling for the conspiracy theory thst there was russia collusion to get trump elected,not me.
wow your life is so boring and sad you bring up an old dead thread,I only knew to come here now cause a person gave me a thumbs up after I was speaking the truth about you that you evade facts that Obama was a clone of bush and that whitmere and newsome are fascist evil pigs.
oh and if want to keep up with that babble bullshit I am a conspiracy theorist so are you the fact you have always agreed with me 9/11 was an inside job,you ONLY believe it cause it happened under Bush.had it happened under Obama,the entire boards knows you would not believe it being so closed minded on the corruption of the dem party ignoring thst Obama was a clone of Bush.
other than your new butt buddie unkotore,the troll you have even told me you hate before,who acts like a kid always whining to the mods like a kid does to his mommy ,you proved to everybody here you are a coward who ignores the corruption of the dem governors whitmere,cuomo,and newsome changing the subject to trump just as you always do butthurt kid.
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LA RAM FAN
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Well I c h i g o
that is no surprise in the fact he is such a loser
he constantly resurrects old dead buried threads all the time.He is the only poster on here I know that has that sad obsession.
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Which has nothing to do with this post I posted that your heroās whitmere and newsome are fascist socialists. As I said over a year ago and you just proved it again,When you are losing a debate how corrupt your heroās the dems are,you change the subject.I rest my case.
I donāt think it I know. Iām not getting a stimulus but I bet you are
Unkotare sucks
funny that you have no desire to talk about his family now as you always do.
One retard agrees with another retard,cute.
Youāre the stupid fuck loser same as that retard.your the lunatic conspiracy theorist kook here falling for the conspiracy theory thst there was russia collusion to get trump elected,not me.
wow your life is so boring and sad you bring up an old dead thread,I only knew to come here now cause a person gave me a thumbs up after I was speaking the truth about you that you evade facts that Obama was a clone of bush and that whitmere and newsome are fascist evil pigs.
oh and if want to keep up with that babble bullshit I am a conspiracy theorist so are you the fact you have always agreed with me 9/11 was an inside job,you ONLY believe it cause it happened under Bush.had it happened under Obama,the entire boards knows you would not believe it being so closed minded on the corruption of the dem party ignoring thst Obama was a clone of Bush.
other than your new butt buddie unkotore,the troll you have even told me you hate before,who acts like a kid always whining to the mods like a kid does to his mommy ,you proved to everybody here you are a coward who ignores the corruption of the dem governors whitmere,cuomo,and newsome changing the subject to trump just as you always do butthurt kid.
How about the ncaa tournament? Good stuffWhich has nothing to do with this post I posted that your heroās whitmere and newsome are fascist socialists. As I said over a year ago and you just proved it again,When you are losing a debate how corrupt your heroās the dems are,you change the subject.I rest my case.
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I donāt think it I know. .......
A little fish in a puddle.
Absolutely. Hell my brother works with people who make way more than he does and he makes over 500k.I donāt think it I know. .......
A little fish in a puddle.
Still Iām in the top 10% or something like that.
If you made $500k a year trump would call you a little fish in a puddle too. Iām just bigger than you and my puddle is bigger too. Thereās a cap on what you can make not me.
And if you really have kids, which I donāt believe you do, you gonna help them with college?
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Four farts in a row from you there smellybozo. 
have fun talking to yourself,not going to hang around on an old dead thread.I proved my point to the entire board how you always change the subject to trump when you cannot refute facts that the dem governors are evil destroying America and your hero whitmere is a commie socialist as is newsome and cuomo.
you smoke crack so much everyday,knowing you and that other dumbass shill your wife Penelope,you two no doubt think all the citizens of Michigan are traiters for giving whitmere the middle finger by marching in the streets having their own Christmas celebration when the commie told the state they could not have huge gatherings to celebrate it,yep,they are traiters you both think sense whitmere can do know wrong in two fucked up minds of you two lying agents for China.
have fun talking to yourself,not going to hang around on an old dead thread.I proved my point to the entire board how you always change the subject to trump when you cannot refute facts that the dem governors are evil destroying America and your hero whitmere is a commie socialist as is newsome and cuomo.you smoke crack so much everyday,knowing you and that other dumbass shill your wife Penelope,you two no doubt think all the citizens of Michigan are traiters for giving whitmere the middle finger by marching in the streets having their own Christmas celebration when the commie told the state they could not have huge gatherings to celebrate it,yep,they are traiters you both think sense whitmere can do know wrong in two fucked up minds of you two lying agents for China.
I don't even read your posts. You're a retarded nutjob. Your posts are repetative and I love making you waste your time stupid.Four farts in a row from you there smellybozo.
you smoke crack so much everyday,knowing you and that other dumbass shill your wife Penelope,you two no doubt think all the citizens of Michigan are traiters for giving whitmere the middle finger by marching in the streets having their own Christmas celebration when the commie told the state they could not have huge gatherings to celebrate it,yep,they are traiters you both think sense whitmere can do know wrong in two fucked up minds of you two lying agents for China.
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And if you really have kids, which I donāt believe you do...?I donāt think it I know. .......
A little fish in a puddle.
???
Now what the hell are you talking about?
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Cool. Do you ship to Nicaragua. I could use 40 kilos
emilynghiem
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Dear sealybobo and The2ndAmendment
Now we have two different challenges here
A. the original issue was proving or disproving the existence or nonexistence of God
(I argue either is faith based, and depends on people agreeing on what they mean by God or what they are defining or representing)
B. whether sealybobo has credibility which is a separate argument than A
As for being Republican or not, my impression of sealybobo was more
like a Libertarian type. So some of these beliefs align with other Republicans
and some are in conflict. That is typical of any other Libertarian, Republican or Constitutional advocate
I have found, and comes with the political territory and nature of these conflicts in beliefs.
For B, I find sealybobo to be no more or less consistent or conflicted than anyone else
in the Libertarian/Conservative/Republican range. My overall impression is that sealybobo
does answer and respond to reasonable explanations and is very open to reconciling where
possible, without compromising where this isn't necessary. I see nothing wrong with any issue of
"credibility" with sealybobo, so I prefer not to let arguments about B distract from
original arguments A which is has great value and interest in content, while B serves no positive purpose.
Can we go back to A?
My argument is sealybobo is
1. defining God to mean something that is relative and doesn't exist universally for everyone according to THAT meaning or representation
2. and we would have to agree what Satan means as well, which has more than one meaning as does God
Satan can mean the negative influence of fear and selfishness
which becomes greed, ill will, and destructive attitudes that destroy relations with others.
Literally, there are dark forces called demons under Satan
which even Scott Peck wrote about observing in his book Glimpses of the Devil
when he witnessed patterns and stages of behavior, sickness and recovery in
patients with demonic personalities and voices. Peck did not believe in any
"Devil or Satan" being real entities, until he saw these voices and entities
speak for themselves beyond any control or knowledge of the patients held as hosts by these external forces.
Not until he witnessed for himself that these were operating independently
did he understand what Christians mean by demons and Satan being outside influences
that invade and oppress or possess the free will and minds of people with no control
except to ask help to remove this obstruction so they can recover their free will.
I have never met people who could grasp any of this is real without seeing it for themselves.
it just sounds too fantastical or delusional, as even Peck believed it had to be
from mental delusions and chemical imbalances in the brains of patients.
So I do not fault sealybobo having skepticism and rejection, as that is natural.
Until you see scientific proof or eyewitness experience, there is no reason to believe this is true.
The most I have seen people do is change their minds and be OPEN to the idea
it could be proven true. But again, even Peck agreed this is still FAITH BASED.
He and his other team members " could have all experienced a mass hallucination "
at the same time, or could all by lying from the perspective of outside people who weren't there as witnesses.
So THAT level of "believing there is a Satanic realm of demonic entities"
is different.
Not everyone needs to believe in that to understand
"Satan" in general to mean selfish or fear based influence on the negative side of destruction and ill will
and
"God" in general to mean unconditional love, collective truth, univeral laws of life and nature,
or the power of Greater Good Will for humanity overcoming ill will and destructive forces of fear
I would even reframe God and Satan as
faith in Abundance Mentality
vs. fear based on Scarcity Mentality
Abundant believers that life is good tend to be generous and selfless in sharing and investing in others
with faith that the good attracts more good and pays forward
Scarcity fear mongers tend to be selfish from lack of faith there are enough resources
without trying to control or force other people such as by bullying or politics etc.
If people believe in God or Good will, truth and love as being more powerful
this tends to correlate with trusting in people to change by free will and reason, by supporting where we agree,
not by force by bullying by exclusion, coercion, insulting or attacking etc. which is Antichrist or abuse of authority or power.
Believing in reconciling man's individual will with God's "collective good will"
through Christ Jesus means faith in Restorative Justice to
establish justice and peace in all our relations and to restore society and humanity
as a collective process.
So either sealybobo has faith that such Good will or God exists
or defines God to be universal truth or something else that drives us
to correct falsehood and injustice and seek this higher level, whatever you call it.
sealybobo whatever level of TRUTH you are seeking to establish here,
how would you frame that goal or this process in terms of what other
people would call reconciling with God's or Universal Truth to bring peace and freedom from problems?
Now we have two different challenges here
A. the original issue was proving or disproving the existence or nonexistence of God
(I argue either is faith based, and depends on people agreeing on what they mean by God or what they are defining or representing)
B. whether sealybobo has credibility which is a separate argument than A
As for being Republican or not, my impression of sealybobo was more
like a Libertarian type. So some of these beliefs align with other Republicans
and some are in conflict. That is typical of any other Libertarian, Republican or Constitutional advocate
I have found, and comes with the political territory and nature of these conflicts in beliefs.
For B, I find sealybobo to be no more or less consistent or conflicted than anyone else
in the Libertarian/Conservative/Republican range. My overall impression is that sealybobo
does answer and respond to reasonable explanations and is very open to reconciling where
possible, without compromising where this isn't necessary. I see nothing wrong with any issue of
"credibility" with sealybobo, so I prefer not to let arguments about B distract from
original arguments A which is has great value and interest in content, while B serves no positive purpose.
Can we go back to A?
My argument is sealybobo is
1. defining God to mean something that is relative and doesn't exist universally for everyone according to THAT meaning or representation
2. and we would have to agree what Satan means as well, which has more than one meaning as does God
Satan can mean the negative influence of fear and selfishness
which becomes greed, ill will, and destructive attitudes that destroy relations with others.
Literally, there are dark forces called demons under Satan
which even Scott Peck wrote about observing in his book Glimpses of the Devil
when he witnessed patterns and stages of behavior, sickness and recovery in
patients with demonic personalities and voices. Peck did not believe in any
"Devil or Satan" being real entities, until he saw these voices and entities
speak for themselves beyond any control or knowledge of the patients held as hosts by these external forces.
Not until he witnessed for himself that these were operating independently
did he understand what Christians mean by demons and Satan being outside influences
that invade and oppress or possess the free will and minds of people with no control
except to ask help to remove this obstruction so they can recover their free will.
I have never met people who could grasp any of this is real without seeing it for themselves.
it just sounds too fantastical or delusional, as even Peck believed it had to be
from mental delusions and chemical imbalances in the brains of patients.
So I do not fault sealybobo having skepticism and rejection, as that is natural.
Until you see scientific proof or eyewitness experience, there is no reason to believe this is true.
The most I have seen people do is change their minds and be OPEN to the idea
it could be proven true. But again, even Peck agreed this is still FAITH BASED.
He and his other team members " could have all experienced a mass hallucination "
at the same time, or could all by lying from the perspective of outside people who weren't there as witnesses.
So THAT level of "believing there is a Satanic realm of demonic entities"
is different.
Not everyone needs to believe in that to understand
"Satan" in general to mean selfish or fear based influence on the negative side of destruction and ill will
and
"God" in general to mean unconditional love, collective truth, univeral laws of life and nature,
or the power of Greater Good Will for humanity overcoming ill will and destructive forces of fear
I would even reframe God and Satan as
faith in Abundance Mentality
vs. fear based on Scarcity Mentality
Abundant believers that life is good tend to be generous and selfless in sharing and investing in others
with faith that the good attracts more good and pays forward
Scarcity fear mongers tend to be selfish from lack of faith there are enough resources
without trying to control or force other people such as by bullying or politics etc.
If people believe in God or Good will, truth and love as being more powerful
this tends to correlate with trusting in people to change by free will and reason, by supporting where we agree,
not by force by bullying by exclusion, coercion, insulting or attacking etc. which is Antichrist or abuse of authority or power.
Believing in reconciling man's individual will with God's "collective good will"
through Christ Jesus means faith in Restorative Justice to
establish justice and peace in all our relations and to restore society and humanity
as a collective process.
So either sealybobo has faith that such Good will or God exists
or defines God to be universal truth or something else that drives us
to correct falsehood and injustice and seek this higher level, whatever you call it.
sealybobo whatever level of TRUTH you are seeking to establish here,
how would you frame that goal or this process in terms of what other
people would call reconciling with God's or Universal Truth to bring peace and freedom from problems?
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