Se. Harry Reid (D-NV) calls for Constitutional amendmentto restrict Koch brothers

[Sallow]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

Explain how someone else's money prevents you from speaking.

Acting ignorant is another favorite tactic of the Hitlerite fascist.

They play these game in the hopes that their intentions aren't clear as a bell.

Note to the Fascist Hitlerite. They are as a clear as a bell.

Ding!

In other words, you can't explain. We already knew that, but we always enjoy watching you choke when you attempt to justify your fascist agenda.

Hitlerite Fascists are ever watchful, looking for a chance to strike and project.

Right you Hitlerite Fascist?

Or is it Monarchist this week? We can never be sure.

 

[Sallow]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

The "Hitlerites" are the ones who want to abolish the First Amendment.who

Um yeah.....If the nazis get their way, "Free Speech" will be a thing of the past for us all - let alone the "rich".

Yes..the first thing the Nazis got rid of were the rich..

Oh wait..that's not right.

It was the commies.

 

[Clementine]

A fair and balanced law would also stop George Soros. He has money invested in so many leftwing groups that it makes the Koch brothers look like amateurs.

Both parties are permanently bonded to the 1%ers. It's a joke that anyone in Washington bashes the wealthy considering they can't survive without them.

 

[OriginalShroom]

ROFLMAO

After all his complaints about Republican obstruction this year, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid expressed frustration last night after Republicans helped guarantee a floor vote on a measure he supports.

The Nevada Democrat has accused Senate Republicans of chicanery for voting to advance to the Senate floor a Democratic constitutional amendment allowing Congress to regulate all campaign speech and spending.

After Monday's bipartisan 79-18 vote, Reid vented to reporters that Republicans were trying to "stall" the Senate, indicating that he never intended for the campaign finance amendment by Sen. Tom Udall, D-N.M., to go to a real floor debate.

 

[Sallow]

A fair and balanced law would also stop George Soros. He has money invested in so many leftwing groups that it makes the Koch brothers look like amateurs.

Both parties are permanently bonded to the 1%ers. It's a joke that anyone in Washington bashes the wealthy considering they can't survive without them.

Yes that insidious George Soros..

Family foundations
Main article: Koch Family Foundations
The Koch Family Foundations began in 1953 with the establishment of the Fred C. and Mary R. Koch Foundation. In 1980, Charles Koch established the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, with the stated purpose of advancing social progress and well-being through the development, application and dissemination of "the Science of Liberty". David Koch established the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation. The two brothers' foundations have provided hundreds of millions of dollars to a variety of organizations, including arts organizations, educational organizations,[5] and libertarian or conservative think tanks.

Charles Koch and his wife are trustees of the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, as directed by Claude R. Lambe.[27][28] With less than $6 million remaining as of 2010, the foundation distributed more than $27 million of its assets between 1997 and 2009.[29][30]

Think tanks and political organizations
Charles and David Koch have been involved in, and have provided funding to, a number of other think tanks and advocacy organizations: They provided the initial funding for the Cato Institute, they are key donors to the Federalist Society,[31] and they also support, or are members of, the Mercatus Center, the Institute for Humane Studies, the Institute for Justice, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, the Institute for Energy Research, the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute, the Reason Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute,[32][33] the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC),[34] and the Fraser Institute.[35][36] As of 2011, David Koch sits on the board of directors of the Cato institute,[37] the Reason Foundation and the Aspen Institute.[38] A 2013 study by the Center for Responsive Politics said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[39]

Citizens for a Sound Economy
Citizens for a Sound Economy was co-founded by David Koch in the 1980s.[31] According to the Center for Public Integrity, the Koch Brothers donated a total amount of $7.9 million between 1986 and 1993.[4] In 1990, the brothers created the spinoff group Citizens for the Environment.[4] In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy was renamed FreedomWorks, while its affiliated Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation became Americans for Prosperity (AFP). Since then the Koch brothers have given more than one million dollars to AFP.[4][31][40]

Americans for Prosperity
At an AFP rally in 2009, David Koch said "Five years ago, my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start the Americans for Prosperity, and it's beyond my wildest dreams how AFP has grown into this enormous organization."[40] AFP is the political arm of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, for which David Koch serves as chairman of the Board of Trustees.[31][38] Americans for Prosperity created Patients United Now, which advocated against a single-payer health care system during the 2009-2010 healthcare reform debate. Both FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity have provided support for the Tea Party movement.[41][42] AFP spent $45 million in the 2010 election.[43]

Cato Institute
The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch. Following the 2011 death of William Niskanen, the chairman of the Cato Institute, Charles and David Koch reportedly made an effort to procure the shares of that institute held by Niskanen’s widow, "arguing that they were not hers to hold".[44] Their efforts were criticized by some at the institute, including the institute's president Ed Crane, who in an email to staff stated that the Kochs were "in the process of trying to take over the Cato Institute and, in my opinion, reduce it to a partisan adjunct to Americans for Prosperity, the activist GOP group they control." The brothers denied any wrongdoing.[45] In June 2012, Cato and the brothers reached an agreement. Crane stepped down and was replaced by John A. Allison IV; the Kochs withdrew two lawsuits.[46]

Freedom Partners
An organization with ties to the Koch Brothers,[47] Freedom Partners, gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations, including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed The Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board of directors is made up of long-time employees of the Koch brothers,[48][49][50] and has been called "the Koch brothers' secret bank" for its function as a vehicle to provide large donations to external organizations that advance causes supported by the Kochs.[51]

Competitive Enterprise Institute
The Kochs donated more than $17 million between 1997 and 2008 to various groups including the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The group has been accused of opposing unions.[40] It describes itself as offering information on issues including, among others, energy, environment, biotechnology, pharmaceutical regulation, chemical risk, telecommunications, etc.[52]

Generation Opportunity
The Koch's have supported Paul T. Conway's Generation Opportunity, a youth mobilization effort.[53]
Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What did Soro's fund again? Media Matters?

 

[M.D. Rawlings]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

The "Hitlerites" are the ones who want to abolish the First Amendment.who

Um yeah.....If the nazis get their way, "Free Speech" will be a thing of the past for us all - let alone the "rich".

There, in a nutshell, is the modern liberal attitude toward freedom of speech, and by extension freedom of thought. If research doesn't substantiate the cultural goals and priorities of today's Neo-Fascists, then we must ensure that it "does not continue." If speech refutes the Left's positions on any number of issues, then it has to be silenced. "Academic justice" means suppression of all those naughty things that people might say that contradict us. As far as speech is concerned, the Left definitely prefers a command economy over the free market.

Why liberals hate freedom of speech

The Doctrine of Academic Freedom Opinion The Harvard Crimson
​

Lefty = Fascist Thug.

 

[AmericanFirst]

The accusation of "big money" ruining politics is just a red herring to excuse the ignorance of the American people. An informed electorate can't be bought by any amount of third party campaign cash.

Informed by what?

News?

Media?

A guy on a horse?

Big money controls our media. Which, by the way, is our source of getting information, since most of us can't be all places at all times.

All I need to hear is obamashitforbrains talk to understand what he is about, nothing good for America.

 

[bripat9643]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

Explain how someone else's money prevents you from speaking.

Acting ignorant is another favorite tactic of the Hitlerite fascist.

They play these game in the hopes that their intentions aren't clear as a bell.

Note to the Fascist Hitlerite. They are as a clear as a bell.

Ding!

In other words, you can't explain. We already knew that, but we always enjoy watching you choke when you attempt to justify your fascist agenda.

Hitlerite Fascists are ever watchful, looking for a chance to strike and project.

Right you Hitlerite Fascist?

Or is it Monarchist this week? We can never be sure.

We've already established the fact that you're the one who wants to repeal the First Amendment.

 

[bripat9643]

A fair and balanced law would also stop George Soros. He has money invested in so many leftwing groups that it makes the Koch brothers look like amateurs.

Both parties are permanently bonded to the 1%ers. It's a joke that anyone in Washington bashes the wealthy considering they can't survive without them.

Yes that insidious George Soros..

Family foundations
Main article: Koch Family Foundations
The Koch Family Foundations began in 1953 with the establishment of the Fred C. and Mary R. Koch Foundation. In 1980, Charles Koch established the Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation, with the stated purpose of advancing social progress and well-being through the development, application and dissemination of "the Science of Liberty". David Koch established the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation. The two brothers' foundations have provided hundreds of millions of dollars to a variety of organizations, including arts organizations, educational organizations,[5] and libertarian or conservative think tanks.

Charles Koch and his wife are trustees of the Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation, as directed by Claude R. Lambe.[27][28] With less than $6 million remaining as of 2010, the foundation distributed more than $27 million of its assets between 1997 and 2009.[29][30]

Think tanks and political organizations
Charles and David Koch have been involved in, and have provided funding to, a number of other think tanks and advocacy organizations: They provided the initial funding for the Cato Institute, they are key donors to the Federalist Society,[31] and they also support, or are members of, the Mercatus Center, the Institute for Humane Studies, the Institute for Justice, the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, the Institute for Energy Research, the Foundation for Research on Economics and the Environment, Heritage Foundation, the Manhattan Institute, the George C. Marshall Institute, the Reason Foundation, the American Enterprise Institute,[32][33] the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC),[34] and the Fraser Institute.[35][36] As of 2011, David Koch sits on the board of directors of the Cato institute,[37] the Reason Foundation and the Aspen Institute.[38] A 2013 study by the Center for Responsive Politics said that nonprofit groups backed by a donor network organized by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch raised more than $400 million in the 2011–2012 election cycle.[39]

Citizens for a Sound Economy
Citizens for a Sound Economy was co-founded by David Koch in the 1980s.[31] According to the Center for Public Integrity, the Koch Brothers donated a total amount of $7.9 million between 1986 and 1993.[4] In 1990, the brothers created the spinoff group Citizens for the Environment.[4] In 2004, Citizens for a Sound Economy was renamed FreedomWorks, while its affiliated Citizens for a Sound Economy Foundation became Americans for Prosperity (AFP). Since then the Koch brothers have given more than one million dollars to AFP.[4][31][40]

Americans for Prosperity
At an AFP rally in 2009, David Koch said "Five years ago, my brother Charles and I provided the funds to start the Americans for Prosperity, and it's beyond my wildest dreams how AFP has grown into this enormous organization."[40] AFP is the political arm of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation, for which David Koch serves as chairman of the Board of Trustees.[31][38] Americans for Prosperity created Patients United Now, which advocated against a single-payer health care system during the 2009-2010 healthcare reform debate. Both FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity have provided support for the Tea Party movement.[41][42] AFP spent $45 million in the 2010 election.[43]

Cato Institute
The Cato Institute is an American libertarian think tank headquartered in Washington, D.C. It was founded as the Charles Koch Foundation in 1974 by Ed Crane, Murray Rothbard, and Charles Koch. Following the 2011 death of William Niskanen, the chairman of the Cato Institute, Charles and David Koch reportedly made an effort to procure the shares of that institute held by Niskanen’s widow, "arguing that they were not hers to hold".[44] Their efforts were criticized by some at the institute, including the institute's president Ed Crane, who in an email to staff stated that the Kochs were "in the process of trying to take over the Cato Institute and, in my opinion, reduce it to a partisan adjunct to Americans for Prosperity, the activist GOP group they control." The brothers denied any wrongdoing.[45] In June 2012, Cato and the brothers reached an agreement. Crane stepped down and was replaced by John A. Allison IV; the Kochs withdrew two lawsuits.[46]

Freedom Partners
An organization with ties to the Koch Brothers,[47] Freedom Partners, gave grants worth a total of $236 million to conservative organizations, including Tea Party groups like the Tea Party Patriots and organizations which opposed The Affordable Care Act prior to the 2012 election. A majority of Freedom Partners board of directors is made up of long-time employees of the Koch brothers,[48][49][50] and has been called "the Koch brothers' secret bank" for its function as a vehicle to provide large donations to external organizations that advance causes supported by the Kochs.[51]

Competitive Enterprise Institute
The Kochs donated more than $17 million between 1997 and 2008 to various groups including the Competitive Enterprise Institute. The group has been accused of opposing unions.[40] It describes itself as offering information on issues including, among others, energy, environment, biotechnology, pharmaceutical regulation, chemical risk, telecommunications, etc.[52]

Generation Opportunity
The Koch's have supported Paul T. Conway's Generation Opportunity, a youth mobilization effort.[53]
Political activities of the Koch brothers - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

What did Soro's fund again? Media Matters?

Yeah, those organizations sure sound sinister. "Americans for Prosperity?" We can't have any of that, now! Liberty and freedom? Horrors!

 

[Sallow]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

Explain how someone else's money prevents you from speaking.

Acting ignorant is another favorite tactic of the Hitlerite fascist.

They play these game in the hopes that their intentions aren't clear as a bell.

Note to the Fascist Hitlerite. They are as a clear as a bell.

Ding!

In other words, you can't explain. We already knew that, but we always enjoy watching you choke when you attempt to justify your fascist agenda.

Hitlerite Fascists are ever watchful, looking for a chance to strike and project.

Right you Hitlerite Fascist?

Or is it Monarchist this week? We can never be sure.

We've already established the fact that you're the one who wants to repeal the First Amendment.

Hitlerites have a tendency to spread falsehoods and outright lies, while they prop up the rich and powerful.

It's a Fascist thing, right? Fascist?

 

[g5000]

The Citizens United case was a fight over a film about Hillary Clinton. Those who are upset about that decision should think about the implications. No more political films. Anyone who did not like a political film could sue to have an injunction placed against it because it is "electioneering".

 

[Sallow]

The Citizens United case was a fight over a film about Hillary Clinton. Those who are upset about that decision should think about the implications. No more political films. Anyone who did not like a political film could sue to have an injunction placed against it because it is "electioneering".

Had it just been about the film and ended there? No one would be upset. The ruling could have held that privately made films can be run at anytime.

The ruling went beyond that and held that Corporations were citizens with the same rights to advocate in politics as flesh and blood citizens.

That's unbelievably bad for anyone who thinks that a viable Democracy must be free of the corrupting influence of wealth.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

$$$ is not free speech, despite SCOTUS.

Join with me and declare Obamacare isn't the law of the land.

 

[bripat9643]

Can't legally silence them so let's change the laws to eliminate freedom of speech. That will fix the problem.

It's not eliminating "Freedom of speech".

It's eliminating the role money has in stifling Free Speech.

Money doesn't stifle anyone's freedom to speach. The First Amendment protects Freedom of Speech. It doesn't enforce equal speech. That's what Stalinists like you refuse to understand.

Of course it does. What you Hitlerites fail to understand that we are on to your fascist ways.

Explain how someone else's money prevents you from speaking.

Acting ignorant is another favorite tactic of the Hitlerite fascist.

They play these game in the hopes that their intentions aren't clear as a bell.

Note to the Fascist Hitlerite. They are as a clear as a bell.

Ding!

In other words, you can't explain. We already knew that, but we always enjoy watching you choke when you attempt to justify your fascist agenda.

Hitlerite Fascists are ever watchful, looking for a chance to strike and project.

Right you Hitlerite Fascist?

Or is it Monarchist this week? We can never be sure.

We've already established the fact that you're the one who wants to repeal the First Amendment.

Hitlerites have a tendency to spread falsehoods and outright lies, while they prop up the rich and powerful.

It's a Fascist thing, right? Fascist?

You've already stated your support of bills that would prevent certain groups of people from publishing their views.

So where's the lie? It seems you're the one spreading falsehoods and outright lies.

 

[JakeStarkey]

False comparison sonny and irrelevant to the eventual overthrow of corporate person hood beyond limited liability for share holders.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one is preventing anyone of publishing their views, bripat.

The issue is the amount of $$$ involved in publishing those views.

 

[bripat9643]

The Citizens United case was a fight over a film about Hillary Clinton. Those who are upset about that decision should think about the implications. No more political films. Anyone who did not like a political film could sue to have an injunction placed against it because it is "electioneering".

Had it just been about the film and ended there? No one would be upset. The ruling could have held that privately made films can be run at anytime.

Liberals would be screaming about that if the Supreme Court had ruled accordingly. Who do you think you're kidding. What liberals want is for leftwing groups to be free to publish and broadcast their loathsome swill ad nauseum, but those who oppose liberalism are to be muzzled. What principle would you use to justify censoring books and magazines but not movies?

The ruling went beyond that and held that Corporations were citizens with the same rights to advocate in politics as flesh and blood citizens.

How do you infringe on the Constitutional rights of corporations without also infringing on the constitutional rights of the citizens who own them? How would citizens band together to promote their views in ways that no single citizen could afford on his own?

That's unbelievably bad for anyone who thinks that a viable Democracy must be free of the corrupting influence of wealth.

Democracy is inherently corrupt. Giving government the authority to decide who speaks and who doesn't speak would only intensify that corruption. If you object to Citizens United it's because fundamentally you're a fascist who opposes a free citizenry.

 

[bripat9643]

No one is preventing anyone of publishing their views, bripat.

The issue is the amount of $$$ involved in publishing those views.

Fakey chimes in to prove he's an imbecile. The Citizens United case came about when the FEC ruled that the Citizens United corporation couldn't make a movie about Hillary Clinton. In other words, it prevented them from publishing their views.

You're 100% wrong, as always, and you're staying true to your Stalinist form.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Citizens United actually creates a closer fascist link between government and big business.

 

[bripat9643]

False comparison sonny and irrelevant to the eventual overthrow of corporate person hood beyond limited liability for share holders.

It wasn't a comparison, Fakey. You embarrassed yourself, once again.