Screw "Tax The Poor" Capitalism.

[danielpalos]

Sure. It is about solving simple poverty to improve the efficiency of our economy; Because, capital Must circulate to promote the general prosperity and the general welfare, under Any form of Capitalism.

Employment is at-will in our at-will employment States. Our current regime is unjust, oppressive, and unnecessary and improper, because it denies and disparages the least wealthy and most vulnerable, equal protection of the law.

Labor should be able to quit their day job if they simply no longer have any will to work there, and collect unemployment compensation.

Capitalists should have to "compete" for labor ceteris paribus, not indulge a "work or die" ethic, from the fantastical element of the right wing; that simply happens to be in favor of their bottom line. Capital coincidence or capital conspiracy?

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

Only the Stupid Keep It Simple

Money turns into scrap paper if it's not backed by production. Economists create a design, a blueprint, a flat drawing of a structure. That makes it easier for their limited intelligence to work with and explain to the suckers who fall for their unearned prestige.

What are you referring to? Simply engaging in red herrings from pre-WWII Germany does nothing for your credibility.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

Where do you think we have been getting most of our advances in technologies from?

"Wow! Cool!" Goofballs Munching Mind Candy

If the government wants to fund a practical technological advance, it should subsidize research in that specific area instead of tying it to some useless and expensive spectacle.

The corporations have the power to stop this colossal government waste, but they get the patents needed for NA$A's silly circus without risking any of their own money. Another drag on progress is that scientists who could have cured cancer, etc., have their talents wasted on the childish and escapist indulgence of astronomy.

 

[danielpalos]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

Where do you think we have been getting most of our advances in technologies from?

"Wow! Cool!" Goofballs Munching Mind Candy

If the government wants to fund a practical technological advance, it should subsidize research in that specific area instead of tying it to some useless and expensive spectacle.

The corporations have the power to stop this colossal government waste, but they get the patents needed for NA$A's silly circus without risking any of their own money. Another drag on progress is that scientists who could have cured cancer, etc., have their talents wasted on the childish and escapist indulgence of astronomy.

Nothing but propaganda and rhetoric. I like advances in technologies.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

No what the biggest thing that would help labor? Get rid of Health care tied to employment, you'd see a boom like the US had post WW2 if we had single payer UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like every other developed nation!

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

Only the Stupid Keep It Simple

Money turns into scrap paper if it's not backed by production. Economists create a design, a blueprint, a flat drawing of a structure. That makes it easier for their limited intelligence to work with and explain to the suckers who fall for their unearned prestige.

What are you referring to? Simply engaging in red herrings from pre-WWII Germany does nothing for your credibility.

OPEC Price-Gouging Is Similar to the Versailles Treaty's Effect on Germany

Actually, Germany's economic collapse was a lot like the lazy minorities' mooching that you advocate. War reparations were the same kind of welfare check to the unproductive (for Germany, at least) that drained the value of the mark. Don't let the Liberal/Conservative Axis trick you; the leeching rich, poor, and foreigners must be all be attacked equally and mercilessly.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

Where do you think we have been getting most of our advances in technologies from?

"Wow! Cool!" Goofballs Munching Mind Candy

If the government wants to fund a practical technological advance, it should subsidize research in that specific area instead of tying it to some useless and expensive spectacle.

The corporations have the power to stop this colossal government waste, but they get the patents needed for NA$A's silly circus without risking any of their own money. Another drag on progress is that scientists who could have cured cancer, etc., have their talents wasted on the childish and escapist indulgence of astronomy.

. I like advances in technologies.

The Moon and Sixpence

You like to freeload off the humiliation of STEM talent, which ironically also makes them into weird immature escapists who believe in Trekkie silliness. Pay superior students a high salary in college, plus free tuition. When they get hired, give them 50% of the profits from their corporate patents. You disrespect solutions that don't come from hired gurus.

 

[danielpalos]

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

A Seed Doesn't Grow by Sitting on It

Money only represents products or potential products. Once the products are consumed, more have to be produced, which won't happen if too many consumers aren't producers. Imagine a food supply distributed your way, with people loafing who should be farming. That brings on starvation.

Solving simple poverty and ensuring capital circulates, does that.

The poor tend to spend most of their income on consumable goods and services.

Only the Stupid Keep It Simple

Money turns into scrap paper if it's not backed by production. Economists create a design, a blueprint, a flat drawing of a structure. That makes it easier for their limited intelligence to work with and explain to the suckers who fall for their unearned prestige.

What are you referring to? Simply engaging in red herrings from pre-WWII Germany does nothing for your credibility.

OPEC Price-Gouging Is Similar to the Versailles Treaty's Effect on Germany

Actually, Germany's economic collapse was a lot like the lazy minorities' mooching that you advocate. War reparations were the same kind of welfare check to the unproductive (for Germany, at least) that drained the value of the mark. Don't let the Liberal/Conservative Axis trick you; the leeching rich, poor, and foreigners must be all be attacked equally and mercilessly.

Just like I suspected; nothing but red herrings. you only have a fallacy of false Cause; our modern US economy is not a Third World economy, like it would need to be, for "truer forms of capitalism" to "take effect".

 

[danielpalos]

Nixon gave us a War on Drugs instead of a Mission to Mars. We could have had a Mars Observatory there, by now, right wingers.

NA$A

Wasting money on a childish Trekkie circus. Only those who are all doped up ignore what is around them and get fixated on the Twinkling Void.

Where do you think we have been getting most of our advances in technologies from?

"Wow! Cool!" Goofballs Munching Mind Candy

If the government wants to fund a practical technological advance, it should subsidize research in that specific area instead of tying it to some useless and expensive spectacle.

The corporations have the power to stop this colossal government waste, but they get the patents needed for NA$A's silly circus without risking any of their own money. Another drag on progress is that scientists who could have cured cancer, etc., have their talents wasted on the childish and escapist indulgence of astronomy.

. I like advances in technologies.

The Moon and Sixpence

You like to freeload off the humiliation of STEM talent, which ironically also makes them into weird immature escapists who believe in Trekkie silliness. Pay superior students a high salary in college, plus free tuition. When they get hired, give them 50% of the profits from their corporate patents. You disrespect solutions that don't come from hired gurus.

You prefer outhouses to indoor plumbing, right winger?

 

[The Derp]

Subprime was a flipper-loan scam. As soon as the banks got control of ghetto rat traps, they'd tear those neighborhoods down and put in highly profitable upscale housing. When that market suddenly dried up because of oil price-gouging, they were stuck with worthless property.

No, the housing market dried up because the credit markets were frozen because banks had leveraged themselves to purchase tons of subprime-backed mortgage securities that turned toxic once the mortgages backing them started to default.

The oil bubble actually increased demand because once it popped, oil prices plummeted.

 

[The Derp]

Mandatory unions is the majoritarian democratic way to end wage-gouging, not welfare from a governing class that feels itself superior to the majority of its citizens. Look how slowly minimum wage has risen, when unions would have raised it long ago. A foolish and slavish self-hatred drove unions to depend on the Democratic Party, which became infested with spoiled snobs who have always thought that those who were born in the working class are inferior.

I think you are projecting the Republican Party onto the Democratic Party. The destruction of unions and the refusal to raise the MW are Conservative things, not Democratic things. Conservatives oppose unions. Conservatives oppose raising the MW. Conservatives are the problem.

 

[The Derp]

Yup.Tax cuts to below that rate would pay for themselves..
Tax cuts below that level wouldn't. So? They should still be cut.

So what is that level? You don't know, do you? Most economists say that level should be between 50-75% on the top bracket.

 

[The Derp]

I think people keeping their own money is more important than maximizing government revenues.

Cutting taxes doesn't mean people will "keep more of their own money"...the household debt figures completely undermine that wild claim. Sure, you're saving money in income taxes, but sales taxes, excise taxes, user fees, tuition, health care costs, public transportation costs, etc. all rise to make up for the gap created by income tax cuts. Those cost increases affect the middle and lower class more than the wealthy.

But that's always been the Conservative goal; you lack the courage and support to repeal legislation you are ideologically opposed to, so instead you try to Trojan Horse it by reducing government revenues deliberately in order to manufacture deficits that you then use as an excuse to cut the spending you are ideologically opposed to, but lack the courage and support to repeal through legislation.

We know the game by now...Norquist revealed it in the 80's. Amazing that in 30+ years, Conservatives have not changed their dogma one iota. That proves they are regressive and out of touch.

 

[danielpalos]

Why does the one percent, need a tax break?

 

[The Derp]

If the government wants to fund a practical technological advance, it should subsidize research in that specific area instead of tying it to some useless and expensive spectacle.

The #1 funding entity of medical research in this country is the government. Of the entire health care sector, guess who is at the bottom when it comes to research funding? Insurance companies. Guess who is second-to-last? Drug companies. Drug companies spend more on advertising than they do on research & development. You want waste? There's your waste; marketing & advertising. Also, lobbying. That's a waste of your money too because the insurers aren't lobbying on your behalf, they're lobbying on behalf of themselves. Their interest and your interests are not one in the same.

 

[The Derp]

Why does the one percent, need a tax break?

We obviously know they don't. Conservatives are still pretending that trickle-down happens. They think calling it something else makes it different, but we know it doesn't. So do they. They are being deliberately obtuse on purpose; mainly because they have no thoughts of their own, so they just parrot that which they have heard from authoritarians the last 40 or so years.

 

[The Derp]

ah...because Republicans are for freedom from central govt as were our Founders????

We have a centralized economy, so we need a centralized government to make sure it works for everyone.

When you can sit at your computer in Seattle, order a product from Miami, pay for it with a credit card based in Wilmington, and have it shipped by a company based in Houston, the concept of de-centralized government makes little sense.

 

[The Derp]

typical liberal lie. The top 1% now pay 40% of all income tax while they paid only 20% during Reagan. This is a total rip off of the most productive people in our society!

You're the ones who created this situation when you cut taxes. So you cut taxes, which resulted in disruption of the tax burden, which caused nearly half of all workers to not pay federal income tax, and your solution is....to cut taxes further? I'm assuming because doing so would result in an even greater burden, which causes more people to not pay federal income tax, which your solution to is...to cut taxes further.

So really, you are complaining about the very thing your policy caused. The problem is you!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Yup.Tax cuts to below that rate would pay for themselves..
Tax cuts below that level wouldn't. So? They should still be cut.

So what is that level? You don't know, do you? Most economists say that level should be between 50-75% on the top bracket.

So what is that level? You don't know, do you?

I don't know, I don't care.

Cuts to below that level should still be made.

 

[The Derp]

I don't know, I don't care.Cuts to below that level should still be made.

So you're making a determination based on your feelings, not based on facts or evidence.

How typically Conservative...such snowflakes...all about feelings.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I think people keeping their own money is more important than maximizing government revenues.

Cutting taxes doesn't mean people will "keep more of their own money"...the household debt figures completely undermine that wild claim. Sure, you're saving money in income taxes, but sales taxes, excise taxes, user fees, tuition, health care costs, public transportation costs, etc. all rise to make up for the gap created by income tax cuts. Those cost increases affect the middle and lower class more than the wealthy.

But that's always been the Conservative goal; you lack the courage and support to repeal legislation you are ideologically opposed to, so instead you try to Trojan Horse it by reducing government revenues deliberately in order to manufacture deficits that you then use as an excuse to cut the spending you are ideologically opposed to, but lack the courage and support to repeal through legislation.

We know the game by now...Norquist revealed it in the 80's. Amazing that in 30+ years, Conservatives have not changed their dogma one iota. That proves they are regressive and out of touch.

Cutting taxes doesn't mean people will "keep more of their own money"...

You're one of those morons who thinks higher taxes mean people will keep more of their own money.

Sure, you're saving money in income taxes

Excellent! Glad you finally pulled your head out of your ass....however briefly.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know, I don't care.Cuts to below that level should still be made.

So you're making a determination based on your feelings, not based on facts or evidence.

How typically Conservative...such snowflakes...all about feelings.

So you're making a determination based on your feelings, not based on facts or evidence.

Cuts once you're below the peak of the Laffer Curve will reduce government revenues.

I think that's fine.

You feel it isn't.

 

[The Derp]

You're one of those morons who thinks higher taxes mean people will keep more of their own money.

Higher taxes on the rich, yes. Those higher taxes can fund things like health care and education, which means everyone else spends less on those and more in the consumer economy, which is 70% of the entire economy and where most of the jobs are. And we want people spending money in the consumer economy, don't we?

When taxes were cut for the wealthy during Bush the Dumber, they didn't increase their spending. Instead, they increased their savings. So the trickle down promise never came to pass, nor would it ever because it's fantasy.

xcellent! Glad you finally pulled your head out of your ass....however briefly.

Of course, you cut out the rest of my sentence. But that's how you guys roll; lie by omission. Tax cuts have to paid somehow, and almost always that "somehow" involves higher excise and sales taxes, and/or higher user fees and costs for the middle and lower class.

That part of the equation you guys never account for. Like Trump's latest budget that has a $2T math error in it.