Save the Children: US Ranked 25th

[starcraftzzz]

Least succesful health care system? how so? I know its expensive but if oil rich Sheikhs come here for treatment instead of the other countries on this list, I don't think its so bad.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

If you think the Americna healthcare system is good/efficent then you are ignorant

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

 

[High_Gravity]

Yes dumbass the prolbem with shitty living standards is we dont do enough to raise living standards

************ you have no idea what shitty living standards are.

Given that America despite having GDP around 25% higher then other western countries still has lower living stadnards its apparent we have shitty living standards..

You have no idea what "shitty" living standards are you spoiled little *****.

 

[High_Gravity]

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

If you think the Americna healthcare system is good/efficent then you are ignorant

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

HAHAHAHA yeah, thats why they flock to the US to become cab drivers.

 

[starcraftzzz]

The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.

Actually more Americans go to other countries for health care then foregins come to America for health care

Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

So perhaps do research before you spout nonsense and ignroance.

 

[starcraftzzz]

************ you have no idea what shitty living standards are.

Given that America despite having GDP around 25% higher then other western countries still has lower living stadnards its apparent we have shitty living standards..

You have no idea what "shitty" living standards are you spoiled little *****.

Yep and you have no idea how to think...

 

[starcraftzzz]

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

HAHAHAHA yeah, thats why they flock to the US to become cab drivers.

They don't flock to the US as usually when you're proven to be ignorant and wrong you response is to make more shit up and say even stupider things
. I repeat "Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system."

Come back when your repsone is something other then "LOL HAHA you ***** blah blkah" but given you dont have the mental ability to say anything other then that just never come back...

 

[High_Gravity]

Given that America despite having GDP around 25% higher then other western countries still has lower living stadnards its apparent we have shitty living standards..

You have no idea what "shitty" living standards are you spoiled little *****.

Yep and you have no idea how to think...

So when you are you moving to Estonia you stupid ass little biaaatch?

 

[High_Gravity]

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

HAHAHAHA yeah, thats why they flock to the US to become cab drivers.

They don't flock to the US as usually when you're proven to be ignorant and wrong you response is to make more shit up and say even stupider things
. I repeat "Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system."

Come back when your repsone is something other then "LOL HAHA you ***** blah blkah" but given you dont have the mental ability to say anything other then that just never come back...

HAHAHAHAHA go to Baltimore and New York and see how many Estonians are driving cabs you fuckin dumb bastard. Its fun slapping the taste out of your mouth.

 

[Big Fitz]

U.S. Only 25th Best Place To Raise Family | Lez Get Real


Posted by: Linda Carbonell on May 9, 2012.

We’re #1! We’re #1! Favorite chant of the right wing, right? In their minds, the United States of America isn’t just Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill, it is top of heap in every imaginable way in this world. That would be wonderful, if it were true. The idea that the United States is the best at everything is a myth perpetrated upon the faithful to keep them from questioning why we aren’t the best.

The United States ranks #1 in health care costs, but 37th in health care delivery. We rank 22nd in science education, 27th in math and 33rd in reading. We rank 17th for taxation as a percentage of GDP (which kind of puts the lie to us being #1 in taxation). Our personal income tax rate is ranked 22nd in the world, but our corporate tax rate is ranked 2nd. That does not reflect what our corporations actually pay, just what our rate is.

The latest blow to myth of being #1 is the Save the Children State of the World’s Mothers Report. The United States is ranked 25th best place in the world to raise a family. The rankings are based on parental leave policies, preschool enrollment rates, breast feeding support, teen pregnancy rates, female education rates, maternal death rates, infant mortality rates, support systems for parents including safety nets like welfare and food subsidies, the whole panoply of ways that a nation or culture supports women and families.

Twenty-fifth, huh?

Who beat us on this critical listing of the manner in which nations care for their mothers and children? Norway, Iceland, Sweden, New Zealand, Denmark, Finland, Australia, Belgium, Ireland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Germany, Slovenia, France, Portugal, Spain, Estonia, Switzerland, Canada, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Lithuania, and Belarus. The top thirty were finished off by the Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Croatia, and Japan.

The list is broken into three sections: most developed nations, less developed nations and least developed nations. The countries in the “most developed nations” list comprise the top 43 ranked nations on all criteria and are almost entirely European and first-level British Empire nations, plus Japan. The middle designation is made up of 80 nations ranging in development from Israel to Zimbabwe. The bottom 42 are primarily African, marginal Asian nations like Cambodia, and war zones like Yemen and Afghanistan.

We can probably take solace from the fact that the United States rose from #31 in 2011 to #25 in 2012. Still, 25th? That’s one more way in which the United States has slipped over the past thirty years, since, oh, the shift in the Republican Party from the Northeast to the Deep South, since the rise of the conservative movement, since the beginning of the death slide of unions and the middle class…..

Please, allow me to encourage you and your entire family to emigrate to any one of those 'better nations' of your choice. No really. We'll throw you a party.

If I knew you were leaving I'd have baked a cake...

 

[whitehall]

The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.

Actually more Americans go to other countries for health care then foregins come to America for health care

Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

So perhaps do research before you spout nonsense and ignroance.

Experimental drugs and quack surgery might be a draw for a certain segment of society. Comedian Andy Kaufman went to a foreign country for cancer treatment and found out it was a scam.

 

[whitehall]

How many times do you see phonies pretending to be Americans and left wing hypocrite Americans dig up some statistic and go on a rant about how badly the US ranks in some UN program? We are the freaking UN. The bar scene from star wars would be nothing but a rabble begging for handouts if it wasn't for the greatest Country on the globe. We feed the children of the world with a hundred programs public and private. Canadians are clogging the US clinics in border states and we take care of an estimated ten million illegal immigrants in US hospitals. Medical tourism is trendy but risky so go ahead and get that hip replaced in a Taiwan hospital and limp home and tell us how you made out.

 

[Big Fitz]

The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.

Actually more Americans go to other countries for health care then foregins come to America for health care

Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

So perhaps do research before you spout nonsense and ignroance.

Experimental drugs and quack surgery might be a draw for a certain segment of society. Comedian Andy Kaufman went to a foreign country for cancer treatment and found out it was a scam.

Shortly before he died he caught on. By then, too late.

 

[starcraftzzz]

How many times do you see phonies pretending to be Americans and left wing hypocrite Americans dig up some statistic and go on a rant about how badly the US ranks in some UN program? We are the freaking UN. The bar scene from star wars would be nothing but a rabble begging for handouts if it wasn't for the greatest Country on the globe. We feed the children of the world with a hundred programs public and private. Canadians are clogging the US clinics in border states and we take care of an estimated ten million illegal immigrants in US hospitals. Medical tourism is trendy but risky so go ahead and get that hip replaced in a Taiwan hospital and limp home and tell us how you made out.

I see so AMerica is the UN yet according to the UN America fails in many aspects of economic/social policy

 

[Cecilie1200]

Odball -

Better healthcare outcomes measured across the entire population, and balanced by per capita cost.

Finland, for instance, has vastly better health outcomes than the US, at a lower cost per citizen.

(Health outcomes might include lifespan, infant mortality, dearhs of preventable diseases per thousand inhabitants etc.)

Is that actually how the story and their "study" defined it, or is that how YOU define it and are projecting onto the story and the "study"? If you claim it was the story and the "study", please prove it.

By the way, dolt, lifespan and infant mortality have ****-all to do with health care, as we've been telling you rockheaded losers for the last umpteen years. But you never hear or see anything, no matter how much hard evidence you're drowned in to support it, that doesn't validate your worldview, do you? No, the only "science" fools like you will acknowledge is dipshit, unsubstantiated opinion pieces like this, and the faux "study" it's based on (which I doubt highly you even looked at. Why bother, when you could just read the opinion piece telling you that the "study" has declared you right and knowledgeable and morally superior, right?)

Come back when you can give me something other than mindless parrotings of ignorant guesses that were debunked years ago. If I want to hear some damned fool telling me that infant mortality in the western world is all about healthcare systems, I can just go back to the posts I trashed and laughed at scornfully way back then. Add something to the discussion.

 

[Cecilie1200]

If so many people want to move to the United States it can't really be that bad there.

Most of these kinds of rankings are pretty useless because they have the results already baked into the criteria they use.

I wouldn't have ever said that things in the US were "that bad". I would have no concerns about living in the US if I was offered a dream job, for instance.

But I do think it would be worth Americans questioning why some other countries consistently score higher in health and education.

It would certainly be worth YOU questioning it once in a while, instead of just blithely assuming it MUST be due to your own ignorant, unfounded prejudices and "feelings" about the world somehow bearing some resemblance to reality.

Not, you understand, that I actually expect you to start thinking and questioning, rather than just using your glands in place of your brains. None of your ilk ever has before, after all.

 

[Two Thumbs]

U.S. Only 25th Best Place To Raise Family | Lez Get Real


Posted by: Linda Carbonell on May 9, 2012.

We’re #1! We’re #1! Favorite chant of the right wing, right? In their minds, the United States of America isn’t just Ronald Reagan’s shining city on the hill, it is top of heap in every imaginable way in this world. That would be wonderful, if it were true. The idea that the United States is the best at everything is a myth perpetrated upon the faithful to keep them from questioning why we aren’t the best.

The United States ranks #1 in health care costs, but 37th in health care delivery. We rank 22nd in science education, 27th in math and 33rd in reading. We rank 17th for taxation as a percentage of GDP (which kind of puts the lie to us being #1 in taxation). Our personal income tax rate is ranked 22nd in the world, but our corporate tax rate is ranked 2nd. That does not reflect what our corporations actually pay, just what our rate is.

The latest blow to myth of being #1 is the Save the Children State of the World’s Mothers Report. The United States is ranked 25th best place in the world to raise a family. The rankings are based on parental leave policies, preschool enrollment rates, breast feeding support, teen pregnancy rates, female education rates, maternal death rates, infant mortality rates, support systems for parents including safety nets like welfare and food subsidies, the whole panoply of ways that a nation or culture supports women and families.

Twenty-fifth, huh?

Who beat us on this critical listing of the manner in which nations care for their mothers and children? Norway, Iceland, Sweden, New Zealand, Denmark, Finland, Australia, Belgium, Ireland, the Netherlands, the United Kingdom, Germany, Slovenia, France, Portugal, Spain, Estonia, Switzerland, Canada, Greece, Italy, Hungary, Lithuania, and Belarus. The top thirty were finished off by the Czech Republic, Austria, Poland, Croatia, and Japan.

The list is broken into three sections: most developed nations, less developed nations and least developed nations. The countries in the “most developed nations” list comprise the top 43 ranked nations on all criteria and are almost entirely European and first-level British Empire nations, plus Japan. The middle designation is made up of 80 nations ranging in development from Israel to Zimbabwe. The bottom 42 are primarily African, marginal Asian nations like Cambodia, and war zones like Yemen and Afghanistan.

We can probably take solace from the fact that the United States rose from #31 in 2011 to #25 in 2012. Still, 25th? That’s one more way in which the United States has slipped over the past thirty years, since, oh, the shift in the Republican Party from the Northeast to the Deep South, since the rise of the conservative movement, since the beginning of the death slide of unions and the middle class…..

no link?

I'm not shocked, b/c I've seen shit just like this.

the difference between first and 25th is .0001%

 

[Cecilie1200]

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/Shea_hltsysperformanceselectednations_chartpack.pdf
Core Health Indicators
http://assets.opencrs.com/rpts/RL34175_20070917.pdf
OECD Health Data 2011 - Frequently Requested Data
==Academic standards show America has worse healthcare then other countries.
USA compared to government health care. (all statistics are per capita).
Where America is worse.
1) America has 50% more Medical errors.
2) America is worst in preventable deaths. If America was like government health care 200,000 people would be saved a year.
3) America has 2 million more medical bankruptcies compared to 0.
4) America has 26% less doctors.
5) America has 4% less nurses.
6) America has 46% less hospital beds.
7) America saw half the life expectancy change than countries who changed to government health care.
8) Infant mortality rates are 17% higher in America.
9) America has 100% less Psychiatric care beds.
10) America has 20% less people who go to hospitals.
11) America has 26% more years of life lost due to medical reasons.
12) America has 40% more Respiratory deaths
13) US Tuberculosis treatment success is 10% less
14) 50% more infant deaths
15) 30% more asthma deaths
16) 40% more years lost due to medical conditions
17) 100% more diabetes deaths
15) 50% more deaths by children taken to a hospital for a medical reason

If you think the Americna healthcare system is good/efficent then you are ignorant

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

Really? Estonia has the same healthcare outcomes America does? And you don't question that AT ALL? You just say, "Hey, I have all these people saying so, it MUST be true, I certainly don't need to engage my brain and think about ESTONIA and the possibility that I'm being bullshitted."

You'll excuse me while I wait for someone with their brain plugged in and something other than long-since-debunked "studies" to come along, won't you? I consider arguing with the intellectually lazy and gullible to be casting pearls before swine.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.

Actually more Americans go to other countries for health care then foregins come to America for health care

Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

So perhaps do research before you spout nonsense and ignroance.

You cite a BLOG as a source, and you want to talk about OTHER people "doing research" and "spouting nonsense and ignroance [sic]" (love that spelling, by the way. Really proves that you have any room to criticize)?

Shut the **** up. The grown-ups are trying to talk here, and none of us have time to change your dirty nappies right now.

 

[starcraftzzz]

Yes and the medical care in Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus and the Ukraine is really so much better you ignorant stupid ass bastard.

Lets see Estonia spends 1/7th what America spends on health care, yet they have the same health outcomes as America anyone with an IQ above 50 (IE not you) would see that has having a better health care system.

Really? Estonia has the same healthcare outcomes America does? And you don't question that AT ALL? You just say, "Hey, I have all these people saying so, it MUST be true, I certainly don't need to engage my brain and think about ESTONIA and the possibility that I'm being bullshitted."

You'll excuse me while I wait for someone with their brain plugged in and something other than long-since-debunked "studies" to come along, won't you? I consider arguing with the intellectually lazy and gullible to be casting pearls before swine.

So according to you me trusting statistics and facts is me being bullshited while you trusting "how you feel" is you being intelligent. Perhaps the problem here is that you are a retard who does not contian the ability to have an intelligent thought therefor you think being moronic is actually being smart

 

[starcraftzzz]

The US is the #1 supporter of the UN and those ungrateful Star Wars bar scene slobs take every opportunity to trash the US. People are dying in the desert to get to the greatest Country in the world and every sick foreign SOB comes to the US for the greatest medical treatment in the world. Yeah, were still #1 even though the left wing media feeds negative stuff to fools who hate their own Country or bigger fools who pretend to be Americans and hate the USA.

Actually more Americans go to other countries for health care then foregins come to America for health care

Medical Tourism, separating facts from fiction | Angry Bear - Financial and Economic Commentary
^Americans that go to other countries to get heath care out number foreigners who come to America to get health care by 50%.

So perhaps do research before you spout nonsense and ignroance.

You cite a BLOG as a source, and you want to talk about OTHER people "doing research" and "spouting nonsense and ignroance [sic]" (love that spelling, by the way. Really proves that you have any room to criticize)?

Shut the **** up. The grown-ups are trying to talk here, and none of us have time to change your dirty nappies right now.

Yes I should shut the **** up for proving that you are ignorant and wrong
Come back when you able to react to being wrong with out getting pissed off and angry