Saudi beauty queen

[Mr.Fitnah]

More likely they would be muslims

The ummah was small and its members were familiar with each other - they would not be mistaken for slaves by other Muslims.

Slavery was prevalent long before the advent of Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) left it to exist even after his attaining prophethood. But Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) adopted many schemes to abolish it e.g. continuously encouraging the Sahabah (Radhiallaahu Anhu) to free the slaves and also laying down many conditions for possessing one.

And what is it that you find wrong with this?

I did , nothing needed to be added .You just don't understand what happened.

QFP
unbelievable.

 

[Kalam]

I did , nothing needed to be added .You just don't understand what happened.

You did not respond to my question. That's what happened.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

I did , nothing needed to be added .You just don't understand what happened.

You did not respond to my question. That's what happened.

You went on a rant after proving Islam supports slavery.Don't forget your place.

 

[Kalam]

I did , nothing needed to be added .You just don't understand what happened.

You did not respond to my question. That's what happened.

You went on a rant after proving Islam supports slavery.Don't forget your place.

"Proving Islam supports slavery?" I affirmed your scholar's point that Muhammad established conditions that would bring about the gradual abolition of slavery. Don't forget about your intellectual limitations.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

You did not respond to my question. That's what happened.

You went on a rant after proving Islam supports slavery.Don't forget your place.

"Proving Islam supports slavery?" I affirmed your scholar's point that Muhammad established conditions that would bring about the gradual abolition of slavery. Don't forget about your intellectual limitations.

Please cite some of your scholars on the prohibition of owning slaves according to the Quran.

 

[Kalam]

You went on a rant after proving Islam supports slavery.Don't forget your place.

"Proving Islam supports slavery?" I affirmed your scholar's point that Muhammad established conditions that would bring about the gradual abolition of slavery. Don't forget about your intellectual limitations.

Please cite some of your scholars on the prohibition of owning slaves according to the Quran.

Strawman.

 

[AllieBaba]

Translation: I have no evidence because I'm lying to attempt to mainstream my extremist beliefs in order to lure people into complacency before they get their hands and heads sawed off.

 

[Kalam]

Translation: I have no evidence because I'm lying to attempt to mainstream my extremist beliefs in order to lure people into complacency before they get their hands and heads sawed off.

I always knew you'd be the one to uncover our nefarious plot. Your perceptiveness and intellect have forced the Mujahideen of the Southeast US into a corner from which we cannot escape!

 

[AllieBaba]

Your nefarious plot was discovered long ago, when Muslims slaughtered their way across the middle east to Europe.

There's no mystery about it.

 

[Kalam]

Your nefarious plot was discovered long ago, when Muslims slaughtered their way across the middle east to Europe.

There's no mystery about it.

Oh, I know, Babble. I'm simply surprised that you were keen enough to able to see through all of my cleverly crafted lies and meticulously maintained false personae. Cognitive sharpness like yours is a rare gift - it's really no wonder that someone of your mental caliber is a literalist fundie as well. Always thinking critically and outside of the box, aren't we?

 

[AllieBaba]

"However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."

"This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam's influence overrode Allah's initial prohibitions against lying. A good example of sanctioned lying is the account of the assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Jewish tribe, Banu al-Nudair. It had been reported that Kaab had shown support for the Quraishites in their battle against Mohammed. This was compounded by another report that infuriated Mohammed. It was alleged that Kaab had recited amorous poetry to Muslim women. Mohammed asked for volunteers to rid him of Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf. As Mohammed put it, Kaab had "Harmed Allah and His Apostle." At that time Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf, and his tribe were strong, so it was not easy for a stranger to infiltrate and execute the task. A Muslim man by the name of Ibn Muslima, volunteered for the murderous project on the condition that Mohammed would allow him to lie. With Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went to Kaab and told him fabricated stories that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership. When he had gained Kaab's trust he lured him away from his house one night and murdered him in a remote area under the cover of darkness.

"It was rumored that Shaaban was gathering an army to wage war on Mohammed. Mohammed retaliated by ordering Abdullah Ibn Anis to kill Shaaban. Again, the would-be killer asked the prophet's permission to lie. Mohammed agreed and then ordered the killer to lie by stating that he was a member of the Khazaa clan."

These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts. "

"From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:

One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:

For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."

"The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him. "Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
Utter insincere oaths.
The implications of the principle of Al-Takeyya
Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.
Islam Review - Presented by The Pen vs. the Sword Featured Articles . . . Islam: the Facade, the Facts The rosy picture some Muslims are painting about their religion, and the truth they try to hide.

 

[AllieBaba]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uIOIG-mlE8]YouTube - Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists. From Islam to Christ ![/ame]

 

[Emma]

YouTube - Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists. From Islam to Christ !

Hmmm.

This would seem to present you with quite a dilemma, eh?

 

[Kalam]

"However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."

Mr. Tabbarah's writings are not holy scripture, nor are they authoritative sources of guidance for Muslims. Those distinctions are reserved for the Qur'an.

"This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed.

According to unverifiable oral traditions recorded in hadith collections which are, of course, meaningless.

These and similar passages from the Quran

Which?

It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts. "

According to which verse of the Qur'an?

"From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:

Another non-Qur'anic source that is of no use to you in an attempt to criticize Islam.

One passage from the Hadith

Unverifiable.

The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels

Where is "pretending" mentioned?

and display adherence with their unbelief

Where is this mentioned in that passage?

to prevent them from harming him. [/B]"Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
Utter insincere oaths.

According to which verses of the Qur'an?

The implications of the principle of Al-Takeyya

Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.

A patently false conclusion based on unsubstantiated allegations and a failure of an attempt at distorting the meaning of a Qur'anic verse. Thank you for playing.

 

[Kalam]

YouTube - Story of 3 former Islamic Terrorists. From Islam to Christ !

Hmmm.

This would seem to present you with quite a dilemma, eh?

Yeah, maybe they're lying! They could be secret Muslims waiting for an opportunity to break into Babble's house and go all "Islam" on her for valiantly exposing the truth about our religion.

 

[JW Frogen]

See what I can not understand is why does God always pick hicks in the most boondocks parts of the world for revelations, Moses, Jesus, Mohammed. All inbred country folk.
An efficient God would just go to the Roman, Chinese or American emperors and say sort this shit out.

 

[Bootneck]

"However, unlike most religions, within Islam there are certain provisions under which lying is not simply tolerated, but actually encouraged. The book "The spirit of Islam," by the Muslim scholar, Afif A. Tabbarah was written to promote Islam. On page 247, Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good."

"This point is proven by many incidences in the life of Mohammed. He often lied and instructed his followers to do the same. He rationalized that the prospect of success in missions to extend Islam's influence overrode Allah's initial prohibitions against lying. A good example of sanctioned lying is the account of the assassination of Kaab Ibn al-Ashrf, a member of the Jewish tribe, Banu al-Nudair. It had been reported that Kaab had shown support for the Quraishites in their battle against Mohammed. This was compounded by another report that infuriated Mohammed. It was alleged that Kaab had recited amorous poetry to Muslim women. Mohammed asked for volunteers to rid him of Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf. As Mohammed put it, Kaab had "Harmed Allah and His Apostle." At that time Kaab Ibn al-Ashraf, and his tribe were strong, so it was not easy for a stranger to infiltrate and execute the task. A Muslim man by the name of Ibn Muslima, volunteered for the murderous project on the condition that Mohammed would allow him to lie. With Mohammed's consent, Ibn Muslima, went to Kaab and told him fabricated stories that reflected discontent about Mohammed's leadership. When he had gained Kaab's trust he lured him away from his house one night and murdered him in a remote area under the cover of darkness.

"It was rumored that Shaaban was gathering an army to wage war on Mohammed. Mohammed retaliated by ordering Abdullah Ibn Anis to kill Shaaban. Again, the would-be killer asked the prophet's permission to lie. Mohammed agreed and then ordered the killer to lie by stating that he was a member of the Khazaa clan."

These and similar passages from the Quran clearly reveal that Muslims' unintentional lies are forgivable and that even their intentional lies can be absolved by performing extra duties. It is also clear that if forced to do so, Muslims can lie while under oath and can even falsely deny faith in Allah, as long as they maintain the profession of faith in their hearts. "

"From "Ehiaa Oloum al-Din," by the famous Islamic scholar al-Ghazali, Vol. 3: PP.284-287:

One of Mohammed's daughters, Umm Kalthoum, testified that she had never heard the Apostle of Allah condone lying, except in these three situations:

For reconciliation among people.
In war.
Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family.
One passage from the Hadith quotes Mohammed as saying: "The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies except those uttered to help bring reconciliation between Muslims."

"The sons of Adam are accountable for all lies with these exceptions: During war because war is deception, to reconcile among two quarreling men, and for a man to appease his wife."
The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts. Al-Takeyya is based on the following Quranic verse:

"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution (prevention), that ye may Guard yourselves from them (prevent them from harming you.) But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah." Surah 3: 28

According to this verse a Muslim can pretend to befriend infidels (in violation of the teachings of Islam) and display adherence with their unbelief to prevent them from harming him. "Under the concept of Takeyya and short of killing another human being, if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable:

Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan.
Renounce belief in Allah.
Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah.
Utter insincere oaths.
The implications of the principle of Al-Takeyya
Unfortunately, when dealing with Muslims, one must keep in mind that Muslims can communicate something with apparent sincerity, when in reality they may have just the opposite agenda in their hearts. Bluntly stated, Islam permits Muslims to lie anytime that they perceive that their own well-being, or that of Islam, is threatened.
Islam Review - Presented by The Pen vs. the Sword Featured Articles . . . Islam: the Facade, the Facts The rosy picture some Muslims are painting about their religion, and the truth they try to hide.

Clearly a philosophy that politicians from all our countries aspire to. You couldn't find a greater collection of liars, cheats, nest-featherers and snakes, than those who run our countries...and you're castigating muslims?

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

"Proving Islam supports slavery?" I affirmed your scholar's point that Muhammad established conditions that would bring about the gradual abolition of slavery. Don't forget about your intellectual limitations.

Please cite some of your scholars on the prohibition of owning slaves according to the Quran.

Strawman.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1384266-post124.html
No an obvious response to your statement.
Remember, Im not smart enough to understand what you are talking about so you need to be real clear.

 

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[bikercat]

dam, those are some sexy eyes! huba,huba!