Santorum out: PRess Sudeenly Nice to Him!

[Quantum Windbag]

Ah. So nothing on the issue, no specifics on the topic. Zero. Some Conservatives are just too weak and too easy. If it wasn't for the intelligent ones I know irl, I would think they were all ignorant whackjobs.

What issues? The press being "nice" to Santorum isn't an issue to anyone who isn't a partisan hack.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Ah. So nothing on the issue, no specifics on the topic. Zero. Some Conservatives are just too weak and too easy. If it wasn't for the intelligent ones I know irl, I would think they were all ignorant whackjobs.

What issues? The press being "nice" to Santorum isn't an issue to anyone who isn't a partisan hack.

Ah. Forgot who I was posting to. Yes of course. I could see where with your condition, being able to remember anything beyond the title and maybe one sentence, might be tough.
Several issues were discussed. Let me put them in little words so you at least have a chance to address them (not that you will).
1. Santorum bowing out is good for Romney. Santorum was distracting Romney from being on the message he should never have diverted from: The Economy.
2. After mirroring Santorum on issues such as birth control, gays etc... it is still going to be tough for Romney to win back women, Moderates and he really has zero chance with minorities.

I could go on but hell, it's not like you would directly address even two topics so why list more?

 

[ThinkCritically]

Its a relief to see Santorum out of the race. Not that he ever had a chance in hell at beating Obama. I like your predictions about Romney moving more towards the center (sense he already is a moderate), but he will need to do this very tactfully if he wants to have any chance otherwise the old geezers just won't show up for him on election day.

Neither Romney or Obama get my vote for the election though. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils.

 

[ThinkCritically]

1. Santorum bowing out is good for Romney. Santorum was distracting Romney from being on the message he should never have diverted from: The Economy.

The Economy is Romney's ONLY chance at stealing the election.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Ah. So nothing on the issue, no specifics on the topic. Zero. Some Conservatives are just too weak and too easy. If it wasn't for the intelligent ones I know irl, I would think they were all ignorant whackjobs.

What issues? The press being "nice" to Santorum isn't an issue to anyone who isn't a partisan hack.

Ah. Forgot who I was posting to. Yes of course. I could see where with your condition, being able to remember anything beyond the title and maybe one sentence, might be tough.
Several issues were discussed. Let me put them in little words so you at least have a chance to address them (not that you will).
1. Santorum bowing out is good for Romney. Santorum was distracting Romney from being on the message he should never have diverted from: The Economy.
2. After mirroring Santorum on issues such as birth control, gays etc... it is still going to be tough for Romney to win back women, Moderates and he really has zero chance with minorities.

I could go on but hell, it's not like you would directly address even two topics so why list more?

I see the problem, you do not know what issue means in the context of political discussion.

Santorum bowing out being good for Romney is not an issue, it is a statement of cause and affect.

Romney never once diverted from the economy, despite your lies that he did. He did answer specific questions about other things, and he will probably continue to do so, but he always goes back to the economy.

Romney did not mirror Santorum on birth control because birth control was never the issue, the issue is government encroachment on religious freedom. I can list plenty of Democrats/liberals/progressives and independents who understand that. Partisan hacks are trying to frame the issue as being about birth control in order to obfuscate the real issue. I actually addressed your claim about birth control by specifically asking when Santorum said it wasn't OK, and your only response was to claim that I was not addressing the issues, something you are still trying to claim.

Use really small words and explain to me how me asking about the "issues" is me not addressing the "issues." Then explain how you not answering my questions about the lies you are spreading about the issues proves I am the stupid one in this conversation.

 

[theunbubba]

So now that this whackjob has finally realized that married couples prefer not to churn out a dozen babies and so they won't vote for him, non-fundamentalist Christians are also allowed to vote and so on... FOX, CNN and even MSNBC are being nice to him! The gal on MSNBC commented on how he came from obscurity to a position where, for a least a while, he posed a real threat to Romney.


This is the best thing that can happen for Romney. He no longer has to chase Santorum off into the Far Right and away from the voters (like me) who determine elections. If Gingrich stays in and continues his Far Right appeal to the Conservative Base, Romney can actually use that to contrast himself - and gain ground with Moderates and Independents who don't notice he's said the opposite during the previous few months.



Obama has been gaining a lead over Romney during the last two months (he's gone from a .5% lead to a 5.3% lead on RCP Average of all polls). I'll bet this narrows the gap.


So now Romney can gently begin the transition to Mitt-Flop v.3.1 - and go back to The Center and away from that rather inconvenient Right Wing. After all, it's not like Right Wingers are going to vote for Obama under any circumstances, so screw 'em.

Birth Control will become okay again. He will go out of his way to praise women and make sure they know their rights will not be violated under his administration. if he's smart, he might even make someone like Susana Martinez his running mate! Gays, while not being worthy of marriage, will at least be considered human beings. Minorites will be um, well, hmmm. Dogs will be allowed to ride IN the car!


And so it will continue until he is closer to Mitt v.1.1 The Mildly Liberal Centrist. And all the Republicans and Conservatives (with the possible exception of Ron Paul supporters) will vote for him anyway.


As Americans have the memory of a flea, 2012 should be a very close race!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k80nW6AOhTs]Jane you Ignorant slut - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JoeB131]

YEAH--now maybe we can get off of birth control contraceptives and back to REAL issues!
Glad this 15th century nut-case has decided to go back into his cave.

Ummm... yeah. What real issues were those again? Mitt doesn't have enough mansions?

If he wants to build more houses and put more people to work, Im all in favor of him doing it.

I'd rather have them building houses for families that need a place to live...

You know, like Jesus would have wanted.

 

[JoeB131]

You can bet Obama's poll numbers will drop now. With Santorum out of this race--we will no longer be discussing his 15th century Roman Catholic beliefs--(birth control contraceptives)--and we're back to real issues--not what is in Rick Santorum's statements and beliefs. In fact, Romney has a real record of being a FISCAL CONSERVATIVE--but is moderate on social views--which makes the perfect candidate to attract women and independents.

Romney's problem was not Santorum.

Romney's problem is and remains Romney.

And if you think that the press and Obama won't stop needling Romney on birth control, abortion and women's rights, you're delusional. He's really stuck in a box right now. He can't tact to the left on it without alienating the conservatives who think he's a bad idea to start with.

Romney's numbers with women under 50 is 60-35 in Obama's favor. His figures amongst independents is 44 to 38 in swing states in Obama's favor.

And that's before the media really gets going on him.

You see, this is what always amuses me, you jokers who think that if the Media praises your guy, that's a good thing. It's like you have no institutional memory of how John McCain was the greatest guy in the world. Until he got the nomination.

And McCain was at least a war hero.

 

[IndependntLogic]

Its a relief to see Santorum out of the race. Not that he ever had a chance in hell at beating Obama. I like your predictions about Romney moving more towards the center (sense he already is a moderate), but he will need to do this very tactfully if he wants to have any chance otherwise the old geezers just won't show up for him on election day.

Neither Romney or Obama get my vote for the election though. I will never vote for the lesser of two evils.

1. Santorum bowing out is good for Romney. Santorum was distracting Romney from being on the message he should never have diverted from: The Economy.

The Economy is Romney's ONLY chance at stealing the election.

Thanks. Now that he has the nomination, he has to ever so slyly flip once again to get back the votes he lost in the process. It's going to be interesting to watch.

the economy really is the deal. Every time he commented on gays, birth control etc... it got ten times more airplay than anything he said about the economy because sensationalism is what FOX, CNN and MSNBC live for.
The GOP has to hope that things do not continue on even a mildly positive trend or he's in real trouble.

 

[amrchaos]

This is for those people that do not understand why conservatives are disgusted with moderates and 'some' independents.


Conservatives belive in their principles. They hold tight to those principles. Holding onto Strong Conservatie Principles is what makes an American a red blodded conservative. Capitalism and Freedom, God and Country, Beef and potatoes runs deep in the heart of an American conservative!

Moderates play hot potatoe with prinicples. After a period of time, a moderate say, "Hey, look--thats new" and toss that principle away! We sometimes dabble in socialism and corporatism, Science and foreign aid, vegetable platters and tofu. We moderates like a little change. sometimes we come back, but we tend to leave.

Keep that in mind

 

[Mr. Shaman]

another thread by another moron..

 

[IndependntLogic]

This is for those people that do not understand why conservatives are disgusted with moderates and 'some' independents.


Conservatives belive in their principles. They hold tight to those principles. Holding onto Strong Conservatie Principles is what makes an American a red blodded conservative. Capitalism and Freedom, God and Country, Beef and potatoes runs deep in the heart of an American conservative!

Moderates play hot potatoe with prinicples. After a period of time, a moderate say, "Hey, look--thats new" and toss that principle away! We sometimes dabble in socialism and corporatism, Science and foreign aid, vegetable platters and tofu. We moderates like a little change. sometimes we come back, but we tend to leave.

Keep that in mind

This is for the Independents who are disgusted with the blithering ignorance of whackjobs concerning Independents.
Independents have VERY strong opinions and values and these rarely change. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.
The difference between us and the whackjobs who have their every opinion spoon fed to them by Little Libertarian pamphlets, Dem websites or Repub websites, is that we think for ourselves instead of having others do it for us. Of course, there are many Dems, Repub etc... who do the same. they're easy to spot: They don't try to tell people and stereotype what "those other people are like" (meaning anyone who is not what they want them to be).
For example: I think unions have often abused their power and cost Americans jobs. This has been my opinion since the 80's. Notice how it hasn't changed? Notice how strongly I feel about it? Yeah that.
Glad I could help!

 

[PoliticalChic]

So now that this whackjob has finally realized that married couples prefer not to churn out a dozen babies and so they won't vote for him, non-fundamentalist Christians are also allowed to vote and so on... FOX, CNN and even MSNBC are being nice to him! The gal on MSNBC commented on how he came from obscurity to a position where, for a least a while, he posed a real threat to Romney.


This is the best thing that can happen for Romney. He no longer has to chase Santorum off into the Far Right and away from the voters (like me) who determine elections. If Gingrich stays in and continues his Far Right appeal to the Conservative Base, Romney can actually use that to contrast himself - and gain ground with Moderates and Independents who don't notice he's said the opposite during the previous few months.



Obama has been gaining a lead over Romney during the last two months (he's gone from a .5% lead to a 5.3% lead on RCP Average of all polls). I'll bet this narrows the gap.


So now Romney can gently begin the transition to Mitt-Flop v.3.1 - and go back to The Center and away from that rather inconvenient Right Wing. After all, it's not like Right Wingers are going to vote for Obama under any circumstances, so screw 'em.

Birth Control will become okay again. He will go out of his way to praise women and make sure they know their rights will not be violated under his administration. if he's smart, he might even make someone like Susana Martinez his running mate! Gays, while not being worthy of marriage, will at least be considered human beings. Minorites will be um, well, hmmm. Dogs will be allowed to ride IN the car!


And so it will continue until he is closer to Mitt v.1.1 The Mildly Liberal Centrist. And all the Republicans and Conservatives (with the possible exception of Ron Paul supporters) will vote for him anyway.


As Americans have the memory of a flea, 2012 should be a very close race!

Romney will surely get a bump after the RNC rally..but I can't see it lasting. The Republicans have alienated almost every group imaginable..with the exception of White Evangelical Voters. Even people that can't stand Obama in no way want to go back to Bush's policies. And Romney is picking over Bush's leftovers for his "cabinet".

"[Obama has given up] All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic."
The Future of the Obama Coalition - NYTimes.com

 

[Ravage]

Who cares. He can go back to being irrelevant again.

 

[ThinkCritically]

This is for those people that do not understand why conservatives are disgusted with moderates and 'some' independents.


Conservatives belive in their principles. They hold tight to those principles. Holding onto Strong Conservatie Principles is what makes an American a red blodded conservative. Capitalism and Freedom, God and Country, Beef and potatoes runs deep in the heart of an American conservative!

Moderates play hot potatoe with prinicples. After a period of time, a moderate say, "Hey, look--thats new" and toss that principle away! We sometimes dabble in socialism and corporatism, Science and foreign aid, vegetable platters and tofu. We moderates like a little change. sometimes we come back, but we tend to leave.

Keep that in mind

This is for the Independents who are disgusted with the blithering ignorance of whackjobs concerning Independents.
Independents have VERY strong opinions and values and these rarely change. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.
The difference between us and the whackjobs who have their every opinion spoon fed to them by Little Libertarian pamphlets, Dem websites or Repub websites, is that we think for ourselves instead of having others do it for us. Of course, there are many Dems, Repub etc... who do the same. they're easy to spot: They don't try to tell people and stereotype what "those other people are like" (meaning anyone who is not what they want them to be).
For example: I think unions have often abused their power and cost Americans jobs. This has been my opinion since the 80's. Notice how it hasn't changed? Notice how strongly I feel about it? Yeah that.
Glad I could help!

Well said, You both distinguish the two different types of independents.

1. Those who have no foundation and just vote based upon the weather that day and,
2. Those who refuse to follow party mantra lockstep.

Both independents....but very different indeed.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is for those people that do not understand why conservatives are disgusted with moderates and 'some' independents.


Conservatives belive in their principles. They hold tight to those principles. Holding onto Strong Conservatie Principles is what makes an American a red blodded conservative. Capitalism and Freedom, God and Country, Beef and potatoes runs deep in the heart of an American conservative!

Moderates play hot potatoe with prinicples. After a period of time, a moderate say, "Hey, look--thats new" and toss that principle away! We sometimes dabble in socialism and corporatism, Science and foreign aid, vegetable platters and tofu. We moderates like a little change. sometimes we come back, but we tend to leave.

Keep that in mind

This is for the Independents who are disgusted with the blithering ignorance of whackjobs concerning Independents.
Independents have VERY strong opinions and values and these rarely change. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.
The difference between us and the whackjobs who have their every opinion spoon fed to them by Little Libertarian pamphlets, Dem websites or Repub websites, is that we think for ourselves instead of having others do it for us. Of course, there are many Dems, Repub etc... who do the same. they're easy to spot: They don't try to tell people and stereotype what "those other people are like" (meaning anyone who is not what they want them to be).
For example: I think unions have often abused their power and cost Americans jobs. This has been my opinion since the 80's. Notice how it hasn't changed? Notice how strongly I feel about it? Yeah that.
Glad I could help!

Well said, You both distinguish the two different types of independents.

1. Those who have no foundation and just vote based upon the weather that day and,
2. Those who refuse to follow party mantra lockstep.

Both independents....but very different indeed.

Why do people call themselves the opposite of what they actually are?

 

[Sarah G]

I doubt they're that nice to him, he's pretty annoying. On the other hand, they can certainly become indifferent. Once you're out, nobody cares what you have to say.

Unless you're Hillary..

 

[IndependntLogic]

This is for those people that do not understand why conservatives are disgusted with moderates and 'some' independents.


Conservatives belive in their principles. They hold tight to those principles. Holding onto Strong Conservatie Principles is what makes an American a red blodded conservative. Capitalism and Freedom, God and Country, Beef and potatoes runs deep in the heart of an American conservative!

Moderates play hot potatoe with prinicples. After a period of time, a moderate say, "Hey, look--thats new" and toss that principle away! We sometimes dabble in socialism and corporatism, Science and foreign aid, vegetable platters and tofu. We moderates like a little change. sometimes we come back, but we tend to leave.

Keep that in mind

This is for the Independents who are disgusted with the blithering ignorance of whackjobs concerning Independents.
Independents have VERY strong opinions and values and these rarely change. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.
The difference between us and the whackjobs who have their every opinion spoon fed to them by Little Libertarian pamphlets, Dem websites or Repub websites, is that we think for ourselves instead of having others do it for us. Of course, there are many Dems, Repub etc... who do the same. they're easy to spot: They don't try to tell people and stereotype what "those other people are like" (meaning anyone who is not what they want them to be).
For example: I think unions have often abused their power and cost Americans jobs. This has been my opinion since the 80's. Notice how it hasn't changed? Notice how strongly I feel about it? Yeah that.
Glad I could help!

Well said, You both distinguish the two different types of independents.

1. Those who have no foundation and just vote based upon the weather that day and,
2. Those who refuse to follow party mantra lockstep.

Both independents....but very different indeed.

True. There is also a thrid group: Moderates. They are often wrongly viewed as Independents when they tend to vote one way most of the time. The big difference between them and Independents is that they don't see a need for major or radical changes. They're pretty happy with things the way they are.
My cousin is one. He lives in Nebraska City, NE. Talk about the middle of nowhere! Does gay marriage affect him? Of course not. He just doesn't really care. Birth control? Affirmative Action? Big Oil Subsidies? Gun Laws?
He would like to see some changes but is just not as riled up as those on the extremes.


Thank you. You have inspired me to seek only conversations worth having! Thus I have added the negative whackjob types to this marvelous thing called an "ignore list" and I can see it has already come in useful!!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This is for the Independents who are disgusted with the blithering ignorance of whackjobs concerning Independents.
Independents have VERY strong opinions and values and these rarely change. Only an idiot thinks otherwise.
The difference between us and the whackjobs who have their every opinion spoon fed to them by Little Libertarian pamphlets, Dem websites or Repub websites, is that we think for ourselves instead of having others do it for us. Of course, there are many Dems, Repub etc... who do the same. they're easy to spot: They don't try to tell people and stereotype what "those other people are like" (meaning anyone who is not what they want them to be).
For example: I think unions have often abused their power and cost Americans jobs. This has been my opinion since the 80's. Notice how it hasn't changed? Notice how strongly I feel about it? Yeah that.
Glad I could help!

Well said, You both distinguish the two different types of independents.

1. Those who have no foundation and just vote based upon the weather that day and,
2. Those who refuse to follow party mantra lockstep.

Both independents....but very different indeed.

True. There is also a thrid group: Moderates. They are often wrongly viewed as Independents when they tend to vote one way most of the time. The big difference between them and Independents is that they don't see a need for major or radical changes. They're pretty happy with things the way they are.
My cousin is one. He lives in Nebraska City, NE. Talk about the middle of nowhere! Does gay marriage affect him? Of course not. He just doesn't really care. Birth control? Affirmative Action? Big Oil Subsidies? Gun Laws?
He would like to see some changes but is just not as riled up as those on the extremes.


Thank you. You have inspired me to seek only conversations worth having! Thus I have added the negative whackjob types to this marvelous thing called an "ignore list" and I can see it has already come in useful!!

Have you come up with an explanation of how me asking you about your issues, and you pretending I didn't actually ask you about them, proves that I am not asking about the issues?