San Fran City sues Trumper admin over sanctuary cities

[EverCurious]

Some journalist asked our Mayor a question that essentially painted Anchorage as a "sanctuary city" Dude was pissing himself, "No, no, NO! Anchorage is /not/ a 'Sanctuary city' - that's a made up term!" I lol'ed.

Had me there for a minute.

Then I realized that you had just omitted the "Los" part of "Los Anchorage".

And yet... people wonder why Eagle River, Chugiak, Birchwood, Peter's Creek, Mirror Lake, Thunderbird Falls, and even Eklutna want to succeed from Anchorage (oops forgot Bear Valley / 'comma' Rabbit Creek to the South)

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Section 1324 if title 8 of the US code says it's a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here and the mayors of all these sanctuary cities are clearly doing that. Trump needs to makes some arrests and all this nonsense will stop.

 

[whitehall]

I don't know how much federal aid that California based Universities get but Trump should double down and cut off federal aid to Berkley until they get control over the students.

 

[Flopper]

It takes a special kind of stupid to sue in order to avoid the law.

Exactly how is San Francisco breaking the law?
The 1996 law does not require entities to collect citizenship status and the U.S Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit indicated that "Congress cannot directly compel states to collect and share information regarding immigration status with federal immigration authorities.

The bottom line is that state and local law enforcement can not be compelled to enforce federal law. The Volstead Act which became an amendment to the constitution made it illegal to sell alcoholic beverages in the US. However, without the states passing an act making it illegal, the states could not enforce the act. The same holds true for immigration.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't know how much federal aid that California based Universities get but Trump should double down and cut off federal aid to Berkley until they get control over the students.

And he should also cut highway funds until they get rid of Motor Voting.

 

[EverCurious]

I don't know how much federal aid that California based Universities get but Trump should double down and cut off federal aid to Berkley until they get control over the students.

I don't particularly agree with this, I don't think the students were to blame honestly, I think it's foreign groups.

That said, I do think some pressure to actually /stop/ this violence on campus needs to be applied, they cannot sit there and say "guns on school grounds are dangerous" ~wrings hands~ Then stand back and allow violence, be it from students or outside forces, to run rampant over the campus...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

City Of San Francisco Sues Trump Administration | Hoodline

The strategy, I think, is to drag this out and protect immigrants until Trump is impeached, leaves office, or dies normally, which ever comes first.

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Where is it written that states or cities are obligated to get federal money for anything?

Yes, the lower activist courts may tie it up briefly, but once it hits the big time, the city will waste money that they don't have. And how many times have Democrats forced states into compliance for crap like the environment by withholding federal money?

Now Cali is considering calling themselves a sanctuary state. Okay, where are they going to makeup the 330 billion they get from the feds every year?

This will be like watching a prisoner in jail going on a hunger strike.

we pay more in taxes than we get back. it is red States that are the welfare queens.

States don't get welfare. People in states get welfare.

 

[Flopper]

Section 1324 if title 8 of the US code says it's a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here and the mayors of all these sanctuary cities are clearly doing that. Trump needs to makes some arrests and all this nonsense will stop.

The courts have interpreted encourage to mean offer of a job, counseling an illegal immigrant to remain in the country, offer of assistance to evade authorities, etc. If the mayor is guilty then so is anyone who advocates against deportation or amnesty.

 

[Rambunctious]

last time I went to San Fransiko I couldn't believe the filth and the smell. What a shame.

 

[OKTexas]

Section 1324 if title 8 of the US code says it's a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here and the mayors of all these sanctuary cities are clearly doing that. Trump needs to makes some arrests and all this nonsense will stop.

The courts have interpreted encourage to mean offer of a job, counseling an illegal immigrant to remain in the country, offer of assistance to evade authorities, etc. If the mayor is guilty then so is anyone who advocates against deportation or amnesty.

The cities by not providing information required by law to ICE are providing assistance in evading authorities. Now they have actually allocated a defense fund to help them do so.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Section 1324 if title 8 of the US code says it's a federal felony to encourage illegals to live here and the mayors of all these sanctuary cities are clearly doing that. Trump needs to makes some arrests and all this nonsense will stop.

The courts have interpreted encourage to mean offer of a job, counseling an illegal immigrant to remain in the country, offer of assistance to evade authorities, etc. If the mayor is guilty then so is anyone who advocates against deportation or amnesty.

So do they give them drivers licenses or not? Do they have Motor Voting in CA or not?

I think that's pretty encouraging.

 

[BrokeLoser]

City Of San Francisco Sues Trump Administration | Hoodline

The strategy, I think, is to drag this out and protect immigrants until Trump is impeached, leaves office, or dies normally, which ever comes first.

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Where is it written that states or cities are obligated to get federal money for anything?

Yes, the lower activist courts may tie it up briefly, but once it hits the big time, the city will waste money that they don't have. And how many times have Democrats forced states into compliance for crap like the environment by withholding federal money?

Now Cali is considering calling themselves a sanctuary state. Okay, where are they going to makeup the 330 billion they get from the feds every year?

This will be like watching a prisoner in jail going on a hunger strike.

we pay more in taxes than we get back. it is red States that are the welfare queens.

Oh geez, more of the same from the desperate and confused Liberals.
California - 12% of the nations population, 33% of the nations welfare recipients - FACT
By the way Hawaii and New York are fighting CA for that number one spot....are they blue or red states? hahaha
Here you go:
It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal 'Welfare' from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.
California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?
"There has been much discussion about immigrants in the United States from everywhere around the world. Yet, why is it that California seems to attract the most immigrants of any state? Indeed, while the state is only 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of welfare residents. According to a report published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) on January 26, 2015, there is a correlation between generous welfare benefits and an increase in immigration.

In total, California outspends every other state in public welfare spending – in 2014, it spent $22.4 billion. In contrast, the next closest state, New York, spent $11.9 billion. That being said, does this make California a magnet for immigrants? Not necessarily. It is more of an anchor – a reason why residents stay for long periods of time in the state. However, to deny that there is no magnet would be incorrect. According to George J. Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School and the author of the aforementioned report, the reason as to why people decide to relocate is due to “income-maximizing behavior.” Immigrants have already accepted that there are certain fixed costs that are inevitable because of migration, so it is natural that they will flock towards the places with the highest benefits. Empirical evidence suggests that it is because of these differences that there are an increasingly disproportionate number of immigrants among states. While there is the possibility of alternative explanations for this phenomenon, the conclusion that Borjas draws using the wealth-maximization hypothesis is one such testable method.

However, upon closer examination, on a per-capita basis, California’s seemingly generous benefits pale in data comparison to other states. For example, it spends approximately $179 for every resident, behind $233 in Hawaii and $256 in New York. Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

 

[saveliberty]

It takes a special kind of stupid to sue in order to avoid the law.

What law? We have a federal government to enforce federal law.

Remember the term special kind if stupid? You're wearing it.

The city is suing to not follow the law. It is an omission of guilt from the beginning.

 

[peabody]

City Of San Francisco Sues Trump Administration | Hoodline

The strategy, I think, is to drag this out and protect immigrants until Trump is impeached, leaves office, or dies normally, which ever comes first.

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Where is it written that states or cities are obligated to get federal money for anything?

Yes, the lower activist courts may tie it up briefly, but once it hits the big time, the city will waste money that they don't have. And how many times have Democrats forced states into compliance for crap like the environment by withholding federal money?

Now Cali is considering calling themselves a sanctuary state. Okay, where are they going to makeup the 330 billion they get from the feds every year?

This will be like watching a prisoner in jail going on a hunger strike.

we pay more in taxes than we get back. it is red States that are the welfare queens.

Oh geez, more of the same from the desperate and confused Liberals.
California - 12% of the nations population, 33% of the nations welfare recipients - FACT
By the way Hawaii and New York are fighting CA for that number one spot....are they blue or red states? hahaha
Here you go:
It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal 'Welfare' from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.
California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?
"There has been much discussion about immigrants in the United States from everywhere around the world. Yet, why is it that California seems to attract the most immigrants of any state? Indeed, while the state is only 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of welfare residents. According to a report published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) on January 26, 2015, there is a correlation between generous welfare benefits and an increase in immigration.

In total, California outspends every other state in public welfare spending – in 2014, it spent $22.4 billion. In contrast, the next closest state, New York, spent $11.9 billion. That being said, does this make California a magnet for immigrants? Not necessarily. It is more of an anchor – a reason why residents stay for long periods of time in the state. However, to deny that there is no magnet would be incorrect. According to George J. Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School and the author of the aforementioned report, the reason as to why people decide to relocate is due to “income-maximizing behavior.” Immigrants have already accepted that there are certain fixed costs that are inevitable because of migration, so it is natural that they will flock towards the places with the highest benefits. Empirical evidence suggests that it is because of these differences that there are an increasingly disproportionate number of immigrants among states. While there is the possibility of alternative explanations for this phenomenon, the conclusion that Borjas draws using the wealth-maximization hypothesis is one such testable method.

However, upon closer examination, on a per-capita basis, California’s seemingly generous benefits pale in data comparison to other states. For example, it spends approximately $179 for every resident, behind $233 in Hawaii and $256 in New York. Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

Yeah but California's welfare recipients are mostly Trump supporters.

 

[BrokeLoser]

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Where is it written that states or cities are obligated to get federal money for anything?

Yes, the lower activist courts may tie it up briefly, but once it hits the big time, the city will waste money that they don't have. And how many times have Democrats forced states into compliance for crap like the environment by withholding federal money?

Now Cali is considering calling themselves a sanctuary state. Okay, where are they going to makeup the 330 billion they get from the feds every year?

This will be like watching a prisoner in jail going on a hunger strike.

we pay more in taxes than we get back. it is red States that are the welfare queens.

Oh geez, more of the same from the desperate and confused Liberals.
California - 12% of the nations population, 33% of the nations welfare recipients - FACT
By the way Hawaii and New York are fighting CA for that number one spot....are they blue or red states? hahaha
Here you go:
It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal 'Welfare' from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.
California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?
"There has been much discussion about immigrants in the United States from everywhere around the world. Yet, why is it that California seems to attract the most immigrants of any state? Indeed, while the state is only 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of welfare residents. According to a report published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) on January 26, 2015, there is a correlation between generous welfare benefits and an increase in immigration.

In total, California outspends every other state in public welfare spending – in 2014, it spent $22.4 billion. In contrast, the next closest state, New York, spent $11.9 billion. That being said, does this make California a magnet for immigrants? Not necessarily. It is more of an anchor – a reason why residents stay for long periods of time in the state. However, to deny that there is no magnet would be incorrect. According to George J. Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School and the author of the aforementioned report, the reason as to why people decide to relocate is due to “income-maximizing behavior.” Immigrants have already accepted that there are certain fixed costs that are inevitable because of migration, so it is natural that they will flock towards the places with the highest benefits. Empirical evidence suggests that it is because of these differences that there are an increasingly disproportionate number of immigrants among states. While there is the possibility of alternative explanations for this phenomenon, the conclusion that Borjas draws using the wealth-maximization hypothesis is one such testable method.

However, upon closer examination, on a per-capita basis, California’s seemingly generous benefits pale in data comparison to other states. For example, it spends approximately $179 for every resident, behind $233 in Hawaii and $256 in New York. Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

Yeah but California's welfare recipients are mostly Trump supporters.

Haha...even a desperate, twisted and confused Liberal knows better.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

City Of San Francisco Sues Trump Administration | Hoodline

The strategy, I think, is to drag this out and protect immigrants until Trump is impeached, leaves office, or dies normally, which ever comes first.

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

That is the whole point; we don't believe our current president is faithfully executing our federal Constitution.

Or, any of the civil rights acts.

how is President Trump not executing the federal constitution, and exactly what is the basis of your complaint for his not following any of the civil rights acts.

 

[danielpalos]

City Of San Francisco Sues Trump Administration | Hoodline

The strategy, I think, is to drag this out and protect immigrants until Trump is impeached, leaves office, or dies normally, which ever comes first.

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

That is the whole point; we don't believe our current president is faithfully executing our federal Constitution.

Or, any of the civil rights acts.

Cities have no constitutional right to grants from the feds, in my opinion grants are unconstitutional on their face, kicking back federal monies to States to buy votes just ain't right.

The general government is obligated to Pay the Debts, of the several, United States, especially when establishing federal standards.

Feel free to point where the Constitution says that.

Just reading comprehension challenged?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

 

[danielpalos]

The "Law" in Nazi Germany said it's OK to gas Jews. It takes a special kid of stupid to blindly abide by all laws without ever asking questions. This is another reason why Libs are always calling you guys fascists. You have those tendencies

Wrong again, peabrain. German citizens knew little or nothing about the "final solution". They believed the Jews were being sent to work camps for the war effort. Only those near the worst camps, Auschwitz-Birkenau and Treblinka had a clue what was going on from the smell of those camps.

How did that actually get accomplished, without any, "executive orders"?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

SF will get their little fagot asses kicked on this one. Federal law requires, as a condition to receiving grants, that the recipient be in compliance with federal laws. If they aren't in compliance they are not eligible for the grants to begin with. Just because other administrations haven't enforced that law, doesn't prevent Trump form doing so.

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Where is it written that states or cities are obligated to get federal money for anything?

Yes, the lower activist courts may tie it up briefly, but once it hits the big time, the city will waste money that they don't have. And how many times have Democrats forced states into compliance for crap like the environment by withholding federal money?

Now Cali is considering calling themselves a sanctuary state. Okay, where are they going to makeup the 330 billion they get from the feds every year?

This will be like watching a prisoner in jail going on a hunger strike.

we pay more in taxes than we get back. it is red States that are the welfare queens.

Oh geez, more of the same from the desperate and confused Liberals.
California - 12% of the nations population, 33% of the nations welfare recipients - FACT
By the way Hawaii and New York are fighting CA for that number one spot....are they blue or red states? hahaha
Here you go:
It Looks Like Red States Take Most in Federal 'Welfare' from this Map. But Looks Can Be Deceiving.
California’s Welfare Benefits: Boom or Bust?
"There has been much discussion about immigrants in the United States from everywhere around the world. Yet, why is it that California seems to attract the most immigrants of any state? Indeed, while the state is only 12% of the nation’s population, it is home to 33% of welfare residents. According to a report published by the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) on January 26, 2015, there is a correlation between generous welfare benefits and an increase in immigration.

In total, California outspends every other state in public welfare spending – in 2014, it spent $22.4 billion. In contrast, the next closest state, New York, spent $11.9 billion. That being said, does this make California a magnet for immigrants? Not necessarily. It is more of an anchor – a reason why residents stay for long periods of time in the state. However, to deny that there is no magnet would be incorrect. According to George J. Borjas, the Robert W. Scrivner Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Harvard Kennedy School and the author of the aforementioned report, the reason as to why people decide to relocate is due to “income-maximizing behavior.” Immigrants have already accepted that there are certain fixed costs that are inevitable because of migration, so it is natural that they will flock towards the places with the highest benefits. Empirical evidence suggests that it is because of these differences that there are an increasingly disproportionate number of immigrants among states. While there is the possibility of alternative explanations for this phenomenon, the conclusion that Borjas draws using the wealth-maximization hypothesis is one such testable method.

However, upon closer examination, on a per-capita basis, California’s seemingly generous benefits pale in data comparison to other states. For example, it spends approximately $179 for every resident, behind $233 in Hawaii and $256 in New York. Furthermore, approximately 8.9% of California residents live in poverty, the highest of any state. Despite this, the number of people immigrating to California increases exponentially each year."

Yeah but California's welfare recipients are mostly Trump supporters.

 

[danielpalos]

Nope, the courts will tie up the eligibility, leaving the status quo the way it was. Trump is not going to do anything about this as long as he is in office.

Your're right his DHS and DOJ will. The laws are already on the books, the supreme court said providing information to the feds is NOT commandeering, and if you really want to get technical, SF has no standing to file the suit because as of today there have been no reductions in funding.

just national socialist right wing hearsay and soothsay? it is about the executive order.

What!?

just clueless and Causeless? how do you believe it was being implemented.

Let me splain it to ya pothead. I'll type real slow so you might be able to wrap the 3 brain cells you have left around it.

Federal agencies have to certify an entity receiving a federal grant is in compliance with all laws related to the grant. Federal law also requires State law enforcement department to inform ICE if they arrest an illegal alien, if they don't then they are NOT in compliance with federal law and are not eligible for law enforcement related grants. It's just that simple.

coming from someone who usually has fallacy instead of a valid argument, while not doing drugs, is pretty funny.

WE have a Constitution. Congress is Only delegated their authority.