Russia will want revenge after losing the war, this may happen in 10 years – Ukraine's Defence Intellige

[Deadstick]

You never quite tell the truth and that is because if you told the truth, it would be impossible to defend Russia. Bandera was in a German prison for nearly the entire German occupation of Ukraine, and while some members of OUN did assist the Nazis in the Holocaust, there is no link between these people and the leadership of OUN.

Of course there is a link you clown, it's like saying there is no link between the head of the KKK and some small town lynching in Alabama, give it up and stop supporting Nazis.

 

[Deadstick]

Again, the people of eastern Europe were so desperate to escape Russian tyranny, they saw the Germans as liberators. To those people, Russia was seen as far worse than Germany, just as today neo nazis who fight for their country are far preferable to the Russian invaders who are trying to destroy it.

Well they made a wrong call, as soon as the Nazis occupied Kiev they along with the Ukrainian fascists started murdering jews, thirty thousand were murdered at Babi Yar by the Einsazgruppen and their local Ukrainian helpers, now the Sons and Grandsons of those killers have crawled out of the swamp again, stop excusing the bastards, and i have not even started on the Ukrainian death camp guards in Treblinka and Sobibor.

 

[Deadstick]

Again, you just can't bring yourself to tell the truth. When Stalin signed the pact with Hitler, British and French representatives were in Moscow urging him to sign a mutual defense treaty with them. Had Stalin signed that pact with the Britisn and French, there might never have been WWII.

Wrong again,stop trying to rewrite History, Chamberlain already sold Czechslovakia down the river.

Stalin’s attempt to create an alliance against Hitler​

For historical reasons it may be important to recognize that the Soviet autocrat, Joseph Stalin, made firm overtures to Britain and France in the 18 months prior to the start of World War II.

Less than a week after Hitler’s forcible annexation of Austria, which disturbed the Kremlin but had the acquiescence of the West, on 18 March 1938 Stalin proposed that Britain and France join the USSR in a conference to enforce collective security.


This offer, a potential forerunner to a Franco-British-Russo alliance aimed at Hitler, was rejected. Chamberlain wanted to push on with his appeasement strategy, while France was lurching from one political crisis to another.

Six months later on 30 September 1938, the Russians were notably scorned when they received no invitation to attend the Munich Conference; through which the Anglo-French governments

 

[toomuchtime_]

Well they made a wrong call, as soon as the Nazis occupied Kiev they along with the Ukrainian fascists started murdering jews, thirty thousand were murdered at Babi Yar by the Einsazgruppen and their local Ukrainian helpers, now the Sons and Grandsons of those killers have crawled out of the swamp again, stop excusing the bastards, and i have not even started on the Ukrainian death camp guards in Treblinka and Sobibor.

So according to you Russia wants to kill the grandchildren of Ukrainians who may or may not have participated in these atrocities but is perfectly indifferent to the neo nazis in its own military. With every post you demonstrate why the former soviet states felt they had to join NATO for protection against Russia.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Wrong again,stop trying to rewrite History, Chamberlain already sold Czechslovakia down the river.

Stalin’s attempt to create an alliance against Hitler​

For historical reasons it may be important to recognize that the Soviet autocrat, Joseph Stalin, made firm overtures to Britain and France in the 18 months prior to the start of World War II.

Less than a week after Hitler’s forcible annexation of Austria, which disturbed the Kremlin but had the acquiescence of the West, on 18 March 1938 Stalin proposed that Britain and France join the USSR in a conference to enforce collective security.


This offer, a potential forerunner to a Franco-British-Russo alliance aimed at Hitler, was rejected. Chamberlain wanted to push on with his appeasement strategy, while France was lurching from one political crisis to another.

Six months later on 30 September 1938, the Russians were notably scorned when they received no invitation to attend the Munich Conference; through which the Anglo-French governments

The fact is that when Stalin signed his pact with Hitler that allowed Russia to carve out Russia colonies in eastern Europe, British and French diplomats were in Moscow negotiating in good faith to form an alliance to stop Hitler. The sticking point was that Stalin demanded that the Red Army be allowed to "cross" Poland and Romania, ostensibly to fight the Germans, but then as now no one trusted the Russians and the Poles and Romanians were reluctant, so Stalin signed the pact with Hitler that would allow him to occupy at least part of Poland and clearly he intended to go further.

And when the Germans withdrew, Stalin immediately started to colonize eastern Europe, just as the Poles and Romanians feared he would in 1939. Russia had a centuries long history of trying to colonize its western neighbors, so the Poles and Romanians understood what to expect from Russia, but in 1939, Germany seemed to be the lesser evil, but they were both the same.

 

[luiza]

What has your post got to do with the banana price today?
Guess dear Uncle Jo haunted your childhood dreams and turned you into a Troll .

But back to the real world.
Another wonder-weapon has met its fate.

BTW Boozey , Have the Kyiv Nazis captured any more deserted and flattened villages ?

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[Deadstick]

So according to you Russia wants to kill the grandchildren of Ukrainians who may or may not have participated in these atrocities but is perfectly indifferent to the neo nazis in its own military. With every post you demonstrate why the former soviet states felt they had to join NATO for protection against Russia.

There are no Neo Nazi battalions in the Russian army, unlike the Ukrainian army, and those Sons and Grandsons have to be dealt with before they carry out more genocide, and they are being dealt with, get over it.

 

[Deadstick]

The fact is that when Stalin signed his pact with Hitler that allowed Russia to carve out Russia colonies in eastern Europe, British and French diplomats were in Moscow negotiating in good faith to form an alliance to stop Hitler. The sticking point was that Stalin demanded that the Red Army be allowed to "cross" Poland and Romania, ostensibly to fight the Germans, but then as now no one trusted the Russians and the Poles and Romanians were reluctant, so Stalin signed the pact with Hitler that would allow him to occupy at least part of Poland and clearly he intended to go further.

And when the Germans withdrew, Stalin immediately started to colonize eastern Europe, just as the Poles and Romanians feared he would in 1939. Russia had a centuries long history of trying to colonize its western neighbors, so the Poles and Romanians understood what to expect from Russia, but in 1939, Germany seemed to be the lesser evil, but they were both the same.

The fact is you lied about what led to the Ribbentrop pact, the fact France and Britain wouldn't have a pact with the Soviets.

 

[Silver Cat]

That would never happen because while the eastern Europeans have good reason to think Russia intends to destroy their sovereignty, America's neighbors do not have that fear about the US. NATO was the result of Russia's attempt to colonize eastern Europe at the end of WWII, and Putin loves the Russia that did that, so it would have been insane for these nations not to join NATO.

First of all, the USA in time, occupied and annexed two thirds of Mexican territory (say nothing about interventions in other Latino-American countries). Second - when the Russians deployed their missiles in Cuba - the USA preferred the threat of a nuclear war to allow them keep those missiles.
Third - the USA can allow existence of independent Canada, while the rights of English-speakers are well protected and while it's not going to join a hostile military block. If French-speaking Canadian Junta abuse English-speaking Canadians - the USA won't have another option but intervene. If Canada try to join Shanghai block or BRICS or other anti-American alliance - the USA won't have other option but intervene, too, coz Canada is vital for the US security.

 

[Silver Cat]

There are no Neo Nazi battalions in the Russian army, unlike the Ukrainian army, and those Sons and Grandsons have to be dealt with before they carry out more genocide, and they are being dealt with, get over it.

It depends on do we consider ideology of "Rusich Group" as Neo-Nazi, and can we count it as a battalion (as far as I know, it is a mere company).

 

[Silver Cat]

So according to you Russia wants to kill the grandchildren of Ukrainians who may or may not have participated in these atrocities but is perfectly indifferent to the neo nazis in its own military. With every post you demonstrate why the former soviet states felt they had to join NATO for protection against Russia.

They (Russians) are killing Banderovci, ideological heirs of Ukrainian Nazi-Collaborants, because they already started to kill the Russians. It's a pure self-defense.

 

[Deadstick]

It depends on do we consider ideology of "Rusich Group" as Neo-Nazi, and can we count it as a battalion (as far as I know, it is a mere company).

They are not part of the Russian army, it's a few nutters, Azov are part of the official Ukrainian security forces.

 

[Hector12]

First of all, the USA in time, occupied and annexed two thirds of Mexican territory (say nothing about interventions in other Latino-American countries). Second - when the Russians deployed their missiles in Cuba - the USA preferred the threat of a nuclear war to allow them keep those missiles.
Third - the USA can allow existence of independent Canada, while the rights of English-speakers are well protected and while it's not going to join a hostile military block. If French-speaking Canadian Junta abuse English-speaking Canadians - the USA won't have another option but intervene. If Canada try to join Shanghai block or BRICS or other anti-American alliance - the USA won't have other option but intervene, too, coz Canada is vital for the US security.

None of that justifies the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Silver Cat]

None of that justifies the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

First of all - those are rules of the game. The rules, working for both sides. And there is no reason to talk about "justification" after Clinton's useless and unjustful agression against Serbia in 1999. Now, there is only one law in this taiga. "When the bear is hungry - he eats".
Second - the Russians are human being, not some sort of your stupid NPCs. When they are hungry - they eat. When they are thirsty - they drink. When they are endangered - they attack.
Third - if we want to live in peace with the Russians, we shouldn't try to defeat them (and should think about "undivided security"). If we want to defeat them in war - we should improve our nuclear forces (to be able to win an all-out nuclear war against Russia and China simultaneously) and should not waste money, material, human and intellectual resources for killing some infantrymen and destroying some obsolete tanks.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There are no Neo Nazi battalions in the Russian army, unlike the Ukrainian army, and those Sons and Grandsons have to be dealt with before they carry out more genocide, and they are being dealt with, get over it.

There you go, that's pretty much the same thing Hitler said about the Jews. Again you show there is no difference between Hitler's Germany and Putin's Russia. There are numerous neo nazi groups fighting alongside the Russian army in Ukraine, "denazifying" Ukraine.

 

[toomuchtime_]

The fact is you lied about what led to the Ribbentrop pact, the fact France and Britain wouldn't have a pact with the Soviets.

The fact is I told the truth, Britain and France were in the process of negotiating a mutual defense pact with Russia, and all the issues had been settled except Stalin's demand that the Red Army be allowed to move through Poland and Romania when Stalin signed the pact with Hitler. Stalin chose to ally himself with Hitler rather than stop the war by joining Britain and France because it would allow him to carve up eastern Europe.

 

[Silver Cat]

There you go, that's pretty much the same thing Hitler said about the Jews. Again you show there is no difference between Hitler's Germany and Putin's Russia. There are numerous neo nazi groups fighting alongside the Russian army in Ukraine, "denazifying" Ukraine.

Actually, there is a really important practical difference between Hitler and Putin. Hitler didn't possess nuclear weapons and ICBMs.

 

[Silver Cat]

The fact is I told the truth, Britain and France were in the process of negotiating a mutual defense pact with Russia, and all the issues had been settled except Stalin's demand that the Red Army be allowed to move through Poland and Romania when Stalin signed the pact with Hitler. Stalin chose to ally himself with Hitler rather than stop the war by joining Britain and France because it would allow him to carve up eastern Europe.

Actually, no. There was a mutual defence pact between the USSR, France and Czechoslovakia, and Chamberlain did everything to destroy it.

 

[Hector12]

First of all - those are rules of the game. The rules, working for both sides. And there is no reason to talk about "justification" after Clinton's useless and unjustful agression against Serbia in 1999. Now, there is only one law in this taiga. "When the bear is hungry - he eats".
Second - the Russians are human being, not some sort of your stupid NPCs. When they are hungry - they eat. When they are thirsty - they drink. When they are endangered - they attack.
Third - if we want to live in peace with the Russians, we shouldn't try to defeat them (and should think about "undivided security"). If we want to defeat them in war - we should improve our nuclear forces (to be able to win an all-out nuclear war against Russia and China simultaneously) and should not waste money, material, human and intellectual resources for killing some infantrymen and destroying some obsolete tanks.

Nukes are all Russia has. The Ukrainians have turned the Russian Army into an international laughing stock. No one wants to buy anything made in Russia. Russia exports natural resources and agricultural products like third world countries. The entire gross domestic product (GDP) of Russia is about the same as that of California, Texas, and New York.

 

[toomuchtime_]

First of all, the USA in time, occupied and annexed two thirds of Mexican territory (say nothing about interventions in other Latino-American countries). Second - when the Russians deployed their missiles in Cuba - the USA preferred the threat of a nuclear war to allow them keep those missiles.
Third - the USA can allow existence of independent Canada, while the rights of English-speakers are well protected and while it's not going to join a hostile military block. If French-speaking Canadian Junta abuse English-speaking Canadians - the USA won't have another option but intervene. If Canada try to join Shanghai block or BRICS or other anti-American alliance - the USA won't have other option but intervene, too, coz Canada is vital for the US security.

No matter how many times you repeat this argument, it is still just as stupid. America's neighbors have not sought to join together for defense against the US because they have no fear of being taken over by the US and Russia's neighbors have sought to join NATO because the do fear being taken over by Russia. Russia created NATO by seeking to colonize eastern Europe at the end of WWII, and when Gorbachev freed the former soviet states, they pressed to join NATO because they understood Russia would try to colonize them again if they stood alone.