Rousey v Holm

[ChrisL]

Well, I hope she recovers and gets back in the ring soon. Everyone is going to lose sometimes.

 

[Anathema]

Well, I hope she recovers and gets back in the ring soon. Everyone is going to lose sometimes.

Not everyone. Some of us know our limitations sufficiently to choose not to play when the chance of losing is too great.

 

[G.T.]

Its kind of wild the way that went down, because you can be the best in the world one day and made to look like an amateur the next. You dont take a life long boxer lightly on your feet, not only that but a CHAMPION boxer many times over and THEN a Champion kickboxer. As long as Holly continues to improve her takedown defense, nobody is beating her. She shoulda BEEN Rhonda this whole time. The talent pool for the women was very thin at the start of things, treating Rhonda like she was some rare, mystical unbeatable animal was to her own detriment. They gassed her too much.

 

[chikenwing]

A brawler v a boxer,a rather good boxer,Rhonda couldn't bum rush her like all her other matches,totally out played at every move.She may learn from this or not.If Holms tunes up her ground skills,she will be hard to beat.

 

[Anathema]

Not sure I agree. she was in the Olympics at 17 in 2004, and she did win gold at the World Juniors that year.
And she medalled in 2008, although I don't understand how you give two bronzes out for the same competition.

She won Juniors in 2004 then placed 8th (I believe) in the Olympics. She was so distraught that she left the Olympics and came home 24 hours after being eliminated. Placing 3rd in 2008 was such a great success in her mind that she left the arena, gorged herself in the athlete's cafetetia then was found the next day curled up in her dorm room in the Olympic village. Doesn't sound to me like she really felt good about either rssult.

Yes, she became over hyped, and yes, I know people can't stand her for that and other reasons, that doesn't change the facf that she won a ton of stuff, and then ran into a fighter that negated her strengths.

Winning a lot of stuff becomes immaterial to some people once they lose. For totally different reasons than Ms. Rousey, I understand that mentality. Even at 42 years old....

My right hand is in a cast right now due to a team I support losing a game they had no chance to win, 8 days ago. I almost made it a matching pair Saturday night then again yesterday.

 

[G.T.]

She was just way more athletic and strong, too. Thing is, Holly is at the top of the mountain in terms of Combat Sports accomplishments. Owned boxing, owned kickboxing, owns mma. I dont think she will stick around too long. Which sucks. She is great.

 

[Camp]

Those two can probably make a few dollars doing a rematch. Do ya think?

 

[G.T.]

Those two can probably make a few dollars doing a rematch. Do ya think?

yea they can make assloads.....Rhonda cant win though. Holly outclasses her by too many leaps and bounds.

 

[Anathema]

Those two can probably make a few dollars doing a rematch. Do ya think?

Yes, but are BOTH of them interested? Even before Saturday, Rousey said she's not interestef in ANY other fight before next July. With the loss, I get the feeling she may take her movie money and walk away.

 

[Anathema]

yea they can make assloads.... Ronda cant win though. Holly outclasses her by too many leaps and bounds.

Then no rematch will ever occur. Ronda won't agree to take a second beating. Only if Ronda thinks she can convincingly win would there ever be a rematch.

 

[G.T.]

yea they can make assloads.... Ronda cant win though. Holly outclasses her by too many leaps and bounds.

Then no rematch will ever occur. Ronda won't agree to take a second beating. Only if Ronda thinks she can convincingly win would there ever be a rematch.

Yea anyone watching that fight can see plain as day that Holly's skills are on a different dimension of existence.

 

[Anathema]

Yea anyone watching that fight can see plain as day that Holly's skills are on a different dimension of existence.

In which case we've seen the end of Ronda Rousey in the UFC, as I stated in my first post in this thread.

 

[G.T.]

Yea anyone watching that fight can see plain as day that Holly's skills are on a different dimension of existence.

In which case we've seen the end of Ronda Rousey in the UFC, as I stated in my first post in this thread.

if we havent - we should have. Her allure was her apparent immortality that they promoted the fuck out of. Now shes mortal, even worse - shes very amateur next to Holly. Holly is a real gladiator, she deserves all of this. I hope she fights Cyborg at a 140lb catch weight. Itll never happen though.

 

[Anathema]

if we havent - we should have. Her allure was her apparent immortality that they promoted the fuck out of. Now shes mortal, even worse - shes very amateur next to Holly. Holly is a real gladiator, she deserves all of this. I hope she fights Cyborg at a 140lb catch weight. Itll never happen though.

Holm has no allure for me. The UFC without an undefeated Ronda Rousey has no allure for me. Dana White just lost not only his best marketibg tool but any chance of getting future money or interest from me. Not thst he gives a shit.

 

[G.T.]

if we havent - we should have. Her allure was her apparent immortality that they promoted the fuck out of. Now shes mortal, even worse - shes very amateur next to Holly. Holly is a real gladiator, she deserves all of this. I hope she fights Cyborg at a 140lb catch weight. Itll never happen though.

Holm has no allure for me. The UFC without an undefeated Ronda Rousey has no allure for me. Dana White just lost not only his best marketibg tool but any chance of getting future money or interest from me. Not thst he gives a shit.

what dont ya like about holly

 

[Anathema]

what dont ya like about holly

She's a boxer and kickboxer. I have great respect for those arts/sports but if that's what I wanted to watch, that's what Id watch. If I'm watching MMA I want to see brawl, not a chess match. In fact if I were Dana White I'd have a rule that says if neither fighter has landed a blow in any 15 second period if time, the match is a DQ for both fighters. I'd also get rid of the points system. Fight until you have a KO/TKO or the fight is a draw after 3 rounds.

 

[mudwhistle]

I don't see the point of her fighting anymore. She's gonna make millions in movies as an action star. It's a lot safer....and other MMA Champs went that route. She should walk away while she's still pretty.

Ronda has a short window before she becomes yesterday's news since she's no longer the champ.

Tell that to Chuck Norris

And not if she's as good at acting as she's shown.

She being considered as a female Captain Marvel.

 

[G.T.]

what dont ya like about holly

She's a boxer and kickboxer. I have great respect for those arts/sports but if that's what I wanted to watch, that's what Id watch. If I'm watching MMA I want to see brawl, not a chess match. In fact if I were Dana White I'd have a rule that says if neither fighter has landed a blow in any 15 second period if time, the match is a DQ for both fighters. I'd also get rid of the points system. Fight until you have a KO/TKO or the fight is a draw after 3 rounds.

The brawls mostly happen with the strikers. Thats all boxing and kickboxing is, is striking and defense.

 

[mudwhistle]

Yes, but you typed 1994 and 1998.

Which has now been corrected. Thank you for noticing the errors so they could be fixed.

Regardless of the dates, the events show s very thi. Skinned and less than resilient mentailty to losing, which I understand very well from my own competitiveness issues.

Not sure I agree. she was in the Olympics at 17 in 2004, and she did win gold at the World Juniors that year.
And she medalled in 2008, although I don't understand how you give two bronzes out for the same competition.

Yes, she became over hyped, and yes, I know people can't stand her for that and other reasons, that doesn't change the facf that she won a ton of stuff, and then ran into a fighter that negated her strengths.

MMA Champions usually have short reigns:

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So much of the so-called hype

 

[Anathema]

The brawls mostly happen with the strikers. Thats all boxing and kickboxing is, is striking and defense.

My combat background is pistol shooting, medieval combat and lower level Krav Maga. Three styles where you don't stand around and make nice with the other guy (or the targets). You aggressively seek out and destroy you enemy. The amount of juking snd jiving in most MMA/UFC fight bores me to death.