Roosevelt: Cold Water Splashed In His Face!

[regent]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You didn't know that FDR came from a rich family?

The only thing that makes sense is that Moonglow is a masochist who had fallen in love with instantaneous spankings administered by PC

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR cuddled up to Uncle Joe AFTER his Uncle starved 6MM people, including 3MM children to death in the Ukraine

A sicker, more immoral fuck never existed

Met with a shrug by our 'rezidents.'

When I pointed out the iniquity of his antecedents, the communists, who slaughtered 100 million men, women and children.....he sneered at the deaths this way:


"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society

because people only post to you to make fun of you. no one except your fellow wingers are interested in your cut and pastes.

Yet FDR still aided and abetted a known genocidal lunatic in his Uncle Joe.

Why?

 

[Tehon]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

Keynes was the answer for FDR, Mussolini and Hitler and his theory still holds true today. Unfortunately the neoliberals have been in control since Reagan.

BTW Keynes only advocated running deficits in times of economic stagnation, otherwise he advocated balanced budgets.

 

[Camp]

You didn't know that FDR came from a rich family?

The only thing that makes sense is that Moonglow is a masochist who had fallen in love with instantaneous spankings administered by PC

PC does not spank anyone. In this thread, she has evaded answering numerous challenges by simply not answering the refutes, hurling insults and re-posting the post she has been challenged about and refuted. This while she reminds everyone how much smarter she is than everyone else, bla, bla, bla.
In the end, she has been caught lying on two of her major points of her conspiracy theory. FDR did not abandon the troops to Russia and Stalin as she claims. FDR was deceased when that occurred. Her own links and quotes contained in her post confirm that. And any retard can ascertain that the claim that the Great Depression didn't begin in 1929, four years in advance of the FDR Presidency is a big lie.

 

[Camp]

FDR cuddled up to Uncle Joe AFTER his Uncle starved 6MM people, including 3MM children to death in the Ukraine

A sicker, more immoral fuck never existed

Met with a shrug by our 'rezidents.'

When I pointed out the iniquity of his antecedents, the communists, who slaughtered 100 million men, women and children.....he sneered at the deaths this way:


"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society

because people only post to you to make fun of you. no one except your fellow wingers are interested in your cut and pastes.

Yet FDR still aided and abetted a known genocidal lunatic in his Uncle Joe.

Why?

To defeat the Nazi war machine and manipulate Stalin into sacrificing millions of USSR troops instead of American troops. American casualties, hundreds of thousands. USSR casualties, millions, perhaps as many as ten million.

 

[Tehon]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

biennio rosso is the name of the widespread unrest in Italy that lead to the rise of Mussolini. The "two red years" in english, 1919 and 1920 culminating in the workers taking control of industrial factories. Mussolini and his blackshirts got their start attacking leftists, funded by capitalists. Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution.

Italy - The Fascist era | history - geography

Mussolini’s movement was initially unsuccessful, but Fascists soon began to agitate in the streets and against the left. In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan. Four people were killed, and the paper shut down for several days. This was the first demonstration of the ability of the Fascists to attack Socialist institutions. The offices of L’Avanti! were attacked twice more between 1920 and 1922. Organized militias began to attract support across Italy in an anti-Bolshevik crusade that united various social and political sectors and organizations. Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. Thousands of people were beaten, killed, or forced to drink castor oil and run out of town. Hundreds of union offices, employment centres, and party newspapers were looted or burnt down. In October 1920, after the election of a left administration in Bologna, Fascists invaded the council chamber, causing mayhem and nine deaths. The council was suspended by the government. Later, Socialist and Catholic deputies were run out of parliament or had their houses destroyed. Thebiennio nero (“two black years”; 1921–22) destroyed opposition to the Fascists. Union organizations were crushed. The Federterra shrank from some one million members to fewer than 6,000 in less than five years. Unable to defend basic democratic rights or to prevent the criminal activities of a private militia that operated openly and nationwide, the state had lost all credibility.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

FDR cuddled up to Uncle Joe AFTER his Uncle starved 6MM people, including 3MM children to death in the Ukraine

A sicker, more immoral fuck never existed

Met with a shrug by our 'rezidents.'

When I pointed out the iniquity of his antecedents, the communists, who slaughtered 100 million men, women and children.....he sneered at the deaths this way:


"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society

because people only post to you to make fun of you. no one except your fellow wingers are interested in your cut and pastes.

Yet FDR still aided and abetted a known genocidal lunatic in his Uncle Joe.

Why?

To defeat the Nazi war machine and manipulate Stalin into sacrificing millions of USSR troops instead of American troops. American casualties, hundreds of thousands. USSR casualties, millions, perhaps as many as ten million.

Google Stalin and Kulaks, then we can talk

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You didn't know that FDR came from a rich family?

The only thing that makes sense is that Moonglow is a masochist who had fallen in love with instantaneous spankings administered by PC

PC does not spank anyone. In this thread, she has evaded answering numerous challenges by simply not answering the refutes, hurling insults and re-posting the post she has been challenged about and refuted. This while she reminds everyone how much smarter she is than everyone else, bla, bla, bla.
In the end, she has been caught lying on two of her major points of her conspiracy theory. FDR did not abandon the troops to Russia and Stalin as she claims. FDR was deceased when that occurred. Her own links and quotes contained in her post confirm that. And any retard can ascertain that the claim that the Great Depression didn't begin in 1929, four years in advance of the FDR Presidency is a big lie.

PC has your shrunken heads on her belt.

 

[Camp]

You didn't know that FDR came from a rich family?

The only thing that makes sense is that Moonglow is a masochist who had fallen in love with instantaneous spankings administered by PC

PC does not spank anyone. In this thread, she has evaded answering numerous challenges by simply not answering the refutes, hurling insults and re-posting the post she has been challenged about and refuted. This while she reminds everyone how much smarter she is than everyone else, bla, bla, bla.
In the end, she has been caught lying on two of her major points of her conspiracy theory. FDR did not abandon the troops to Russia and Stalin as she claims. FDR was deceased when that occurred. Her own links and quotes contained in her post confirm that. And any retard can ascertain that the claim that the Great Depression didn't begin in 1929, four years in advance of the FDR Presidency is a big lie.

PC has your shrunken heads on her belt.

You are delusional. Only a small handful of members here still support PoliticalChics conspiracy theory anti-FDR rants. Far more mock her and every one of the conspiracy theory threads ends with her being unable to answer challenges and refutations. Conspiracy theories are not recognized as real or accurate histories. Sorry to break it to you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

"... FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget,..."

Of course, you're lying....just as FDR did.

Let me prove it with his own words.


1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



Did I just ram your words back down your lying throat, or what??????

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

biennio rosso is the name of the widespread unrest in Italy that lead to the rise of Mussolini. The "two red years" in english, 1919 and 1920 culminating in the workers taking control of industrial factories. Mussolini and his blackshirts got their start attacking leftists, funded by capitalists. Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution.

Italy - The Fascist era | history - geography

Mussolini’s movement was initially unsuccessful, but Fascists soon began to agitate in the streets and against the left. In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan. Four people were killed, and the paper shut down for several days. This was the first demonstration of the ability of the Fascists to attack Socialist institutions. The offices of L’Avanti! were attacked twice more between 1920 and 1922. Organized militias began to attract support across Italy in an anti-Bolshevik crusade that united various social and political sectors and organizations. Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. Thousands of people were beaten, killed, or forced to drink castor oil and run out of town. Hundreds of union offices, employment centres, and party newspapers were looted or burnt down. In October 1920, after the election of a left administration in Bologna, Fascists invaded the council chamber, causing mayhem and nine deaths. The council was suspended by the government. Later, Socialist and Catholic deputies were run out of parliament or had their houses destroyed. Thebiennio nero (“two black years”; 1921–22) destroyed opposition to the Fascists. Union organizations were crushed. The Federterra shrank from some one million members to fewer than 6,000 in less than five years. Unable to defend basic democratic rights or to prevent the criminal activities of a private militia that operated openly and nationwide, the state had lost all credibility.

"Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution."

You've been deprived of an education, eh?

I can help.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

 

[Tehon]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

biennio rosso is the name of the widespread unrest in Italy that lead to the rise of Mussolini. The "two red years" in english, 1919 and 1920 culminating in the workers taking control of industrial factories. Mussolini and his blackshirts got their start attacking leftists, funded by capitalists. Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution.

Italy - The Fascist era | history - geography

Mussolini’s movement was initially unsuccessful, but Fascists soon began to agitate in the streets and against the left. In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan. Four people were killed, and the paper shut down for several days. This was the first demonstration of the ability of the Fascists to attack Socialist institutions. The offices of L’Avanti! were attacked twice more between 1920 and 1922. Organized militias began to attract support across Italy in an anti-Bolshevik crusade that united various social and political sectors and organizations. Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. Thousands of people were beaten, killed, or forced to drink castor oil and run out of town. Hundreds of union offices, employment centres, and party newspapers were looted or burnt down. In October 1920, after the election of a left administration in Bologna, Fascists invaded the council chamber, causing mayhem and nine deaths. The council was suspended by the government. Later, Socialist and Catholic deputies were run out of parliament or had their houses destroyed. Thebiennio nero (“two black years”; 1921–22) destroyed opposition to the Fascists. Union organizations were crushed. The Federterra shrank from some one million members to fewer than 6,000 in less than five years. Unable to defend basic democratic rights or to prevent the criminal activities of a private militia that operated openly and nationwide, the state had lost all credibility.

"Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution."

You've been deprived of an education, eh?

I can help.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Conservatism is the fear of change, and the biggest fear after WWI was that socialist revolutions would overthrow capitalism as Marx had predicted. Capitalists gave rise to fascism and as such they are responsible for all the blood that was spilled in the twentieth century. Capitalists are responsible for repression and iron fisted government, it is all rooted in conservatism, the fear of change.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You didn't know that FDR came from a rich family?

The only thing that makes sense is that Moonglow is a masochist who had fallen in love with instantaneous spankings administered by PC

PC does not spank anyone. In this thread, she has evaded answering numerous challenges by simply not answering the refutes, hurling insults and re-posting the post she has been challenged about and refuted. This while she reminds everyone how much smarter she is than everyone else, bla, bla, bla.
In the end, she has been caught lying on two of her major points of her conspiracy theory. FDR did not abandon the troops to Russia and Stalin as she claims. FDR was deceased when that occurred. Her own links and quotes contained in her post confirm that. And any retard can ascertain that the claim that the Great Depression didn't begin in 1929, four years in advance of the FDR Presidency is a big lie.

"PC does not spank anyone. In this thread, .... she has been caught lying on two of her major points of her conspiracy theory. FDR did not abandon the troops to Russia and Stalin as she claims."

Well, I've done more than spank you.....I've atomized you!
Proving that you are a low-life, lying sleaze has been both simple, and a bonus.




Now....watch me do it again:
The following.....abandoning thousands of American soldiers just to stay in Stalin's favor was more than typical of Franklin Roosevelt.



"On May 12, 1945, five days after V-E Day, the AP filed a startling news report from Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (SHAEF): “Nearly half of the estimated 200,000 British and 76,000 American prisoners of war still in Germany are believed to be within the Russian zone of occupation and Supreme Headquarters has twice requested a meeting or an arrangement to arrange their return.”

Not two months earlier, as we’ve seen, Stalin had belligerently insisted to the now-deceased FDR that there were only seventeen Americans left in the Red zone, and that these last few American boys were safely en route to Odessa.

Behind the scenes, on May 19, 1945, Supreme Commander Eisenhower himself signed a cable stating, “Numbers of US prisoners estimated in Russian control 25,000.”

What happened? The Senate report goes on to assemble the relevant record of subsequent statements, memos, tallies and the like to arrive at its bottom line: between 12,500 and 20,000 U.S. servicemen were left behind after World.




I can’t think of anything that puts a more American face on this uniquely twentieth-century record of perfidy [by Roosevelt and his administration] than the betrayal of our own fighting fathers, brothers, husbands, and sons, Americans of successive generations beginning back before the so-called Greatest Generation, all the way up to the baby boomers. Along with their long-suffering families, they would become the uniquely American sacrifice to the conspiracy of silence that improbably held the Free World and the Un-Free World together, partners in crime, over the course of the twentieth century. Sacrifices, all, to American betrayal."
Diana West, "American Betrayal," chapter 11
The Death of the Grown-Up | Diana West > Home - Memorial




All of which must be laid at the feet of Franklin Roosevelt and his supporters.


You've served your purpose, that of proving that I never lie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

biennio rosso is the name of the widespread unrest in Italy that lead to the rise of Mussolini. The "two red years" in english, 1919 and 1920 culminating in the workers taking control of industrial factories. Mussolini and his blackshirts got their start attacking leftists, funded by capitalists. Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution.

Italy - The Fascist era | history - geography

Mussolini’s movement was initially unsuccessful, but Fascists soon began to agitate in the streets and against the left. In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan. Four people were killed, and the paper shut down for several days. This was the first demonstration of the ability of the Fascists to attack Socialist institutions. The offices of L’Avanti! were attacked twice more between 1920 and 1922. Organized militias began to attract support across Italy in an anti-Bolshevik crusade that united various social and political sectors and organizations. Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. Thousands of people were beaten, killed, or forced to drink castor oil and run out of town. Hundreds of union offices, employment centres, and party newspapers were looted or burnt down. In October 1920, after the election of a left administration in Bologna, Fascists invaded the council chamber, causing mayhem and nine deaths. The council was suspended by the government. Later, Socialist and Catholic deputies were run out of parliament or had their houses destroyed. Thebiennio nero (“two black years”; 1921–22) destroyed opposition to the Fascists. Union organizations were crushed. The Federterra shrank from some one million members to fewer than 6,000 in less than five years. Unable to defend basic democratic rights or to prevent the criminal activities of a private militia that operated openly and nationwide, the state had lost all credibility.

"Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution."

You've been deprived of an education, eh?

I can help.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Conservatism is the fear of change, and the biggest fear after WWI was that socialist revolutions would overthrow capitalism as Marx had predicted. Capitalists gave rise to fascism and as such they are responsible for all the blood that was spilled in the twentieth century. Capitalists are responsible for repression and iron fisted government, it is all rooted in conservatism, the fear of change.

You seem to have missed this:
Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

You can dance around it all you like, but you have proven yourself incapable of incorporating facts to counter your biases.

You must be a government school grad, huh?

biennio rosso is the name of the widespread unrest in Italy that lead to the rise of Mussolini. The "two red years" in english, 1919 and 1920 culminating in the workers taking control of industrial factories. Mussolini and his blackshirts got their start attacking leftists, funded by capitalists. Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution.

Italy - The Fascist era | history - geography

Mussolini’s movement was initially unsuccessful, but Fascists soon began to agitate in the streets and against the left. In April 1919 Fascists and nationalists burned down the offices of the national Socialist daily, L’Avanti!, in Milan. Four people were killed, and the paper shut down for several days. This was the first demonstration of the ability of the Fascists to attack Socialist institutions. The offices of L’Avanti! were attacked twice more between 1920 and 1922. Organized militias began to attract support across Italy in an anti-Bolshevik crusade that united various social and political sectors and organizations. Local Fascist groups were soon founded in Emilia, Tuscany, and Puglia and by autumn 1920 were busy not only breaking up strikes but also dismantling Socialist and Catholic labour unions and peasants’ cooperatives and—often with police collusion—overthrowing newly elected local councils. Fascist squads, dressed in black-shirted uniforms and often financed by landowners or industrialists, used systematic violence to destroy these organizations. Thousands of people were beaten, killed, or forced to drink castor oil and run out of town. Hundreds of union offices, employment centres, and party newspapers were looted or burnt down. In October 1920, after the election of a left administration in Bologna, Fascists invaded the council chamber, causing mayhem and nine deaths. The council was suspended by the government. Later, Socialist and Catholic deputies were run out of parliament or had their houses destroyed. Thebiennio nero (“two black years”; 1921–22) destroyed opposition to the Fascists. Union organizations were crushed. The Federterra shrank from some one million members to fewer than 6,000 in less than five years. Unable to defend basic democratic rights or to prevent the criminal activities of a private militia that operated openly and nationwide, the state had lost all credibility.

"Fascism is not a leftist ideology, it is a capitalist counter revolution."

You've been deprived of an education, eh?

I can help.

Let's begin with definitions.
Nazism, communism, socialism..Liberalism, Progressivism,.and fascism....

1. Which stem from the works of Karl Marx?
2. Which is a form of command and control big government?
3. Which has no problem with genocide, actual or figurative, as an accepted procedure on its political enemies?
4. Which is based on the collective over the individual?
5. Which oppresses and/or slaughters its own citizens as pro forma (including depriving them of a living)....?
6. Which represents totalitarian governance?
7. Which believes that mandating/dictating every aspect of their citizen's lives is their prerogative?
8. Which aims for an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life

9. Which restricts free speech and thought?

10. Which can be summed up in Hegel's “The state says … you must obey …. The state has rights against the individual; its members have obligations, among them that of obeying without protest”



And, of course, they all are do...they are all consubstantial.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism






How about pointing out which of them are defenders of religious, political, and economic freedom, and recognize the individual as the most important element of society?
Right....none of 'em.
Only right wing philosophies...i.e., conservatism.


In your face, you dolt.....

Conservatism is the fear of change, and the biggest fear after WWI was that socialist revolutions would overthrow capitalism as Marx had predicted. Capitalists gave rise to fascism and as such they are responsible for all the blood that was spilled in the twentieth century. Capitalists are responsible for repression and iron fisted government, it is all rooted in conservatism, the fear of change.

"Conservatism is the fear of change, blah blah blah....."

I hear you crying out for an education,.....that which has been denied to you up to now.

Have no fear.....I am here to save the day!


Take notes:

1) Conservatives believe that there are moral truths, right and wrong, and that these truths are permanent. The result of infracting these truths will be atrocities and social disaster. Liberals believe in a privatization of morality so complete that no code of conduct is generally accepted, practically to the point of ‘do what you can get away with’. These beliefs are aimed at the gratification of appetites and exhibit anarchistic impulses.


2) Conservatives believe that custom and tradition result in individuals living in peace. Law is custom and precedent. Liberals are destroyers of custom and convention. To a conservative, change should be gradual, as the new society is often inferior to the old. We build on the ideas and experience of our ancestors. The species is wiser than the individual (Burke).


3) Liberals are impulsive, and imprudent. They believe in quick changes, and risk new abuses worse than the ‘evils’ that they would sweep away, since remedies are usually not simple. Plato said that prudence is the mark of the statesman. There should be a balance between permanence and change, while liberals see ‘progress’ as some mythical direction for society.


4) Conservatives believe in the principle of variety, while liberal perspectives result in a narrowing uniformity. Conservatives believe in choice of healthcare, education, religion, and various other areas. Under conservative principles, there will be differences in class, material condition and other inequalities. Equality will be of opportunity, not necessarily of result. The only uniformity will be before the law. Society will not be perfect. Consider the results of the rule of ideologues of the last century.


5) Freedom and property are linked. Private property results in a more stable and productive society. Private property and retaining the fruits of one’s labor has been proven successful from the Puritan’s Bradford, to the Stakhanovite Revolution!


6) Conservatives believe in voluntary community and charity, based on duties to each other, with the assumption that each person must do whatever he could to avoid requiring assistance, as opposed to involuntary collectivism, as in “let the government do it..” Burke's understanding that the "little platoon" - family, neighborhood, professional organizations etc - is the "first principle" of society has been consistently identified as providing the necessary inspiration for conservativism. And explains why conservatives give more to charity than liberals.


7) Conservatives view people as both good and bad, and for this reason believe on restraints on power, as in checks and balances, while liberals see power as a force for good, as long as the power is in their hands.


8) Liberals and Conservatives differ in the way to proceed. For Conservatives, data informs policy. (“More Guns, Less Crime” and “Mass murderers apparently can’t read, since they are constantly shooting up ‘gun-free zones.’”- Coulter) We use Conservative principles to the best of our ability, but when confronting new and original venues, we believe in testing, and analysis of the results of the tests. For liberals, feeling passes for knowing; it is based on emotion often to the exclusion of thinking.


9) Conservatives view results differently from Liberals. Liberals respond to success and material wealth with envy and hostility, encourage class warfare and an attempt to obviate any chance that it might happen again. The exception is when it is a Liberal with the wealth. Conservatives see success as the validation and culmination of the application of Conservative principles, most prominently Liberty.


10) Since Liberals see their view as a higher calling that that of Conservatives, they mistakenly believe that it is entirely appropriate for then to use, not logic, facts, nor accepted debating techniques, but ad hominem attacks on the physical appearance, personal history, or imaginary mental defects. Notice how the Liberal replaces intellect with emotion. This is, no doubt, based on a medieval concept of recognizing witches and demons. In fact, Liberals attempt to deal with opponents in similar fashion: recall Clarence Thomas’ “High Tech Lynching.”

 

[regent]

1. The propaganda of the New Deal (“malefactors of great wealth”) to the contrary, FDR simply endeavored to re-create the corporatism of the last war. The New Dealers invited one industry after another to write the codes under which they would be regulated. Even more aggressive, the National Recovery Administration forced industries to fix prices and in other ways to collude with one another: the NRA approved 557 basic and 189 supplementary codes, covering almost 95% of all industrial workers.
   1. The intention was for big business to get bigger, and the little guy to be squeezed out: for example, the owners of the big chain movie houses wrote the codes that almost ran the independents out of business (even though 13,571 of the 18,321 movie theatres were independently owned). This in the name of ‘efficiency’ and ‘progress.’
   2. New Deal bureaucrats studied Mussolini’s corporatism closely. From “Fortune” magazine: ‘The Corporate state is to Mussolini what the New Deal is to Roosevelt.’(July 1934)

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

"... FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget,..."

Of course, you're lying....just as FDR did.

Let me prove it with his own words.


1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



Did I just ram your words back down your lying throat, or what??????

1. So are all depression/recessions caused by the same economic factors?
2. Do all of the economic factors that cause a depression/recession have to in the same quantity?
3. How does a balanced budget cure a depression/recession?

 

[PoliticalChic]

You know that we are saying the same the same thing here, right..... that FDR was advancing the capitalist agenda. It is kind of you to support my position.

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

"... FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget,..."

Of course, you're lying....just as FDR did.

Let me prove it with his own words.


1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



Did I just ram your words back down your lying throat, or what??????

1. So are all depression/recessions caused by the same economic factors?
2. Do all of the economic factors that cause a depression/recession have to in the same quantity?
3. How does a balanced budget cure a depression/recession?

You are both a congenital liar and a glacially slow learner.


One more time....let Roosevelt teach you the lesson:

1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.

 

[regent]

Of course, FDR was advancing the capitalistic agenda, it was essential that business make a profit and the NRA was an attempt to make that need come true. It didn't work because the capitalists involved could not make it work. So on to another idea as FDR promised he would do.

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

"... FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget,..."

Of course, you're lying....just as FDR did.

Let me prove it with his own words.


1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



Did I just ram your words back down your lying throat, or what??????

1. So are all depression/recessions caused by the same economic factors?
2. Do all of the economic factors that cause a depression/recession have to in the same quantity?
3. How does a balanced budget cure a depression/recession?

You are both a congenital liar and a glacially slow learner.


One more time....let Roosevelt teach you the lesson:

1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.

It was a simple question: How does balancing the budget cure a depression?

 

[Camp]

I thought it didn't work because it was deemed unconstitutional.

I'm not a free marketeer but I have to question the value of allowing industry to collude in setting their own prices.

America was desperate for a solution and as FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget, nor loaning money to business so it could continue manufacturing the same product that sat on warehouse shelves.

"... FDR said he would experiment, and that's what he did. In any case our answer today seems to be Keynes, not balancing the budget,..."

Of course, you're lying....just as FDR did.

Let me prove it with his own words.


1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



Did I just ram your words back down your lying throat, or what??????

1. So are all depression/recessions caused by the same economic factors?
2. Do all of the economic factors that cause a depression/recession have to in the same quantity?
3. How does a balanced budget cure a depression/recession?

You are both a congenital liar and a glacially slow learner.


One more time....let Roosevelt teach you the lesson:

1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."
FDR’s Commonwealth Club Address

2.The part about balancing the budget had a certain resonance as President Harding had veered sharply away from federal spending and solved as big a recession in about one year. Certainly Franklin Roosevelt knew this, as he hammered away at Hoover's spending. October 19, 1932, he nailed Hoover, observing that in recent years federal expenses had increased by $1 billion "and that I may add, is the most reckless and extravagant past that I have been able to discover in the statistical record of any peacetime Government anywhere, any time." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

a. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it! If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." Franklin D. Roosevelt: Campaign Address on the Federal Budget at Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

b. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.

It was a simple question: How does balancing the budget cure a depression?

You will not get an original or intellectual answer. All this conspiracy theorist is able to do is throw some insults and name calling followed by a cut and paste deflection that is used to evade answering precise and specific questions. Her threads are scams and hackeries.
I'm still waiting to hear how FDR forced Truman and Eisenhower to abandon those GI's to Stalin after he had been dead and buried. She keeps posting the same cut and paste that shows discussions going on about the topic after FDR had died. But somehow it was the dead guy who is behind the conspiracy theory.