Ron Paul worried trump tariffs will return 1930's decimation to GOP

[Dr. Phosphorous]

To be a LAW it needs to be passed by BOTH houses and signed by the president.

How Congress delegates its tariff powers to the president | Constitution Center

President Donald Trump is expected to announce wide-sweeping tariffs on Wednesday, in a move with potentially broad consequences. So how does the president have the ability to levy tariffs under the Constitution?

constitutioncenter.org

The Constitution actually grants Congress the power to levy tariffs, but in recent years as a result of certain laws Congress has passed, the president and the executive branch have controlled when and how tariffs are placed on goods entering the United States.

There is a difference between "can't" and "won't", genius.

If Congress wants to pass a tariff law with enough support to overcome Trump's veto, then they most certainly can.

And the Republicans in Congress better wise up and understand that Trump could give a flying fuck about their future political careers. Trump simply doesn't care if his tariffs destroy the country and take down the Republican Party with it.

Intelligent people realized a long time ago that the deranged sociopath Trump only cares about one person -- himself. This sick mentally ill fuck wouldn't even be sad if his children died.

 

[Independent thinker]

Will the Republicans in Congress really sit by for the next 18 months and let Trump singlehandedly destroy this country with his tariffs? I have my doubts.

Maybe Republicans don't care about their country, but they do care about their own personal wealth....and I don't think they want to see it all go up in smoke. And they also care about their future political careers.

There was a good column in the Washington Post yesterday that talked about how disastrous tariffs have decimated the Republican Party in previous elections. --

Republicans who are evidently not too comfortable with President Donald Trump’s decision to announce large new global tariffs have tried plenty of hints to push him in a different direction. And one of Trump’s most vocal tariff critics on the GOP side, Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky, tried a relatively novel one on Wednesday.

He pointed to electoral peril for the GOP.

“Tariffs have also led to political decimation,” Paul told reporters. “When [William] McKinley most famously put tariffs on in 1890, they lost 50 percent of their seats in the next election. When [Sens. Reed Smoot and Willis C. Hawley] put on their tariff in the early 1930s, we lost the House and the Senate for 60 years.

“So they’re not only bad economically; they’re bad politically.”

This is a good point.

After the McKinley Tariff was enacted in 1890, Republicans lost 93 seats in the House that year — losses that included McKinley’s own reelection defeat. (He was then a congressman, but would later become president.) They also lost an 1892 presidential election in which the tariffs remained a major issue.

After the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act was signed into law in 1930 — and, according to many historians, worsened the Great Depression — House Republicans lost 52 seats in the 1930 midterm elections and then 101 more in the 1932 election. Part of that was undoubtedly due to the Depression rather than merely the tariffs, but Democrats focused on the tariffs in both campaigns.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...iffs-could-cause-gop-decimation-he-has-point/

We do care about his tariffs. Bring them on!

 

[BluesLegend]

That's one Dem hate filled thread title. I think the level of TDS has hit UNHINGED.

 

[kyzr]

There is a difference between "can't" and "won't", genius. If Congress wants to pass a tariff law with enough support to overcome Trump's veto, then they most certainly can.

True, with support by the democrats. But that defeats the entire point of "reciprocal tariffs". Never happen.

And the Republicans in Congress better wise up and understand that Trump could give a flying fuck about their future political careers. Trump simply doesn't care if his tariffs destroy the country and take down the Republican Party with it.
Intelligent people realized a long time ago that the deranged sociopath Trump only cares about one person -- himself. This sick mentally ill fuck wouldn't even be sad if his children died.

Trump is not destroying the country. Trump knows that his tariffs had better work or he will be impeached after the mid-terms. Intelligent people realized that democrats are toxic, and the deep state threw everything at Trump, Lawfare, two assassination attempts, a $500,000,000 fine, sexual assault, 34 bullshit felonies, and constant propaganda by the MSM, nothing stopped Trump. Now he and Elon are fixing the bloated and corrupt Federal government. Biden's crew stashed a few $billion here and there, like:
$375b for Podesta
$20b in the EPA slush fund
$2b to Stacy Abrams
$42b for charging stations (none built)
$140b DOGE found
$many more to NGOs that need to be tracked down.

So you can whine about Trump all you want, he will still be there 4-years

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

None of his policies can be credited with that job growth.
Unless you want to count the fact that he added more to the debt than Trump?

Biden's policies most certainly can be credited for 48 months of job growth....which Trump is about to end with his idiocy.

Just like Trump will be blamed when he destroys the economy with his tariffs.

Take responsiblity for your stupid fucking voting decision....supporting this mentally ill

I didn't vote for either one of your left-wing, mentally ill candidates.

You voted for the mentally ill Trump. He is going to fuck up the country with his tariffs....and deep down you know it.

But it's too late for you....you've been eating Trump's ass for so long now, you must keep doing it. Sucks to be in a cult like you are.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

True, with support by the democrats. But that defeats the entire point of "reciprocal tariffs". Never happen.

Trump is not destroying the country. Trump knows that his tariffs had better work or he will be impeached after the mid-terms. Intelligent people realized that democrats are toxic, and the deep state threw everything at Trump, Lawfare, two assassination attempts, a $500,000,000 fine, sexual assault, 34 bullshit felonies, and constant propaganda by the MSM, nothing stopped Trump. Now he and Elon are fixing the bloated and corrupt Federal government. Biden's crew stashed a few $billion here and there, like:
$375b for Podesta
$20b in the EPA slush fund
$2b to Stacy Abrams
$42b for charging stations (none built)
$140b DOGE found
$many more to NGOs that need to be tracked down.

So you can whine about Trump all you want, he will still be there 4-years

More mentally ill MAGA gibberish. Trump's ass must taste very good.

And no....Trump's stupid fucking tariffs definitely ain't going to work. That's why your fellow Trump ass-eaters like Ted Cruz are already very concerned about it.

 

[BluesLegend]

True, with support by the democrats. But that defeats the entire point of "reciprocal tariffs". Never happen.

Trump is not destroying the country. Trump knows that his tariffs had better work or he will be impeached after the mid-terms. Intelligent people realized that democrats are toxic, and the deep state threw everything at Trump, Lawfare, two assassination attempts, a $500,000,000 fine, sexual assault, 34 bullshit felonies, and constant propaganda by the MSM, nothing stopped Trump. Now he and Elon are fixing the bloated and corrupt Federal government. Biden's crew stashed a few $billion here and there, like:
$375b for Podesta
$20b in the EPA slush fund
$2b to Stacy Abrams
$42b for charging stations (none built)
$140b DOGE found
$many more to NGOs that need to be tracked down.

So you can whine about Trump all you want, he will still be there 4-years

Oh Dems will whine and cry and throw a fit for the entire 4 years, then another 10 after that.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Correct, leftists take lying to new heights.

It's their specialty.

LOL....Yes, I'm sure a hopeless, uneducated MAGA gomer like you knows all about McKinley's 1890 tariff bill. Hilarious.

And 5 weeks is plenty of time for voters to get pissed off before an election. Hell, the stock market crash in 2008 was about a month before the election....a big reason why McCain lost to Obama.

 

[kyzr]

More mentally ill MAGA gibberish. Trump's ass must taste very good.

Facts not gibberish. You playing dumb or are you one of them low info voters? Don't prove you are a low-life with vulgarity. You are what your posts say you are.

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The Environmental Protection Agency found that the Biden administration gave $2 billion to a climate group linked to Stacey Abrams.

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The $42 billion internet program that has connected 0 people

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DOGE: Department of Government Efficiency

DOGE: Department of Government Efficiency

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And no....Trump's stupid fucking tariffs definitely ain't going to work. That's why your fellow Trump ass-eaters like Ted Cruz are already very concerned about it.

Trump is nothing if not stubborn. He thinks he has the winning hand and no one is going to bluff him out.
There is nothing wrong with reciprocal tariffs. Countries got used to the gravy train. Reality bites.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Biden had 48 straight months of job growth....that is a FACT. And Trump is about to end that almost overnight with his insane fucking tariffs.

Take responsiblity for your stupid fucking voting decision....supporting this mentally ill deranged dumb fuck Trump.

And kiss the Republican Party good bye in Nov 2026.

That is a lie he did not have job growth

I did not vote for him or your seile savior.

You are a liar anyways

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Facts not gibberish. You playing dumb or are you one of them low info voters? Don't prove you are a low-life with vulgarity. You are what your posts say you are.

Exclusive | $375B EPA slush fund handled by John Podesta gave billions to charities founded only months earlier

The EPA gave out $20 billion to environmental justice and green credit groups that had barely registered with the IRS.

nypost.com

Biden sent $2 billion to Stacey Abrams-linked group in green energy 'scheme,' EPA says

The Environmental Protection Agency found that the Biden administration gave $2 billion to a climate group linked to Stacey Abrams.

www.foxnews.com

Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants | US EPA

EPA News Release: Administrator Zeldin Terminates Biden-Harris $20B 'Gold Bar' Grants

www.epa.gov

The $42 billion internet program that has connected 0 people

The federal BEAD program makes little sense with the rate of private markets providing internet access.

www.washingtonpolicy.org

DOGE: Department of Government Efficiency

DOGE: Department of Government Efficiency

doge.gov

No one cares, dude.

This is a gnat's fart on an elephant compared to all of Trump's crimes and corruption....and 99% of it isn't even true. That's the most hilarious part.

Trump is nothing if not stubborn. He thinks he has the winning hand and no one is going to bluff him out.
There is nothing wrong with reciprocal tariffs. Countries got used to the gravy train. Reality bites.

Trump is nothing if not mentally ill and imbecile with a 5th grade education.

Has Trump ever even trired to explain in detail how these tariffs are actually going to help the country? No, he has not. Hope is not a strategy, dumb ass.

Is manufacturing going to come back to this country? Are American workers going to start making socks and shirts and toys again? Even if Trump is miraculously correct about his tariffs, it will take years to implement a new U.S. manufacturing-based economy. And millions of Americans are going to suffer and lose their jobs between now and that future date.

It's over for Trump and it's over for the Republican Party if Trump continues with these tariffs.

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

That is a lie he did not have job growth

I did not vote for him or your seile savior.

You are a liar anyways

No, MAGA lightweight....it is not a lie. Do better.

From Forbes magazine, definitely not a huge supporter of the Democratic Party. --

When the story of Joe Biden’s four-year job market is all said and done, and written into the history books, it will be told with many superlatives. So much so, that skeptics will doubt (and possibly attempt to revise) the story. That’s because it’s almost too good to be true, certainly one we’ve never seen before. Frankly, Joe Biden built and sustained the strongest, healthiest, most resilient job market in American history.

So Joe Biden saw it through to the end. He finished the race: 48 consecutive months with strong job creation and sustained low unemployment, more people working than ever before. He set all kinds of records which should do two things: (1) Validate, even for the most skeptical observer, that this was nothing less than remarkable, and (2) Hand over to the incoming president … the greatest job market in history. What Mr. Trump does with it will soon be clear to see against such a stark background.

Joe Biden’s Last Jobs Report: A Grand Finale To A Great Show

Joe Biden built and sustained the strongest, healthiest, most resilient job market in American history.

www.forbes.com

 

[kyzr]

No one cares, dude. This is a gnat's fart on an elephant compared to all of Trump's crimes and corruption....and 99% of it isn't even true. That's the most hilarious part.

Democrat slush funds of $500b is more than a gnat's fart. We'll see how it plays out, if Congress just claws it back via Rescissions, or if Bondi goes after the corrupt dems via indictments. Trump's "crimes" are corrupt democrat Lawfare bullshit soon to be overturned. All my links are true, your typing is false.

Trump is nothing if not mentally ill and imbecile with a 5th grade education. Has Trump ever even tried to explain in detail how these tariffs are actually going to help the country? No, he has not. Hope is not a strategy, dumb ass.

Yes Trump explained the tariffs in detail, its not that complicated, "reciprocal tariffs" mean whatever tariffs they put on US products the US imposes equal tariffs on their stuff. Ideally they get the hint and lower tariffs getting Free-Trade.

Is manufacturing going to come back to this country? Are American workers going to start making socks and shirts and toys again? Even if Trump is miraculously correct about his tariffs, it will take years to implement a new U.S. manufacturing-based economy. And millions of Americans are going to suffer and lose their jobs between now and that future date.
It's over for Trump and it's over for the Republican Party if Trump continues with these tariffs.

Yes some manufacturing will come back to the US, for example, the UAW is 100% behind Trump. I agree that some products will not come back. Socks made with $2/hr labor will always beat socks made with $60/hr labor, unless robotics or automation is used.
Exactly right, even if Trump is correct it will take many years and many $Trillions of corporate investment to design, permit, build, and run new US factories, with all new supply chains. It will NOT be easy. However, it is essential that the US become self-reliant again instead of dependent on competitors. If Trump fails, and the economy goes into a bad recession as Ted Cruz says, the mid-terms will be a "blood-bath".

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

The thread is about Ron Paul, not Rand Paul

No it's not, you idiot. It's about Rand Paul.

Read the freaking OP. The title is incorrect, it's about Rand Paul.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Sen. Rand Paul warns Republicans that tariffs have brought down the party before

‘We are richer because of trade with Canada and so is Canada,’ Sen. Paul said

www.independent.co.uk

Republican Senator Rand Paul has warned his party that tariffs have “decimated politics” after he voted against President Donald Trump’s duties on Canadian imports yesterday.

Sen. Paul of Kentucky told Fox News that tariffs have historically brought down his party.

“When McKinley put tariffs on in 1890, they lost 50 percent of their seats… When Smoot-Hawley put their tariffs In the early 1930s, we lost the House and Senate for 60 years,” Sen. Paul said.

For once I agree with Paul. But trump thinks he is so smart, his trade war will not cause his party to lose congress. Poor dumb Donnie. But if Paul is correct....GO FOR IT DONNIE!

 

[BluesLegend]

Ron Paul worried trump tariffs will return 1930's decimation to GOP​

Do nothing, accomplish nothing, no alternative gas bag senator Ron needs to shut his stupid pie hole. How long has he been in the Senate? For 40 years now we have been getting bent over by these other asshole countries, costing us jobs and entire industries. So Ron put up or shut up brother, so far you have not impressed me.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, MAGA lightweight....it is not a lie. Do better.

From Forbes magazine, definitely not a huge supporter of the Democratic Party. --

When the story of Joe Biden’s four-year job market is all said and done, and written into the history books, it will be told with many superlatives. So much so, that skeptics will doubt (and possibly attempt to revise) the story. That’s because it’s almost too good to be true, certainly one we’ve never seen before. Frankly, Joe Biden built and sustained the strongest, healthiest, most resilient job market in American history.

So Joe Biden saw it through to the end. He finished the race: 48 consecutive months with strong job creation and sustained low unemployment, more people working than ever before. He set all kinds of records which should do two things: (1) Validate, even for the most skeptical observer, that this was nothing less than remarkable, and (2) Hand over to the incoming president … the greatest job market in history. What Mr. Trump does with it will soon be clear to see against such a stark background.

Joe Biden’s Last Jobs Report: A Grand Finale To A Great Show

Joe Biden built and sustained the strongest, healthiest, most resilient job market in American history.

www.forbes.com

Everyone knows those jobs would have come back after the shut downs ended,
even if a useless, senile, clueless, child groper was president.

Oh, wait..........LOL!

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Everyone knows those jobs would have come back after the shut downs ended,
even if a useless, senile, clueless, child groper was president.

Oh, wait..........LOL!

If Trump had won re-election in 2020, the economy would still be a total trainwreck from Covid. Trump doesn't know his thumb from his dick. He is about to turn the the entire U.S. into one of his failed Atlantic City casinos.

But you were fucking stupid enough to vote for this.....total economic destruction, courtesy of Trump.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If Trump had won re-election in 2020, the economy would still be a total trainwreck from Covid. Trump doesn't know his thumb from his dick. He is about to turn the the entire U.S. into one of his failed Atlantic City casinos.

But you were fucking stupid enough to vote for this.....total economic destruction, courtesy of Trump.

Yeah, where would we be without the trillions wasted by the Green Energy Boondoggle...err...I mean the Inflation Reduction Act?

And those millions of illegal aliens Biden let in? Brilliant!

Thanks for the measles outbreaks here in Chicago last year. Awesome!

DURR

 

[Dr. Phosphorous]

Democrat slush funds of $500b is more than a gnat's fart. We'll see how it plays out, if Congress just claws it back via Rescissions, or if Bondi goes after the corrupt dems via indictments. Trump's "crimes" are corrupt democrat Lawfare bullshit soon to be overturned. All my links are true, your typing is false.

Yes Trump explained the tariffs in detail, its not that complicated, "reciprocal tariffs" mean whatever tariffs they put on US products the US imposes equal tariffs on their stuff. Ideally they get the hint and lower tariffs getting Free-Trade.

Yes some manufacturing will come back to the US, for example, the UAW is 100% behind Trump. I agree that some products will not come back. Socks made with $2/hr labor will always beat socks made with $60/hr labor, unless robotics or automation is used.
Exactly right, even if Trump is correct it will take many years and many $Trillions of corporate investment to design, permit, build, and run new US factories, with all new supply chains. It will NOT be easy.

You don't get it and you never will. Even if Trump is correct by some miracle, it will take years to rebuild the U.S. back into a manufacturing economy.....and millions of Americans are going to suffer during that transition. U.S. car companies are already laying off workers, do to the tariffs and their nasty effect on car prices.

Americans are not going to tolerate this painful transition for the next years on the slim, miraculous chance that Trump is correct. You are smoking crack.

However, it is essential that the US become self-reliant again instead of dependent on competitors. If Trump fails, and the economy goes into a bad recession as Ted Cruz says, the mid-terms will be a "blood-bath".

It's not essential...that's what your dumb ass simply doesn't get. The U.S. is already the wealthiest country in the world.

Trump is trying to fix an imaginary problem....and MAGA imbeciles like you are going to follow him off the cliff.